Upcoming Coffee Lake chips

[faalin]

By Intel well, the new Coffe Lake doesn't look like a good option either, if they are planning to make processor with more cores but working on low frequencies,

That's not what the lineup is showing. i7-8700K will run at 4.4Ghz with four cores in load -- same as i7-7700K, which only goes to 4.5Ghz in one (or two cores I am not sure), and 4.3Ghz with six cores in load. And you can always overclock.

I do not see any compromise in clock and performance. It might even come stronger than i7-7700K in single thread if Intel was skimping in IPC during the last generations.

They could mess up, but then this is on them. It has nothing to do with what they can do. Remember, Coffee Lake is not a Xeon part with disable cores.

Other than that, people tend to fear the worse always. They are pressured. I assume they will not screw this up.

Yes but the question is, is that stock speeds or OC speeds and what is its OC rated limits. If you is stock at lets say 4.4ghz can can't efficiently OC to at least 4.8ghz easily. Then whats the point. I can do that with a 6700k...

It really boils down to what the stock speeds are and how high it can OC.

This is just my first hand knowledge on an older 1366 build, but i had a i7 950 that i could ramp up to 4.9Ghz and ran it at 4.6Ghz 24/7. Needing more cores so i swapped it out for a i7 980x and could only reach 4.2Ghz no mater what i did, this could have been a luck of the draw with the chips or the fact that 6 cores cant clock as high as a 4 core.

 

[Contiusa]

By Intel well, the new Coffe Lake doesn't look like a good option either, if they are planning to make processor with more cores but working on low frequencies,

That's not what the lineup is showing. i7-8700K will run at 4.4Ghz with four cores in load -- same as i7-7700K, which only goes to 4.5Ghz in one (or two cores I am not sure), and 4.3Ghz with six cores in load. And you can always overclock.

I do not see any compromise in clock and performance. It might even come stronger than i7-7700K in single thread if Intel was skimping in IPC during the last generations.

They could mess up, but then this is on them. It has nothing to do with what they can do. Remember, Coffee Lake is not a Xeon part with disable cores.

Other than that, people tend to fear the worse always. They are pressured. I assume they will not screw this up.

Yes but the question is, is that stock speeds or OC speeds and what is its OC rated limits. If you is stock at lets say 4.4ghz can can't efficiently OC to at least 4.8ghz easily. Then whats the point. I can do that with a 6700k...

It really boils down to what the stock speeds are and how high it can OC.

If the X series is already reaching 4.7Gh without delidding (IIRC), why do you think a native hexacore with no disable cores won't reach 5Ghz?

Then whats the point. I can do that with a 6700k...

Because the i7-8700K has two extra cores and you can stream, game, multitask and get rid of stutters, have a smoother experience? I think that's the easiest answer of it all, right?

Damn... People got stuck on those stuttering quad cores.

 

[Contiusa]

Needing more cores so i swapped it out for a i7 980x and could only reach 4.2Ghz no mater what i did, this could have been a luck of the draw with the chips or the fact that 6 cores cant clock as high as a 4 core.

What happen is that Intel has a very proven architecture, so nowadays you have a very good lottery chip that looks like that for the i7-7700K according to a post on Reddit:

4.8GHz - top 100%
4.9GHz - top 91%
5.0GHz - top 62%
5.1GHz - top 24%
5.2GHz - top 4%

I also read somewhere that unsoldered IHS in smaller architecture gives more room to overclock, perhaps the reason why Ryzen "don't" overclock in 14nm (in part because Ryzen is new and AMD don't have the same foundries as Intel).

Taking into consideration that the i7-8700K will be an i7-7700K with two extra cores, I imagine that 5Ghz is a given with a delidded CPU. Mind you that even with Kaby Lake people need to delid (or should) to go over 4.8Ghz unless they have a very good chip or a very good custom WC.

 

[androbourne]

Again the question was is it worth an upgrade from even a 6700k. Answer. Highly doubtful.

I stream and game just fine on a barely overlocked 6700k as it standards now. I highly doubt cannonlake is going to be some new game changer of a CPU.

So unless they can obtain higher single core speed across the board. I see no reason to even consider cannonlake as a suitable upgrade.

That is what I was saying.

 

[mdd1963]

I think this hole thing has been negated unless you want to swap out motherboards. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-coffee-lake-cpu-motherboard-asrock,35147.html

Looks like the new coffee lakes will need the newer 300 series motherboards so you can no longer just swap out your 7700k to a 8700k

Just saw that, or rather heard it on Redgamingtech youtube...

Bummer. (Not that I was really contemplating a quick swapout of a 7700K just yet anyway, but, the option to do so might have been nice....)

 

[Contiusa]

I imagined it would be hard to keep the same chipset / socket for a die with two extra cores. They may have to come up with a different voltage distribution and other stuff. Better that way than to skim on things just to be compatible. But they'll have to deliver a good product roughly with the same price of the i7-7700K. Otherwise they will be in deep trouble. People are not giving much leeway for Intel at the moment, deservedly so. We have options now.

 

[EpIckFa1LJoN]

Again the question was is it worth an upgrade from even a 6700k. Answer. Highly doubtful.

I stream and game just fine on a barely overlocked 6700k as it standards now. I highly doubt cannonlake is going to be some new game changer of a CPU.

So unless they can obtain higher single core speed across the board. I see no reason to even consider cannonlake as a suitable upgrade.

That is what I was saying.

For real... Idk what all this talk is about not being able to do that. Like I have said like 20 times at this point... THE ONLY PROBLEMS ARE IN UNOPTIMIZED GAMES. Everything else is top notch. The ONLY reason I am even considering upgrading is to power through the crap. Idk why that's so hard to grasp. lol xD.

I think if Coffee Lake can OC well enough and I am thoroughly impressed with the Maximus X boards, I will hop on that train again... but we'll just have to see...