Ubuntu Linux Claims 12 Million Users and Rising

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[citation][nom]ScoobyJooby-Jew[/nom]linux is awesome, but doesnt like to play with my 5750[/citation]
I said the same about my 4850 when I got it almost two years ago. The excellent drivers are the ones through the ATI/AMD website. The ones within the repositories/Synaptic just are not the ones that should be used for full potential of any ATI graphics card.

About the only class of people I find that do not fit into the Linux crowd are the ones that are avid PC gamers (thanks MS for the DirectX monopoly) and those die-hard ipod junkies (which need that crap iTunes software). Just about everyone else is fully covered for their needs within the Linux community. I even have versions running well on older hardware that wouldn't stand a chance on Windows XP and up (which I appreciate very much). Competition is good and I commend Ubuntu not just for providing it, but doing so with a good product that evolves more and more for the better as time passes. Keep up the good work fellas!
 
[citation][nom]mindless728[/nom]i prefer to use Arch for my install, just a little more customization than ubuntu[/citation]
Isn't that like saying the Three Gorges project is just a little dam? 😉
 
They really batted it right out of the park with 10.04. I've already installed the beta on both of my PCs, my wife's PC, and my bosses personal PC...
 
[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]I like the look of 10.04, but moving the three window buttons to the left wasn't a good idea.[/citation]
They did that, more like OS X now. I've been using Ubuntu as my main OS since 8.04 and have not looked back. No dual boot, just let Ubuntu wipe Windows.
 


no, that would be if i said LFS (Linux From Scratch) had a little more customization

Arch is a little IMO, since it only takes me about 1/2 hour to setup with X11 and XFCE (KDE takes a while to download), then again i have done it quite a few times now
 
[citation][nom]shuffman37[/nom]Well, tell ATI/AMD to get off their a$$ and make a better driver for us Linux users. I've been running my 7600gs Nvidia for 3 years with compiz no problem. I do understand that ATI needs better Linux drivers because of all of the complaints I find online due to them not doing a good job on certain setups.[/citation]

You're going to compare support for a... How many years old is that graphics card exactly? Compared to that for one that's less than 6 months old?

I like the idea of Linux, just... Not so hot on the actual application of it.
 
im an ubuntu user since 8.4 and did the biggest mistake of upgrading it to 9.10. hopes the 10.4 not an epic fail like the 9.10....

btw is 10.4 an lts??
 
im an ubuntu user since 8.4 and did the biggest mistake of upgrading it to 9.10. hopes the 10.4 not an epic fail like the 9.10....

btw is 10.4 an lts??

yes it is, and the beta runs ok minus the network manager not like my wireless connections (scanning and adding, i have to do it manually), though i usually manage it myself in the terminal
 
[citation][nom]machvelocy[/nom] hopes the 10.4 not an epic fail like the 9.10....btw is 10.4 an lts??[/citation]
Yes. It is LTS. Also you can try the 'testdrive' from Launchpad.net. It allows you to run the daily build of 10.04 in virtual PC.
 

Most modern OSs can run almost any hardware. It simply requires working drivers. Try running an old scanner on Windows when you can't find drivers for it. Is that a flaw in the OS? No, because the OS is capable of running the scanner perfectly well, it simply needs the driver to communicate with it.

As for the 10.04 beta, I find it reasonably good. There's alot of bugs in it at the moment (Gwibber repeatedly crashed with 3 different errors on startup last night) but they are fixing them every day. So far everything I've found not to work has been fixed within 24 hours.
 
I bought a mans desktop with 8x500GB, a $250 raid card and $200 case etec., and he set up a full proper debian setup prepared just for my to use it as my home server, and it only took me 24 hours to have Win7 running on it... ha.

I'm happy to see that Ubuntu is growing however.
 
ha ha ha, 12 million compared to who knows how many billion windows users, lol. unless they start to develop more software and games for Linux, it will never be used as a primary system
 


I'm going to assume by "primary system" you mean "mainstream."

1) Linux will never be mainstream because it's not Windows. Most people looking at Linux either think "it's for geeks" or go into it expecting a free copy of Windows without pirating. This is as stupid as buying OSX and expecting a pretty copy of Windows. They are different, and therefore you need to do things differently.

2) Most people do not play games that require Windows. PC gaming is [strike]dying[/strike] changing, and Flash games are the new craze. Flash on Linux is still lagging a bit, but Adobe are the only ones that can correct this until HTML5 takes over.

3) A large number of people do not play games. Yea, really. Some people actually use computers for work.

4) There is arguably more (or at least an equal amount of) software for Linux than Windows. It's mostly small apps with a specific purpose though. Want to record your desktop? You could pay for FRAPS on Windows or you could download gtk-recordmydesktop and get an application that will do your entire desktop or only a certain part of it... completely free. It won't record your games or take screenshots though. What Linux lacks is software with decent names. Fortunately Ubuntu's Software Center is useful for finding software by description and not just its actual name (the latter is in many cases is difficult to do due to obscure names). The quicker things are named properly instead of gSomething and kWhatever the better. It's find to keep th executables named this (quicker to type in Terminal), but branding should be something recognisable.
 
RND, just browse over to freshmeat... there you can find the latest, without being bound to some specific distro.
[citation][nom]nebun[/nom]ha ha ha, 12 million compared to who knows how many billion windows users, lol. unless they start to develop more software and games for Linux, it will never be used as a primary system[/citation]
Proud to be a member of the wintarded micro$uxx fankiddie herd?
 
I wish I could run Linux as my primary, but I spend a lot of my time gaming. Once they make gaming seamless and my software runs without configuration issues right out of the box, or off steam, I'll toss Win7 to the recycle bin.
 
The only a few problems linux have to address so I can switch to it.

1-I don't like to open a terminal window to install java applet into the browser.
I don't want to open terminal windows at all.

2-It's auto updating is pretty bugged, and required me to open terminal.

3-It can't run games.
 
They neeeeeeed to port Photoshop to Linux. GIMP doesn't have line smoothing and when you draw fast strokes... it get's choppy. The only program I witnessed have line smoothing on Linux was Inkscape, so at least I know it's possible. GIMP's tool interface needs a damn overhaul. It's so damn clunky! I hate it! Photoshop till death!!!
 
The only a few problems linux have to address so I can switch to it.

1-I don't like to open a terminal window to install java applet into the browser.
I don't want to open terminal windows at all.

2-It's auto updating is pretty bugged, and required me to open terminal.

3-It can't run games.
So in other words, because you are unable to think outside the your Windows "power user" box, you want it to be like Windows. Well if it was just like Windows, what would be the point of it? If Linux is not for you, don't use it. It is not the best operating system for everyone, and people who do not like Terminal because they prefer clicking through innumerable GUI windows generally won't like any distro other than Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS. Most (but not all) distros are not designed for computer illiterates or Windows-only literates. They were designed for people who want to learn a new way of doing things and enjoy tinkering. Linux is not a toy car pre-made and unchangeable like Windows. It's LEGO. Do what you want with it, because no other OS will let you.

If you want the pre-built toy car, stick with Windows. You'll be happier.
 
[citation][nom]ronch79[/nom]... Oh, and please, don't make me download a 700MB file and burn it to CD and then ask me to download another 200MB when I run Update Manager. Also, please include all the codecs and just put the video drivers on CD so we wouldn't have to download that too.[/citation]
I think I can help here a bit. If you don't want to deal with CD you can create LiveUSB that boots multiple OSes including BartPE.
Here is good tutorial how to do it using GUI.
How To Create A MultiBoot LiveUSB Using A GUI
The problem with the codecs is result of stupid legal restrictions. Canonical can't include them by default. If you want you can try Mint Linux. It is binary compatible with Ubuntu, but takes care about the codecs. It is easier for new comers to Linux. I hope it works for you.
 
@randomizer

Yup, linux is not for me for the reasons I stated, and I don't use it indeed, I'm much happier with windows and it's innumerable GUIs where I actually get to do the tasks I have to do in minutes without the need to read a forum teaching dozens of non intuitive commands.

Funny how linux users love to think they're superior to other users. Just cause I prefer windows it doesn't make me computer illiterate, just makes me want to make a better use of my time instead of learning/typing crazy commands on the terminal. My above post is another proof of it, it had -2 points because you linux lovers are so desperate to feel superior, and the post doesn't even lie, it's a fact that linux lacks GUIs for a lot of tasks and doesn't run AAA games.

About how customizable linux is and windows isn't, really I don't have the time or even the need to customize an OS, I couldn't care less for the OS, what I need is that it works, that it gives me fast access to options that suit my needs, that it auto-updates in a safe and quiet way (even though windows sometimes fail here and asks for reboot, it's still better than linux where I had to google for a solution on a auto update error that caused a lot of things to stop working, it was ubuntu btw), (back on track)the OS doesn't matter, it's the other software that I use that I care and it doesn't make a difference if I run it in windows or linux, I just want it to work.

The day people responsible for developing linux learn what users want linux will become more popular but they're so afraid of copying windows in what windows did successfully that this day might never come, just create GUIs for the large number of tasks and name them apropriately so that new users don't have to figure out gimp is a pic viewer, kate is a text editor and so forth (yes I know windows doesn't have perfect software names too, but compare the control panel for windows to the one on linux and see the difference.)

Take this post as constructive criticism, if you hate the words here, it's because you don't want or don't care if linux is popular, and don't criticize windows users for their choice of ease to use and simplicity, if linux was at least intuitive to use it would be much better.

Your toy comparison is interesting, how linux is like lego and windows is a ready toy car, but I think it's not correct, the real comparison is saying that linux users have to buy a car (a real one) and be a motor engineer to make the engine work, while anyone else can drive windows and keep their daily jobs, you know, cause there are a lot of professions out there that don't require people to be computer "experts".
 
"The number is significantly higher than 2008's numbers, jumping up 4 million over the last two years."

That's not surprising considering how "awesome" vista was.
 
@randomizer

Yup, linux is not for me for the reasons I stated, and I don't use it indeed, I'm much happier with windows and it's innumerable GUIs where I actually get to do the tasks I have to do in minutes without the need to read a forum teaching dozens of non intuitive commands.
It depends how you define "intuitive." If I am a system administrator and I'm wanting to perform a range of administrative tasks, such as altering file permissions, I do not want to be typing "changefilepermissions -arguments filename" every time. "chmod" (change mode) is alot quicker. If you look at the Windows alternative "Icacls" you could argue that it is not intuitive either. Do you know what it means without Googling it? Of course you could simply go into the file's properties via Explorer and change the file permissions, but that's going to take you a long time if you want to do the same for 300 files and directories. Calling a GUI intuitive and a command line not intuitive depends on what you're familiar with primarily, and secondary to that what you plan to do. User-friendliness and intuitiveness are terms used incorrectly. What is intuitive for you may not be intuitive for me. Familiarity is not intuitiveness but most people consider them the same thing subconsciously. If something is different to what I am used to that doesn't make it unintuitive, it makes it different.

Familiarity is one reason why computer illiterates may actually find Linux easier to use than Windows "power users." They don't have an old way of doing thing that they keep trying but failing at. It's arguably just as difficult to learn Windows as it is Linux. Neither OS is without its issues, but both do some things similarly and some things differently.

Funny how linux users love to think they're superior to other users. Just cause I prefer windows it doesn't make me computer illiterate, just makes me want to make a better use of my time instead of learning/typing crazy commands on the terminal. My above post is another proof of it, it had -2 points because you linux lovers are so desperate to feel superior, and the post doesn't even lie, it's a fact that linux lacks GUIs for a lot of tasks and doesn't run AAA games.

FWIW, I'm a Windows user, not a Linux user (although I dabble in it, but not much). However I am not a closed-minded Windows user and I understand the benefits of each. If you think you are making better use of your time by potentially doing something inefficient then by all means continue to think that. There is always a learning curve when doing something different, and therefore a period of "downtime," but that's why you need to weigh up the benefits of learning a new way of doing things against doing things the same way. Your productivity may be higher when you grasp new concepts, but it may not. There is no one size fits all.

About how customizable linux is and windows isn't, really I don't have the time or even the need to customize an OS, I couldn't care less for the OS, what I need is that it works, that it gives me fast access to options that suit my needs

Then Linux is probably not for you as you've already said. There's no point using it for the sake of using it or hoping for a "better Windows." There are a couple of distros where customisation is not so necessary (Linux Mint, Ubuntu to name some and PCLinuxOS lets you customise most superficial things via the GUI), while others are built specifically so that they are customisable for the people that want this (Gentoo, Arch etc).

...that it auto-updates in a safe and quiet way (even though windows sometimes fail here and asks for reboot, it's still better than linux where I had to google for a solution on a auto update error that caused a lot of things to stop working, it was ubuntu btw), (back on track)the OS doesn't matter, it's the other software that I use that I care and it doesn't make a difference if I run it in windows or linux, I just want it to work.

Of course you had of Google the error. You've probably never seen it before. The first time I see Windows Update error 80070002 I'd need to Google it as well (a real error, not that I've seen it, but if I did the first thing I'd do would be to hit up Google). Think of someone who has never used Windows before. Will they know what this error means without using Google? Then you've got updates which can completely break your installation, which is an issue on any operating system where the hardware varies alot (so less likely to happen on OSX 😉).

The day people responsible for developing linux learn what users want

They already have. Linux is the most used operating system on web servers and supercomputers, as well as mobile phones, DVD players and netbooks. Or aren't these users? "Users" is a broad term and you're using it too generally. There are different distributions for different purposes. There is only one Windows and therefore its usefulness is limited to the average joe. But the average joe is not all users.

linux will become more popular but they're so afraid of copying windows in what windows did successfully that this day might never come, just create GUIs for the large number of tasks and name them apropriately so that new users don't have to figure out gimp is a pic viewer, kate is a text editor and so forth (yes I know windows doesn't have perfect software names too, but compare the control panel for windows to the one on linux and see the difference.)

I've already criticised the naming of software, but the "people responsible for developing Linux" (which if we incorrectly generalise to include kernel developers as well as distribution maintainers) do not have jurisdiction over what some guy does in his spare time. Personally I don't think "Firefox," while at least a catchy name, rings a bell as meaning "web browser" but it's still doing well.

Take this post as constructive criticism, if you hate the words here, it's because you don't want or don't care if linux is popular, and don't criticize windows users for their choice of ease to use and simplicity, if linux was at least intuitive to use it would be much better.

I have no reason to hate what you're saying. You are at least formulating an argument rather than simply saying "linux sucks because I can't do it!" :cry: However, I still need to point out that you're simplifying the issue far too much so that it only represents you and not everyone and therefore your argument is flawed (as is mine most likely, but that's what debate is for is it not?).

Your toy comparison is interesting, how linux is like lego and windows is a ready toy car, but I think it's not correct, the real comparison is saying that linux users have to buy a car (a real one) and be a motor engineer to make the engine work, while anyone else can drive windows and keep their daily jobs, you know, cause there are a lot of professions out there that don't require people to be computer "experts".

Well your analogy may work for something like Linux From Scratch or Gentoo, and maybe Arch (I'd say "motoring enthusiast" would be good enough for that) but those distributions aren't even close to simplified ones like Mint and Ubuntu. Once again you can't generalise too much because one of the primary differences between Windows and Linux is choice, something you don't get on Windows. As I said before, there is only one Windows. You can argue XP vs Vista/Win 7 but as far as the user is concerned (excluding application developers) the differences do not go much deeper than the GUI and the number of drivers that come out-of-the-box. The OSs are philosophically the same and are built for the same purposes.

Now look what you've done. I've spent half my day typing on a forum 😀
 
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