Question Upgrade cpu 10400F to 5700X3D

[L1nx0u]

I currently have an I5-10400F and a 3060 and I would like to change it, I play mainly competitive cpu games with low graphics like FN / Valo / Delta Force and I have a 165hz screen. My I5-10400F can't keep up with the 180fps minimum to be fluid, especially in fights, plus my mouse is only at 1000hz and I've ordered a new mouse that I'm going to put at 2000hz. So I looked at some people on youtube and found videos with the 5700X3D and the RTX3060. So I did some research and came up with this :

PCPartPicker Part List: https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/MHG38Q

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (€247.99 @ Amazon France)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€45.99 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (€139.00 @ Amazon France)
Total: €432.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-01-15 15:31 CET+0100

So this build good ? 😉

 

[punkncat]

An 11600K is going to be in the same ballpark of performance and should be an update BIOS drop in update to your current 10th gen build (assuming parts). 11700 or K would be nice if you can find one used. I mean like spending 100 or so vs that 430 for just a few less frames.

IMO, if you are going to spend THAT much go ahead up to the AM5 platform.

 

[Eximo]

Hard to say, you are missing everything else. Those will work together, motherboard has BIOS Flashback if the CPU is not supported out of the box.

DDR4 3600 would be the recommendation to go with it. 3200 minimum. If you are at 3000 or less consider getting new memory.

You must already have a capable PSU since you already run the 3060.

Make sure you have an ATX capable chassis? If your current chassis is MicroATX, then that board is too big.

I agree, trying to get yourself into an AM5 system might be better. 7800X3D is probably not an option, but a 7600X / 7700X isn't a bad option in the meantime. Later upgrade to a 9800X3D.

Or a 14600K with a DDR4 board if you want to save a little money.

 

[logainofhades]

An 11600k is not in the same realm as a 5700x3d. The 5700x3d is closer to a 12700k.

I would choose a different motherboard, if going the 5700x3d route. I have had bad experience with that board and MSI's customer support lying to me when trying to get the issue resolved. The board I changed to, I used for awhile. My nephew has it now.



PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor (€247.99 @ Amazon France)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€45.99 @ Amazon France)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard (€120.90 @ Amazon France)
Total: €414.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-01-15 15:43 CET+0100

 

[punkncat]

An 11600k is not in the same realm as a 5700x3d. The 5700x3d is closer to a 12700k.

It is roughly "30%" less powerful which will relate to less frames comparatively, yes....and it also uses all the hardware on hand and cost ~25% as much. Just bringing different ideas to the table.

His option and yours look to spend $400+ on another dead end socket.....

 

[L1nx0u]

It is roughly "30%" less powerful which will relate to less frames comparatively, yes....and it also uses all the hardware on hand and cost ~25% as much. Just bringing different ideas to the table.

His option and yours look to spend $400+ on another dead end socket.....

I'm not going to upgrade my processor every year, I'll only change it when it's broken, so I don't care about AM4 or AM5 or LGA 1700, and the X3D is made for gaming, so for editing or blender the 14600k will be more powerful but not for gaming, and the 5800X3D no longer exists, the 7800X3D is much more powerful but out of my budget. The 5700X3D is still AM4's most powerful cpu. 14600KF 3060 FTN 5700X3D FTN

I don't do 4k, I do 1080p, so I don't need the 5090 for example and if you look at all the pros have the 14900KS but they still have a 3090, which shows that they don't change their pc to have all the best components, I just want to have a high-performance pc without thinking about whether I'll be able to improve my cpu without buying a new motherboard so I'm going to switch to AM5.

I currently have two 3200mhz DDR4 ram strips blocked at 2666 , a 750W psu , the H410M H V2 , 10400F , 3060 12GB .

 

[logainofhades]

12700k is an option too.

It is roughly "30%" less powerful which will relate to less frames comparatively, yes....and it also uses all the hardware on hand and cost ~25% as much. Just bringing different ideas to the table.

His option and yours look to spend $400+ on another dead end socket.....

11th gen really wasn't much, if any improvement, over 10th gen. I remember GN calling the 11700k a waste of sand. 😆 The OP's motherboard limits their ram to 2666, so in the end they would gain nothing, even if it were somewhat of an improvement.

GN's 10400f review it lost to an Ryzen 3 3300x, with a B450 board and 3200mhz ram, in gaming, when the i5 was stuck with 2666 ram speeds, even when highly tuned. This made said chip a terrible buy, for a gaming rig at the time, as you would need a much more expensive Z series board to get the most out of the chip. B series boards were not given the ability to overclock ram, until the 500 series.

I just want to have a high-performance pc without thinking about whether I'll be able to improve my cpu without buying a new motherboard so I'm going to switch to AM5.

That really is the best option, for future upgrade path. Otherwise I would have said give the 12600k, or 12700k a look, if reusing your ram.

 

[L1nx0u]

12700k is an option too.


11th gen really wasn't much, if any improvement, over 10th gen. I remember GN calling the 11700k a waste of sand. 😆 The OP's motherboard limits their ram to 2666, so in the end they would gain nothing, even if it were somewhat of an improvement.

GN's 10400f review it lost to an Ryzen 3 3300x, with a B450 board and 3200mhz ram, in gaming, when the i5 was stuck with 2666 ram speeds, even when highly tuned. This made said chip a terrible buy, for a gaming rig at the time, as you would need a much more expensive Z series board to get the most out of the chip. B series boards were not given the ability to overclock ram, until the 500 series.



That really is the best option, for future upgrade path. Otherwise I would have said give the 12600k, or 12700k a look, if reusing your ram.

SORRY I misspoke I meant I'm not thinking about future upgrades so right now I'm only thinking about a good processor and not a future proof that's why I went for an AM4 cpu ! 😉

 

[L1nx0u]

I have a budget of 400€ maximum for competitive cpus games, so the 7800X3D is already out of budget, the 14600kf too as it recently went to 300€, the 12600k is probably less powerful than the 5700X3D in gaming because of the L3 cache, I'm not thinking about productivty or work just gaming.

 

[punkncat]

12700k is an option too.


11th gen really wasn't much, if any improvement, over 10th gen. I remember GN calling the 11700k a waste of sand. 😆 The OP's motherboard limits their ram to 2666, so in the end they would gain nothing, even if it were somewhat of an improvement.

GN's 10400f review it lost to an Ryzen 3 3300x, with a B450 board and 3200mhz ram, in gaming, when the i5 was stuck with 2666 ram speeds, even when highly tuned. This made said chip a terrible buy, for a gaming rig at the time, as you would need a much more expensive Z series board to get the most out of the chip. B series boards were not given the ability to overclock ram, until the 500 series.



That really is the best option, for future upgrade path. Otherwise I would have said give the 12600k, or 12700k a look, if reusing your ram.

There is a roughly 15% uplift for the 11600K and 20% uplift for the 11700K over a 10400F. I would imagine most of that is in boost clock alone. Considering that either of those could be found pretty inexpensive (used) online they are a worthwhile investment and particularly when the OS license that almost certainly will need new activation after the projected change to AMD.

Even saying this is a moot point though, as the OP has made it clear that they are only considering their own proposed upgrade or something really close, as per post #6.

 

[logainofhades]

There is a roughly 15% uplift for the 11600K and 20% uplift for the 11700K over a 10400F. I would imagine most of that is in boost clock alone. Considering that either of those could be found pretty inexpensive (used) online they are a worthwhile investment and particularly when the OS license that almost certainly will need new activation after the projected change to AMD.

Even saying this is a moot point though, as the OP has made it clear that they are only considering their own proposed upgrade or something really close, as per post #6.

The uplift would be 0, because the 2666 ram would hold it back, just like it did the 10400f, in GN's review. Not sure where you are getting that 15% and 20% either.

 

[punkncat]

The uplift would be 0, because the 2666 ram would hold it back, just like it did the 10400f, in GN's review. Not sure where you are getting that 15% and 20% either.

I am not going to sit here and argue with you over your choice of selected charts, nor the known uplift. Don't like 11th gen, fine, don't like the suggestion, fine. The OP has made his intention clear and it is pointless.

 

[logainofhades]

I just want to know where you are getting your numbers. That review is the only one I have seen that includes said CPU's listed.

No I am not a fan of 11th gen. It was a regression, in some cases, hence the brutal GN review comments, like the 11700k being a waste of sand. The OP's H410 board is the crux of the problem here though. H410's tended to have weak VRM's, and then there's the ram speed limitation. In this particular case, no matter how good 11th gen is, or isn't, it ultimately would have never reached its full potential, as even their current chip is unable to do so.

Now had the OP had a Z490 board, the suggestion wouldn't be a terrible one, as those chips were known to overclock quite well, and would make for a cheap drop in upgrade to get a bit more life out of their rig.

 

[punkncat]

I just want to know where you are getting your numbers. That review is the only one I have seen that includes said CPU's listed.

No I am not a fan of 11th gen. It was a regression, in some cases, hence the brutal GN review comments, like the 11700k being a waste of sand. The OP's H410 board is the crux of the problem here though. H410's tended to have weak VRM's, and then there's the ram speed limitation. In this particular case, no matter how good 11th gen is, or isn't, it ultimately would have never reached its full potential, as even their current chip is unable to do so.

Now had the OP had a Z490 board, the suggestion wouldn't be a terrible one, as those chips were known to overclock quite well, and would make for a cheap drop in upgrade to get a bit more life out of their rig.

Typically, I use the results presented by Versus or Technical City and Passmark is my benchmark for those results alongside tempering with other synthetic or game based workloads. As we both are fully aware, it is super easy to be led astray by "review benchmarks" according to the leisure of the reviewer or site. For instance, UBM. Simply being selective about game titles alone can completely skew a result.