Ultimate 3D Gaming Solution for AMD Users !! (With 3D Vision Monitors!!)

[PDub]

It's not compete bs. I got a dx9 game working with iz3d and its shutter option.

Every time I use tridef it said I didn't have hd3d graphics. Someone else suggested to use a display port adapter with dvi. I think tridef looks for hd3d hardware even when choosing direct3d stereo.

I haven't tried older tridef versions that didn't have hd3d support, though.

 

[GObonzo]

After a few days of researching 3D with Radeon HD3D I really haven't found a whole lot of info. It seems there's a few people(like 3-4) on the hundred or so sites I've looked at who claim to get decent quality 3D on some games using 3DVision monitors with their AMD cards but nothing easy or persistent. So, as far as it goes I would recommend to all to just avoid the mix-matched Nvidia\AMD hardware and software idea.
I have found some pretty good deals on 3D monitors that either AMD's or TriDef's sites recommend as supported hardware though and just figure that's my\our best bet.

nice AOCs
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008UHINRC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A326PXAHLXBCDN
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DULAWBS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A326PXAHLXBCDN
& a nice LG
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009P10UBO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A261JEZXVVD8S

*now if any of them were 120+hz and under 5ms response it would really be nice.

terrible shipping times for the AOC, 1-3 WEEKS! I think this is the 1st time Newegg had nothing to offer for my situation. kind of a disappointment, I'd rather deal with them for RMA than Amazon if needed.
guess i should mention I was looking for something over 24" and under $400. there's plenty of other options outside of that size and price range if you're also shopping for Radeon able 3D displays.

 

[ChaosAnimeX]

I haven't bought the kit and don't plan to anytime soon, but I tried out IZ3D (company no longer exists) and it seemed to work(although I cannot test, but I see the double image)unlike Tridef which they don't seem to care to fix. Tridef has more fixes for particular games but they need to get their program working with all 3D monitors if they want to really sell the product....
Maybe in the future when I upgrade my GFX card I'll just switch over to Nvidia to make the problem easy to fix, although I bought my monitor(ASUS VG248QE)expecting it to work somehow...

 

[GObonzo]

a nice LG
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009P10UBO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A261JEZXVVD8S[/quotemsg]

this LG D2743 works perfect with TriDef for the 20+ games I've tried and any good video player for 3D movies. am glad I finally made the switch, 3D is definitely a "no turning back" option. I could never go on with 2D gaming or movies from here...

 

[dog1965]

Hello people! Today I am here to bring an amazing solution to a problem many AMD Video card users face. As everyone with an AMD video card will know, there are very limited options for 3D gaming or entertainment. Everyone who dreamed of 3D gaming with an AMD card will have surely met with disappointment seeing how NVIDIA's dominance in 3D gaming has left us AMD gamers with no quality options.

The current status:-

Currently, if you own an AMD card and wish to play games in 3D you have the following options:
1. Hooking up a 3d TV via hdmi and using AMD HD3D using a 3rd party software like Tridef.
2. Using AMD HD3d certified monitors like Samsung 950D, etc
3. Using Nvidia 3D Vision certified monitors which support HDMI 3D (like Acer HN274H) and have built in 3d emitters.

Of the above only option 2 offers the best experience as you are not limited to HDMI restrictions of 720p@60 or 1080p@24. However the problem is its almost impossible to find an HD3D certified monitor unlike 3D Vision monitors. The only HD3D monitor currently available are the Samsung monitors 750D and 950D. However they are expensive and their quality is not what you would call the best. Moreover, they are no longer supported by Samsung.

My Solution

About a week back I had myself asked a question on this forum on how I could get 3D working on an Nvidia monitor with an AMD card. However, I like I had feared, there was no solution.

However I was determined to find a solution as I knew it was not impossible and believed that we required no special monitors for 3D gaming. So now after about a week from my first question on this forum, I have finally got 3D working on AMD card with a 3D Vision monitor which totally blows away normal AMD HD3D methods and equals if not surpass Nvidia's 3D Vision technology!

Since I myself didn't have a capable PC and parts, I sought help from my friend. So all the testing has been done on my friend's rig.

Here is what you need:

1. Any 120Hz+ monitor in the world whether it be Nvidia 3D Vision enabled or not. I used the Asus VG248QE monitor
2. Any AMD video card capable of stereo 3D. I used a dual AMD 7970 Crossfire config.
3. 1 pair of Xpand Youniversal glasses (Optional. For the best experience)
4. A DVI sync stripper with emitter kit
5. Tridef 3D Software

Procedure:

1. First of all, for the best experience, you will need to the Xpand Youniversal 3D glasses. Here is a link to their site: http://www.xpand.me/products/youniversal-3d-glasses/
You may find them cheap on Amazon or ebay or buy directly from them. Its just $99 a pair. It's available in various sizes too.

2. Then you will need to buy a a 3D emitter kit. You guys must have heard of 3DTV Corp. They have been selling a lot of the 3D products for 3D TV's and stuff. They have a special PC emitter kit which comes with a pair of 3D glasses (hence why step 1 is optional), a DVI sync stripper with an IR emitter and some cables. Their website will definitely look very non professional and shady but they are the real deal. They have excellent support and you get immediate responses. Or you could buy their product from ebay too (However much more expensive by about $85).
Here is their website: http://www.3dmagic.com/
Here is their product page: http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/pcirk.htm
Alternative ebay link(with 2 pairs of glasses): http://www.ebay.com/itm/160868149343?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D160868149343%26_rdc%3D1

If you do not want the glasses in the kit, you can contact 3DTV Corp via email available on their website.

3. Once you have the emitter kit, connect the sync stripper between your PC and your monitor using a Dual Link DVI cable. You will need to use one dual link cable to connect the PC to the sync stripper and another one to connect the stripper to the monitor. You get one dual link cable with the kit.
Instruction manual : http://www.3dmagic.com/pdf/DSS%20Manual%20%204-24-11%20Final.pdf

4. Connect the mini USB cable coming from the sync stripper to the IR emitter in the kit. You don't need to connect a separate power cable to the emitter's optional power input.

5. Set your desktop resolution to the one you want and the refresh rate to 120Hz or more.

6. You will need to buy the Tridef software. If you have an AMD card, you get a 50% discount. So the final price is $25. Here is the link to get the discounted product: http://www.tridef.com/cart/pages.php?pageid=5

7. Install Tridef 3D. After installation, a display setup control panel will be launched. In the Monitor type, select Standard display types. In the monitor model option, select Direct 3D Stereo 120 Hz.

8. Pres the on/off button on the emitter. The sync signal LED should glow green.

9. Place the emitter on top of your monitor or somewhere where your glasses will get unobstructed signal from the emitter. If there is anything blocking the line of sight b/w the 3D glasses and emitter, the glasses will lose sync. This is true of even 3D Vision technology due to the limitation of IR waves.

10. Now if you have bought the Xpand glasses, download and install Xpand's PC application here: http://www.xpand.me/products/youniversal-3d-glasses/youniversal-pc-application/
Connect your Xpand glasses to the PC (read its manual) and upgrade your firmware with the PC application. What's really cool about this PC application is that it allows you to fine tune the glasses shutter timings and delays to give the best 3D experience you can get by eliminating ghosting. More on that later.

11. Activate your 3D glasses by bringing them close to the emitter and switch them on and then wear them. (the Xpand glasses or the glasses that come with the kit) The Xpand glasses will automatically detect the right IR protocol.

12. Launch Tridef ignition from the PC and search for installed games and apply appropriate Tridef profile if available and start the game and turn on 3D in game using Tridef keyboard shortcut. Kindly search online for Tridef tutorials.

13. Finally! You have it! Enjoy mind blowing 3D!

14. Read on for more tweaking and Nvidia Lightboost on an AMD card!!!


Troubleshooting:

1. If you see weird 3D effects: The left and right images may be swapped. Press the L/R button on the emitter to swap left and right shuttering of the glasses.

2. If you see ghosting: If you have Xpand glasses, you are in luck. You can use the PC application once the glasses are connected to the PC to adjust the opening and closing delays. Just slide the bars up and down to increase and decrease delay respectively. However this is a trial and error method but once you find the sweet spot, you will love it.
Note: If you increase opening delay, but do not increase the closing delay by the same amount, the brightness of the image may decrease. However you may get an image with less ghosting.

3. If brightness is too low: Increase your Monitor brightness to the Max.


Nvidia Lightboost on 3D Vision ready monitors with AMD card!!!

If you have heard about lightboost, you will know it was Nvidia's answer to solve dark 3D images. However you require lightboost compatible 3D Vision monitors and an Nvidia card (until now).

There have been many hacks to enable lightboost even in 2D mode for CRT like smoothness in picture quality. However they still needed an Nvidia card.

However a user from hardforums found a way to get Lightboost working even on Radeons ! But you will need to use the monitor with an Nvidia card once for a one time activation of the lightboost feature. Here is the link to the hack: http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1039680623&postcount=884
You can then use lightboost with an AMD card for both 3D and 2D gaming. The result is amazing with brighter 3D gaming and unbelievably smooth 2D gaming.

Note: You will need a Lightboost supported monitor for the Lightboost hack


My feedback:
I am totally mind blown! I can't believe that I had an experience at least as good as Nvidia 3D vision if not better. If Nvidia didn't go about with its monopolistic influence in the 3D monitor market, we AMD users would not have to settle for cheaper options. However now with this method you do not have to make any compromises other than the initial setup and a slightly higher cost compared to Nvidia's solution.

If anyone is looking for a 3D monitor, I would definitely suggest the 24 inch Asus VG248QE. It supports refresh rates up to 144Hz and also supports Nvidia Lightboost. And it's incredibly cheap too! It's just $269.99 on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313


I would like to hear feedback from you guys if you have tried my method. I am sure at someone will definitely find this useful. And sorry for the really long post 😀

 

[dog1965]

Did everything you said it DOES NOT WORK NO 3D FOR ME HERE IS WHAT I AM USING.

The 3D IR KIT You mentioned in your post with the glasses that came with the kit.

MONITOR: BENQ XL2420TE - using DUAL DVI INPUT CABLES.

VIDEO CARD: HD7950 - CROSSFIRE MODE

dropped CROSSFIRE STILL DOES NOT WORK!!!!

windows 8.1 rtm x64 version

did everything step by step in detail in your post and STILL NO 3D!!

 

[serys]

Hi,
The solution that you said don't works. I purchased exactly the same monitors, the 3DTV emmiter kit, the Youniversal glasses and TriDef with all installed programs and it don't works. The TriDef program say your graphic material is not compatible with HD3D amd. I have two R9 290X in CrossfireX and I plugged my monitors to have 120 Hz. I spend money to have a 3D setting and your solution don't works...
People has anything else to suggest to make that it works?

 

[PDub]

Hi,
The solution that you said don't works. I purchased exactly the same monitors, the 3DTV emmiter kit, the Youniversal glasses and TriDef with all installed programs and it don't works. The TriDef program say your graphic material is not compatible with HD3D amd. I have two R9 290X in CrossfireX and I plugged my monitors to have 120 Hz. I spend money to have a 3D setting and your solution don't works...
People has anything else to suggest to make that it works?

It only seems to work in DX9 games for me with Iz3d which is no longer updated.

There was a theory that using the displayport with an active adapter to DVI might work, but I haven't heard of anyone even testing it and I haven't tried it myself. I read that AMD supports HD3D over DVI and has for a while.

The only other thing I can do is watch 3D movies with Sview as it's software page flipping emulation works quite well.

The thread creator disappeared, I'm guessing the solution that seemed to work for him also disappeared. I still wonder if using an older version of Tridef or AMD drivers can trick an Nvidia 3D vision monitor into using frame sequential mode.

Somewhere between AMD drivers, Tridef, and DirectX11, DirectStereo3D relies on enabling AMD HD3D instead of generic shutter, which is what we need to do to get this method to work.

I can say this is going to be laid to rest and is not worth the current effort, as new monitors are showing up with 120hz on IPS and MVA panels, as well as the new HDMI spec will eventually make it's way to TV's and monitors, allowing for 120hz over HDMI at HD resolutions.

Give me a 120hz passive 3D monitor, and I'll be good.

 

[serys]

Thank you PDub for the answer.
I have an active adapter Displayport to DVI Dual Link but it don't works. It could be nice if someone can find a method to play new games in 3D with this method. For what all companies don't make universal 3D settings that fits with anything? Spend money for nothing is always fun...

 

[bystander]

The real truth is if you want 1080p active stereoscopic 3D, just get an Nvidia card and go 3D Vision. It'll save you a lot of headache, and you can get a lot of fixes with the Helix mod community. http://helixmod.blogspot.com/2013/07/game-list-full.html

 

[serys]

Yes, I should change my GPUs for Nvidia but, I'll stay with AMD. Maybe someone will find a solution.

 

[FoolishBalloon]

What kind of 3D glasses are required? As far as I know, XPAND doesn't ship to Sweden where I live, will any active shutter ones work?

 

[bystander]

There are lots of different 3D hardware which have different requirements. Start your own thread and list your system and monitor/tv.

 

[FoolishBalloon]

There are lots of different 3D hardware which have different requirements. Start your own thread and list your system and monitor/tv.

Yeah, but I mean for this guide, where there are so many different factors that may determine the end result

 

[bystander]

There are lots of different 3D hardware which have different requirements. Start your own thread and list your system and monitor/tv.

Yeah, but I mean for this guide, where there are so many different factors that may determine the end result

Well, apparently, based on all the more recent feedback, this solution no longer works. Maybe there are solutions, but we don't know them.

 

[Amonda]

Hi I am really keen to try and get this set up for my boyfriends Bday however I cant find the emitter kits 3DTVcorp don't appear to stock this anymore and I'm not sure what I'm really looking for. can you PLEASE HELP.
Thanks in advance

 

[bystander]

Hi I am really keen to try and get this set up for my boyfriends Bday however I cant find the emitter kits 3DTVcorp don't appear to stock this anymore and I'm not sure what I'm really looking for. can you PLEASE HELP.
Thanks in advance

First list his graphics card and monitor. 3D is very hardware dependent.

 

[Amonda]

Hi the GPU is an ATI R9 280x and looking at getting the Asus VG248QE monitor

 

[bystander]

Ah, that will be difficult. There are no known ways to make that work. The OP seemed to have a solution, only no one can replicate it anymore. At least that is what seems to be the case.

You have two choices that I can think of:
1) Get an Nvidia card, perhaps a 770 or better in order to match the performance of what he has, get the VG248QE monitor and 3D vision 2 kit. This gives him 144hz for 2D, and 3D Vision 2 for 3D. This is obviously the expensive way to go.

2) Look at one of the passive monitors, such as the LG Cinema monitors. These will be 60hz, and in 3D the resolution is lower, text is blurry, but it has less Ghosting issues in 3D. You may or may not need to buy Tridef software to be able to run 3D for games that don't have built in HD3D support (most games).

 

[HoleyHouseOfAir]

There are lots of different 3D hardware which have different requirements. Start your own thread and list your system and monitor/tv.

Yeah, but I mean for this guide, where there are so many different factors that may determine the end result

Well, apparently, based on all the more recent feedback, this solution no longer works. Maybe there are solutions, but we don't know them.

well i think i have solved it, well i cant test because i dont have the full setup yet, what i have done is modified the EDID header in the driver to trick windows into thinking that it can output 3d to the vg248qe,

http://www.mediafire.com/view/d670ameoeoson5e/VG248QE_3D_Override.inf

download this, unplug all extra monitors apart from vg248qe, go to control panel, "device manager", look under "monitors", it will either say generic monitor or vg248, right click on it, "update driver software", "browse my computer for driver software", "let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer", "Have Disk...", browse to downloaded file and click ok, click next and the driver has now been installed,

you can now run tridef and other 3d programs and they will output a 120hz to the monitor, i only have one dual link dvi cable and ive been unable to test the dvi sync splitter i bought, so i set up my 3d projector and used dlp glasses synced off that, i had 3d but with a hell of alot of ghosting, i cant wait till i have enough money to buy a dual link dvi cable to test this out properly 😀

 

[HoleyHouseOfAir]

oh on mediafire link make sure when opened you click the download button at the top right instead of copying and pasting

 

[CXC_Warrior]

Thanks for this thread. Can i use your solution for ASUS ROG Swift PG278Q monitor? This monitor have a displayport 1.2.

 

[HoleyHouseOfAir]

Thanks for this thread. Can i use your solution for ASUS ROG Swift PG278Q monitor? This monitor have a displayport 1.2.

What graphics card do you have? And no don't try it unless you're willing to gamble and have a quad card setup

 

[bystander]

Thanks for this thread. Can i use your solution for ASUS ROG Swift PG278Q monitor? This monitor have a displayport 1.2.

Assuming you have an AMD card, as that is what this thread is about, if you read through the post, after the first few posts, no one has been able to use this technique with any success. I can only assume that the method stopped working.

 

[CXC_Warrior]

Thanks for this thread. Can i use your solution for ASUS ROG Swift PG278Q monitor? This monitor have a displayport 1.2.

What graphics card do you have? And no don't try it unless you're willing to gamble and have a quad card setup

I have a MSI R9 295X2 graphic card