[SOLVED] Upgrade from a I7 7700k?

[ryan_sliwinski]

I was looking into an upgrade from my i7-7700k since I'm seeing some slower performance on most of my newer games. I've had it for a few years. I honestly don't know where to start and I'm looking for some sort of substantial upgrade. I'm willing to spend around 350 on the processor and up to 180 on the motherboard. AMD or Intel I have no preference
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Darkbreeze]

Upgrades are difficult right now, and expensive, both because the mostly better AMD lineup from the recently released 5000 series Ryzen platform are in very short supply, and because, well, seems like pretty much EVERYTHING is in pretty short supply due to the supply chain problems due to Covid, several production blunders and lack of materials at several fabs/foundries, scalpers, and so on. Same thing for graphics cards. And power supplies. And motherboards.

A lot might depend on where you are too. What country/region?

 

[xravenxdota]

I will agree .It's a horrible time to build a pc.I bought my 1070 ti secondhand for 211 usd before covid.They go now for 500 usd +.Personally i would wait a little for the stress to die down.When there's more stock of the 5xxx models the 3xxx series should drop in prices.In South Africa we actually have the 5xxx series in stock but i am not paying 450 usd for a cpu(double the price of my 2600)

 

[Darkbreeze]

Things will probably get much worse before they get any better. I could quote all the news stories related to WHY things are like this right now, but there'd be like twenty or more links here for you to read so I won't bother.

Consider, this article is from June, and it's SIGNIFICANTLY worse right now because we are on another upward spike in worldwide cases, China is shutting down districts again (Which means likely some manufacturing plants and other key elements of the supply chain could be affected, again, after a nearly four month shut down earlier this year that destroyed the levels of available PC hardware once already), bitcoin is now at an all time high, even higher than it was the last time when no graphics cards could be found for months on end, and TSMC and Samsung have both encountered fab problems of one kind or another at some point this year. And when a fab goes down for a few minutes it destroys HUGE numbers of potential products and sets things back by months in terms of production and component availability, which other manufacturers often rely on so THEY can make the crap they make.

https://www.windowscentral.com/now-good-time-buy-motherboards-and-other-pc-parts

I had planned to be upgrading when the Ryzen 5000 series parts became available, but I can see that that plan is going to be on hold for the foreseeable future.

 

[ryan_sliwinski]

I completely understand what you guys are saying. Maybe i should just wait it out for a while. I guess I don’t NEED the expense. Ive just noticed poor performance in games such as watch dogs legion and i can see my msi 2060 super is holding its weight but my processor seems to be holding me back by a lot :/
I found a Ryzen 5 5600x on Newegg for 389
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666?item=9SIA12KCU62281
I’ve heard really good things about it but it’s either that or I deal with what I’ve got for who knows how long. I guess my question is, is the wait going to be worth it or is this ryzen 5 5600x going to be able to run my next gen games for the foreseeable future?

 

[General Kenobi]

I was looking into an upgrade from my i7-7700k since I'm seeing some slower performance on most of my newer games. I've had it for a few years. I honestly don't know where to start and I'm looking for some sort of substantial upgrade. I'm willing to spend around 350 on the processor and up to 180 on the motherboard. AMD or Intel I have no preference
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

At what resolution are you trying to play? Also Intel CPU prices haven't been affected you can find many deals so you could definitely go team blue. What would your budget be for Mobo and CPU? What ram do you currently have?

 

[ryan_sliwinski]

At what resolution are you trying to play? Also Intel CPU prices haven't been affected you can find many deals so you could definitely go team blue. What would your budget be for Mobo and CPU? What ram do you currently have?

I have a 1440p monitor and I would prefer to stay around 300 for the processor but the most ill spend is 400 and at that point the upgrade would need to be VERY substantial. I'll spend around 180 on the motherboard at most. A lot of what I looked into pointed out that Ryzen processors were outperforming Intel for the price range so im scared to settle. Which processor are you thinking of suggesting?

 

[General Kenobi]

I have a 1440p monitor and I would prefer to stay around 300 for the processor but the most ill spend is 400 and at that point the upgrade would need to be VERY substantial. I'll spend around 180 on the motherboard at most. A lot of what I looked into pointed out that Ryzen processors were outperforming Intel for the price range so im scared to settle. Which processor are you thinking of suggesting?

Ik that Zen3 beats Intel but the different isn't huge but the price difference is,if you would have said that $300 for the 5600x instead of $389 I would have said yes(although even $300 for a 6c chip is too much but that's on AMD).Now for $420 you get Intel i9 10900F 10c/20t pair it with either a good feature rich B460/H470 or Z490 and call it a deal. Paying $30 more is alot better than paying $389 for 5600x.
Check this out;
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mFT9HB
Ps:Get a better cooler also

 

[ryan_sliwinski]

Ik that Zen3 beats Intel but the different isn't huge but the price difference is,if you would have said that $300 for the 5600x instead of $389 I would have said yes(although even $300 for a 6c chip is too much but that's on AMD).Now for $420 you get Intel i9 10900F 10c/20t pair it with either a good feature rich B460/H470 or Z490 and call it a deal. Paying $30 more is alot better than paying $389 for 5600x.
Check this out;
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mFT9HB
Ps:Get a better cooler also

That does seem like a good deal. I came here because honestly out of everything in my computer, my knowledge of processors is my weakest area. I did do a bit of browsing and I found
A Ryzen 7 3700X for 299
A Ryzen 7 3800XT for 369
An Intel i9-10900K for 399
All of these at a micro center I can pick up from. Sorry for asking so much so my final question is do you still strongly suggest the i9-10900F above these processors? From the few comparison websites I looked at, they seem to be tied with or outperform the 10900F for a slightly cheaper price. If you have strong reason to believe the 10900F is better then I'll trust your judgment above my own I just didn't want to not ask that.

 

[General Kenobi]

That does seem like a good deal. I came here because honestly out of everything in my computer, my knowledge of processors is my weakest area. I did do a bit of browsing and I found
A Ryzen 7 3700X for 299
A Ryzen 7 3800XT for 369
An Intel i9-10900K for 399
All of these at a micro center I can pick up from. Sorry for asking so much so my final question is do you still strongly suggest the i9-10900F above these processors? From the few comparison websites I looked at, they seem to be tied with or outperform the 10900F for a slightly cheaper price. If you have strong reason to believe the 10900F is better then I'll trust your judgment above my own I just didn't want to not ask that.

YES!!! i9 10900k for $400 is awesome it was about $480 when I checked at pcpartpicker, go ahead with it.You get additional feature to OC if you want to and igpu.
Ps: What about i9 10850k? How much is it for?

 

[ryan_sliwinski]

YES!!! i9 10900k for $400 is awesome it was about $480 when I checked at pcpartpicker, go ahead with it.You get additional feature to OC if you want to and igpu.
Ps: What about i9 10850k? How much is it for?

Yeah... that was too good to be true. What I saw was the i9-10850K for 399. I've just got too many things on my screen being compared and I got them switched up somehow. The 10900K is 469.
The 10950K still seems to be a slightly stronger choice for that price point and I can match it with the same motherboard you originally recommended. What are your thoughts

 

[General Kenobi]

Yeah... that was too good to be true. What I saw was the i9-10850K for 399. I've just got too many things on my screen being compared and I got them switched up somehow. The 10900K is 469.
The 10950K still seems to be a slightly stronger choice for that price point and I can match it with the same motherboard you originally recommended. What are your thoughts

Yes go with the 10850k and you could check for some more better Mobo if possible which you like.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I completely understand what you guys are saying. Maybe i should just wait it out for a while. I guess I don’t NEED the expense. Ive just noticed poor performance in games such as watch dogs legion and i can see my msi 2060 super is holding its weight but my processor seems to be holding me back by a lot :/
I found a Ryzen 5 5600x on Newegg for 389
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x/p/N82E16819113666?item=9SIA12KCU62281
I’ve heard really good things about it but it’s either that or I deal with what I’ve got for who knows how long. I guess my question is, is the wait going to be worth it or is this ryzen 5 5600x going to be able to run my next gen games for the foreseeable future?

The 5600x for 389 is a MUCH better deal than the 10850k for, anything that not less than 389.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-Intel-i9-10850K/3859vs3824

Because, the single core performance is better on the 5600x, and nothing is currently going to use all of the threads on the 10850k anyhow, so the fact that it has better multithreaded performance when all threads are in use means very little unless you plan to run a title that has extremely good multithreaded optimization (Which isn't all that many of them, even in 2021) and can utilize more than 8 threads total (Which again, is few of them) AND will be also heavily multitasking with processes for simultaneously recording, streaming, browsing, and whatever else you can think of that you might be doing WHILE gaming.

If you don't plan to do much of anything extra WHILE gaming, then those extra cores are not very (Or at all) beneficial once you get past about 8 total threads for most situations.

Plus, you'll need MUCH more extensive cooling considerations for the 10850k than you would for the 5600x, meaning more extensive case cooling and a higher end CPU cooler as well. All of which are additional expenses if you don't have something that's already capable enough for it.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ik that Zen3 beats Intel but the different isn't huge

The difference IS huge, when the AMD parts cost less. Why would anybody EVER pay MORE for less performance and bigger thermal issues? Makes absolutely no sense UNLESS it's the only parts you can get at the time, and in some cases it is.

 

[ryan_sliwinski]

The 5600x for 389 is a MUCH better deal than the 10850k for, anything that not less than 389.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-Intel-i9-10850K/3859vs3824

Because, the single core performance is better on the 5600x, and nothing is currently going to use all of the threads on the 10850k anyhow, so the fact that it has better multithreaded performance when all threads are in use means very little unless you plan to run a title that has extremely good multithreaded optimization (Which isn't all that many of them, even in 2021) and can utilize more than 8 threads total (Which again, is few of them) AND will be also heavily multitasking with processes for simultaneously recording, streaming, browsing, and whatever else you can think of that you might be doing WHILE gaming.

If you don't plan to do much of anything extra WHILE gaming, then those extra cores are not very (Or at all) beneficial once you get past about 8 total threads for most situations.

Plus, you'll need MUCH more extensive cooling considerations for the 10850k than you would for the 5600x, meaning more extensive case cooling and a higher end CPU cooler as well. All of which are additional expenses if you don't have something that's already capable enough for it.

I currently have the corsair h100i v2 cooler and it should work well with the new processor. Switching to AMD might have been more of a hassle than worth it with my system since I surprisingly already sold my current processor and needed to make the decision to secure the new one. I listed it not expecting it to sell that quickly but because of that I ended up buying the 10850k. I've been with intel for a few years now and the comparison between the two was pretty close. Thank you for all of your help

 

[General Kenobi]

The 5600x for 389 is a MUCH better deal than the 10850k for, anything that not less than 389.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-Intel-i9-10850K/3859vs3824

Because, the single core performance is better on the 5600x, and nothing is currently going to use all of the threads on the 10850k anyhow, so the fact that it has better multithreaded performance when all threads are in use means very little unless you plan to run a title that has extremely good multithreaded optimization (Which isn't all that many of them, even in 2021) and can utilize more than 8 threads total (Which again, is few of them) AND will be also heavily multitasking with processes for simultaneously recording, streaming, browsing, and whatever else you can think of that you might be doing WHILE gaming.

If you don't plan to do much of anything extra WHILE gaming, then those extra cores are not very (Or at all) beneficial once you get past about 8 total threads for most situations.

Plus, you'll need MUCH more extensive cooling considerations for the 10850k than you would for the 5600x, meaning more extensive case cooling and a higher end CPU cooler as well. All of which are additional expenses if you don't have something that's already capable enough for it.

I disagree with the first statement that a 5600x at $389 is better deal than a i9 10850k for just $10more. You mean having 10core and 8 threads more for a $10 is not a deal? Yes the 5600x is fast but on benchmarks and in some games. I did watch some games at 1080p and i9 was faster on some titles by 10~15FPS , a minor improvement similar like the benchmark shows for the 5600x. Also I agree that not many games are gonna use all the threads of the i9 but they definitely use all 10cores, for example Cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p uses all the 10core of the i9.

The difference IS huge, when the AMD parts cost less. Why would anybody EVER pay MORE for less performance and bigger thermal issues? Makes absolutely no sense UNLESS it's the only parts you can get at the time, and in some cases it is.

The difference is 'huge' not on all games in some, and the 5600x is not for $300 now. And there's no need to OC the CPU if anyone prefers not too, that way the CPU will be cool, Yes the max Power consumption is huge but then again we are comparing a mid level CPU with a premium CPU.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Something which offers no real benefit, is not ever a deal. What good does having five tires and wheels do (Not counting if you get a flat) when your car can only use four?

What good does having ten cores and twenty hyperthreads do when games won't use more than 8 unless you are actively doing some kind of heavy multitasking WHILE YOU ARE GAMING? And most people, aren't. The majority of gamers are ONLY gaming at that time. Even factoring in things like shadowplay, etc., it's been shown over and over and over again that for the vast majority of games out there anything more than 8 cores offers little to no benefit.

It's like having three running shoes when you can only wear two.

It has nothing to do with "overclocking" and I made absolutely no mention of overclocking. It's a WELL KNOWN fact that the majority of high end 9th and 10th Gen Intel CPUs require substantial cooling even at the stock configuration. If you want to argue with those statements it just goes to show you know very little about them and are therefore not even worth arguing those points. Believe what you wish, I assure you, it has no relevance on the facts.

All of that is without even factoring in the idea that extra FPS are often not even beneficial, so value is most important. Getting 169FPS on a system that only needs 144FPS to match the refresh rate, and paying extra for it, is simply a waste of money and illogical. As just a common example.

 

[General Kenobi]

Something which offers no real benefit, is not ever a deal. What good does having five tires and wheels do (Not counting if you get a flat) when your car can only use four?

What good does having ten cores and twenty hyperthreads do when games won't use more than 8 unless you are actively doing some kind of heavy multitasking WHILE YOU ARE GAMING? And most people, aren't. The majority of gamers are ONLY gaming at that time. Even factoring in things like shadowplay, etc., it's been shown over and over and over again that for the vast majority of games out there anything more than 8 cores offers little to no benefit.

It's like having three running shoes when you can only wear two.

It has nothing to do with "overclocking" and I made absolutely no mention of overclocking. It's a WELL KNOWN fact that the majority of high end 9th and 10th Gen Intel CPUs require substantial cooling even at the stock configuration. If you want to argue with those statements it just goes to show you know very little about them and are therefore not even worth arguing those points. Believe what you wish, I assure you, it has no relevance on the facts.

All of that is without even factoring in the idea that extra FPS are often not even beneficial, so value is most important. Getting 169FPS on a system that only needs 144FPS to match the refresh rate, and paying extra for it, is simply a waste of money and illogical. As just a common example.

My apology with the 'OC', I agree you hadn't mentioned about OC what I was trying to say is that if someone overclocks the i9's, the power consumption and heat output will be really high and in my previous post back I did mention to have a good cooler and you don't need to spend alot a Scythe fuma is a 200w cooler about $70-80 although generally it's lower but sure consider the current pricing now , sorry if my comment seemed disrespecting I had not intended to disrespect you by any means, it's just that I don't agree with some of your opinions. Check the video I've attached the i9 beats the 5600x but not by a alot, Yes there are games which shows huge difference but not all. And if you have more cores and threads your frame times are gonna be much better, games will be smoother. The problem is for $389 it's a 6c chip and there's no alternative for a 8c chip Zen 3 at that price point although a 10c chip is for 10 bucks more so you get more headroom and will definitely last longer than the 5600x yes Zen3 has really good cores with nice ipc uplift but they aren't good as having 6 additional physical cores, your overall computing becomes better due to higher cores and threads and I'm not even saying paying alot just 10 bucks and I believe if someone can pay $389 for a CPU they can definitely pay $10more. Comparing a 5600x with a i9 is similar to comparing a Dodge Challenger Demon with a Lamborghini in drag race the Dodge does beat the lambo but bring it in a race track the result is different and the in-hand feel and the entire car experience would be better in a Lamborghini.

View: https://youtu.be/6wMIAelEgLQ