Unimportant ? - ATI or NVidia

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Yeah Longhorn's an issue, but it's about 2 years away so likely time for another generation between now and then, and simply meeting the R9600Pro's performance level in 3D should cover the LongHOARD basics IMO.

I don't think an AIW version is in their future, their RT series is serious stuff, and works well (better than scrimping to fit on one card IMO) as is. It's really only their 3D that's hurting. Something better for MAYA, 3DSMax and the like would be nice though.

with my dad (who works for IBM)

Yeah mine used towork for them too. Image Applications and Product P(l)anning @ TOROLAB. That's why I listed the employee price (BTW that's Canadian). 😎

whenever I would drag a window, I would get horrible drag ghosting (kind of like mouse trails--maybe it was just really bad ghosting, but it was not as bad as Mac's 23-inch prettybox), I wasn't sure what the graphics card was.

Yeah could be a mix of both. I would tend to blame the Graphics Card more than anything. You would experience some ghosting for sure, rememebr that model is built on older TFT technology and likely has a 25+ms time.

And like you say I wouldn't care as much Motion is for CRTs IMO, I would likely use this monitor on my editing rig for Photos. I could probably show nearly a complete 14N .RAW frame on the screen (probably about 85%).

I'd love to have one...too bad IBM US doesn't have it on their employee purchase program site, especially since it's $8400USD at the regular site (not that I could get one at even 7000CDN [which is a relative steal])!!

Yeah I saw it while X-mas shopping (no F'in Deals on the G40 there though, they want more than Retail! Jeez!) I was also looking for a P260 for home (I love the one here at work) and it was still $1000CDN on the 'Friends and Family' (still what I call it) site. Not tempting enough. A Phillips 21" would be about the same for about 1/3 the price.

a P-650 or Parhelia (most likely a Parhelia)

Why not a P750 which would give you most of the features of a Parhelia just a little cheaper, is there something in particular you need that the P750 doesn't have? Just Curious, I'd take the Parhelia over the P-750 too, but only if I didn't have to pay the difference.

I agree about dual monitors though. I prefer LCD for text (usually post from home on my old Thinkpad for that reason) and CRT for motion video, and for gaming.

Anyway, I'm really starting to think about building a second system for productive stuff and leaving this one for gaming (with a better graphics card and only one monitor).

Yeah I find a second system very handy. I can configure it for just what it needs to do. I almost never access the internet on my editing rig (only to register stuff) and leave it as clean as possible for just the task at hand.
Dual monitor is also very handy for editing (tools one window object in other or preview + post).

Hitman 2 (kinda old, I know--but I love it)

Yeah it's good, just too short IMO. I replay the UN Embassador's level over again from time to time, plus the one running in the snow with the towers.


I don't think you will get anything out of them. Unless you are a BIG contradct ALREADY with them they wouldn't tell you squat and even then I doubt they'd say much other, than, 'Yes, we have something very nice coming out on the horizon'. BTW, 'Pitou' is spelt how P2 sounds, so don't be surprised if that's just a leak name.

It's always hard to plop down so much money for card. That's why I'd like to get small business status for my dabblings, and then I could write off a few things.

Ahh, and another work day completed. SchweEet!



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[GeneticWeapon]

Drivers will never help the 8500 to catch up to the Ti4200 performance-wise.

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[dhlucke]

Do I count as 2 people (ie 2 nv fanboys) since I'm a 200 pound dead sexy track guy? Phial can attest to that.

How is it possible that you and Phial are lovers and nobody informed me?

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[pauldh]

"My big question now is still if the current Cat 3.10 has improved anything on 8500 yet?
8500 went to beat GF3 and then onto catch Ti4200 ALL cuz of driver!"

What do you mean? Stability or performance? I still have my Radeon 8500 and Ti4200's. I broke the 8500 out a couple weeks ago and the newer Cat drivers and XP Pro seem to be running the 8500 super stable now. If it's a performance thing and you can think of a specific benchmark(s) I'd be happy to try a few benchmarks sometime fairly soon. I wanted to see if it is 100% stable anyway. What drivers and what tests? But judging by the VGA charts III, the Ti4200 is still clearly ahead with the newest drivers being used. Are the Cat 3.1's faster than the 3.9's? If I find the time I'll run a few tests on BBA 8500 64MB, 8500le 128MB, GF4Ti4200 4X 64MB, GF4 Ti4200 4X 128MB for a comparison. But it does seem a bit of a waste of time; ie I'd expect the Ti4200's to be on top on almost any test.


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[Vapor]

Yeah Longhorn's an issue, but it's about 2 years away so likely time for another generation between now and then, and simply meeting the R9600Pro's performance level in 3D should cover the LongHOARD basics IMO.

Parhelia is pushing 2 years now...I don't expect Pitou to have another generation after that. Longhorn is also supposedly DX10 reliant, so current cards wouldn't get all the effects. Performancewise I agree that only about the power of a 9600Pro will be needed.

You would experience some ghosting for sure, rememebr that model is built on older TFT technology and likely has a 25+ms time.

I wouldn't doubt if it were 40ms. Making some so large (both with resolution and physical size) and so fast isn't very cost effective and probably isn't possible with currect technology.

Why not a P750 which would give you most of the features of a Parhelia just a little cheaper, is there something in particular you need that the P750 doesn't have? Just Curious, I'd take the Parhelia over the P-750 too, but only if I didn't have to pay the difference.

10-bit Gigacolor is sweet. I could also go for the extra pixels with dual displays (though the difference is minimal). I just started saving for a rebuild of this computer (culminating in having two puters, this one w/ a better gaming graphics card and the new one being my "do stuff" rig). As long as I could convince my parents I wouldn't be wasting my time gaming with the new card (easy), they would pay for a chunk of it (maybe all of it if I convinced them that it would help me).

Yeah it's good, just too short IMO. I replay the UN Embassador's level over again from time to time, plus the one running in the snow with the towers.

Yeah, I did the run and gun method of play in that game...WAY too short. Since then I've tried to get different stealth and aggressiveness ratings (still can't get them both above two thirds) on all the levels--makes the game what it should be, not just aggresiveness or stealth.

Damn...I got a STX, Brine and Warrior to send me prototype pictures over two years ago of lacrosse heads that just came out. They also told me what they were planing on making their next-gen shafts out of. Whether or not that information was available to others I'm not sure. I'll give Matrox a try sometime tomorrow anyway.

If only my business were related to computers at all...I'd write stuff off too. Yargh, gotta think of something to make this upgrade cheaper in the end for me (and my parents--don't want to put this one on their checkbook).

EDIT: Oh yeah, forcing a different refresh rate on my small monitor fixes the distortion at 1280x960 .

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Vapor on 01/08/04 09:51 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Vapor]

I thought your system was stable...

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[Vapor]

Yargh...too many people get sick stable OCs and I get unstable at 136MHz, I hate my motherboard and RAM. I really need to get some new stuff, I'm getting crazed.

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[pauldh]

Vapor I have a solution for you. I have a few Old Gateway Pentium 133's that will overclock way past 136mhz and the icing on the cake is that they have a Matrox Mystique 2MB PCI video card in them!!!! Make me an offer. (please)

edit: and Western Digital Hard Drives too!

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9500 Pro, Santa Cruz, Antec 1000AMG, TruePower 430watt<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Pauldh on 01/08/04 10:19 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Vapor]

HAHAHA!!! That's great!!! I would, but I'm saving for a system that will actually OC, has a Matrox and outperform my current system...sorry. Shipping would be too much anyway. :frown:

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[pauldh]

Oh well, lol, I tried. I had about 50 of these systems 3 years ago and am now down to about 10. If you had many of those systems and saw that they have someones favorite brand video cards in them, wouldn't you try to sell them too. Yup, shipping costs have kept them off ebay for well over a year now.

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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

10-bit Gigacolor is sweet. I could also go for the extra pixels with dual displays (though the difference is minimal)

Actually all three (four including HR256) have Gigacolor, and the slight RES. increase (under VGA connectors only) seems minor to me. However the overall performance is better, so if you need it and the folks are paying for it, sure, why not?

<A HREF="http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/comp_chart/gseries_pseries_parhelia.cfm" target="_new">http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/comp_chart/gseries_pseries_parhelia.cfm</A>

I guess there is something to be said for having a 512bit core. 😎

BTW, I always went with Brine, on Defence I found they had better webing/leather for the baskets which help with long passes. Also, never did find out, you play BOX or Field Lacrosse?


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[Vapor]

Wow, they really don't mention Gigacolor anywhere around P650 and P750--I guess they want people to buy Parhelia. I agree the increse is res. is small, I'll probably try to check out the monitors I'm looking at at the different resolutions...too bad nobody in NH has 21/22" monitors :frown: .

I guess if I ever wanted to play a game for a short bit the Parhelia would come in handy, but other than that there really is little difference between P750 and Parhelia in 2D other than price. I've gone without WYSIWYG for as long as I've used this computer, so it's not like I would miss it.

I'll see what money I can fineagle out of my folks, probably not much for awhole since they footed the bill of my new HDDs recently and don't want me "mucking with my computer at school."

I played field for about two years and then started playing both (for the same team) for about another two years. Then our goalies moved and I switched from attack to goalie and did not want to play in all those pads for Box...so I started to play only field. We had our first workout last night...so happy the season's starting!

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[BirdRobin]

Its a boy with a fan.

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