Upgrade Q6600 or Buy New i7 920?

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I am where you are at, I am about to go X58. I have a couple of PCI GPUs which will work to make sure that everything works, I bought an Antec EA750 PSU which I have put into this PC to make sure it works? Well sort of? This system cannot put but a teaspoon of stress on this PSU. Anyway on my next expenditure I will have to bleed out.

Curently I plan on getting a Gigabyte X58, not sure which, 920, 6GB of RAM and some cooler none of which have I narrowed down to what brand model. Mid grade GPU and PCIe SSD can be added latter.

My current Pooter is something that someone put out on the curb to be taken away, a HP with a 3.06 ghz celron D, 160GB IDE HDD, DVD-RW w/LightScribe, multi card reader, 512 DDR which I replaced with 2 sticks of Corsair value ram.

In my case I see it as better to go I7 as most of my stuff has very little viability left in it (that's what I tell my self so that I can relapse into my addiction of getting the trill of the build).
 
I would saty out of i7, Intell still need mature its integrated memory controller.
So far they have issues with faster running memories (i believe it was limit 1066MHz when using tripple channel) and i am personally considering this big issue which can also bring additional problems with memory compatibility etc.
 
Well, I DID make a decision a little while ago, and decided it would be best to upgrade to i7.

This is what my computer looks like right now:

Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz
ASUS P6T Deluxe X58
3x2GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1333
1x WD Caviar Blue 500GB (for OS) and 2x WD Caviar Black 500GB (Raid 0, for applications/storage)
Corsair 850TX
EVGA 8800GT
Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro

The observent individual will notice that everything is different from my OP except for the video card, and the HDD's.


For your listening pleasure, I will now tell my fairly amusing purchasing experience...

I bought the PSU and sound card through newegg. The sound card was literally a last second decision, as I noticed newegg was again offering a combo deal that included a really nice headset, and I had to have it. The PSU is great, and the sound card/headset is actually really awesome. It's quite immersive for games (FPS's in particular) and for rocking out to music. I might just have to pick up Guitar Hero on PC to experience what it's like with EAX effects and those bells and whistles I paid for. I paid about $280 before rebates for these items.

I bought the three major components (CPU, Mobo, RAM) from my local Microcenter. Everything had just recently been marked down tremendously, and I think I would have paid several hundred more dollars if I had shopped even a few weeks earlier. I DID opt to purchase a open-box mobo from them, and I am sorry to say that it may not have been worth the $50 or so that I saved. The first one I picked up with the rest of the parts had several bent pins in the CPU socket. I returned it the next day after work, but as luck would have it, it wasn't merely raining, but it was POURING rain and I think there was a tornado warning, but I was determined damn it! I got another open-box mobo, and not one to be fooled twice, I told the guy behind the returns desk that I was going to inspect it in front of him to make sure everything at least LOOKED ok this time. No bent pins, no broken ports, nothing out of the blue, and just as I was about to put it back in it's anti-static bag, I noticed the CMOS battery was absent. (I later found that it had fallen out and was still in the box) I got him to give me the one from the board I had just returned, wrapped my new board up in my coat, (Yes, I cared more about keeping my new hardware out of the pouring rain more than myself) and drove home soaking wet. I think I paid about $560 before rebates for these items.

The new board works fine, and I haven't had any problems with it at all. I'm happy with my decision. It was awfully expensive, but I am confident now that everything I've got is pretty top-of-the-line, and I shouldn't have to upgrade anything for at least several years. (my video card being the exception) I plan to overclock at some point, but for now I'm still breaking in the new hardware.


I created a post in the graphics card forum requesting help on what video card would be a good replacement, but it got very little attention.
LINK HERE

Thanks again to everyone that helped to educate me, and thanks for all the opinions and suggestions.
 


Thank you for thanking, if I am included 😀 Nice, but you are very far away from the top line. That is reserved for Quad SLI GTX295, 12GB RAM and I7 965. Personally, I am sad that Intel wins another customer and another $560 in their deep pockets, but hey, it's your choice.

PS: I'll soon get a new AMD system for $1300 (the one that I was speaking about). Let me know when you're ready so we can compare our PC's in some stuff 😉 (except gaming, because I'll have a stronger GPU). I am interested in how does a "petty" AMD system compare with Intel's...

PC Specs (a bit redone):
1. AMD Phenom II 955 AM3
2. GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 ATX
3. ATI 4870x2 (or 4890, we'll see 😉 )
4. 6GB 1066MHz DDR3 Transcend RAM
5. 1TB Hard Drive for everything
6. SB Audigy 2

That should be it.
 


Great system AMD. I decided to go with the for the replacement of my current board/CPU/RAM

i7 920
P6T
6GB DDR3 1600MHz

What cooler did you get for the 955? Also, 2 4890s would look great in Xfire.
 


Thanks. I was thinking of sticking with the reference cooler for a while, because 3.2 GHz is only 0.2 below my record on E4600 :) But now that you mentioned it, I have my eye on this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118020

By the way, I am not so "experienced" in coolers, so you can also recommend me one if you want. I think that this cooler above will satisfy, but I'm not so much into that stuff because I usually stay with the coolers AMD/Intel ship with their processors...
 


WOW, that cooler costs way too much. I would highly recommdend the Xigmatek HDT-S1283. It is relatively inexpensive and works very well. I'm using the same one on my i7 as I did on my last CPU. It will also cool better than that Zalman despite the massive difference in price.

What are you thinking of getting for GPUs?
 



What, coolers? Nah, if you thought of that I'm not that much into overclocking GPUs. I like overclocking processors and sometimes memory, but that is not necessary...
 


The Xigmatek HDT-S1283 is for CPUs. It's one of the best CPU coolers. IMO I think it's the best price/performance of any cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003

It looks to be on sale with MIR for around $26. I got mine last year for 36.99 + 6.99 for the socket 775 retention bracket. It comes with an AM2 bracket so I assume it should work for AM3.

EDIT: I mean to say what kind of GPUs are you thinking of getting? Dual 4890s? or 4870s?
 


I agree, and this is coming from an i7 owner. It's a great chip, but you already have a great chip, and if the motherboard will take it, buy the q9550 and sell your q6600 on ebay. You'll probably end up paying a 100 for a nice upgrade. Only reason I went i7 is I was coming from a P4 Northwood! :)
 



Ah sorry, stupid of me, but it just sounded like that 😀 GPU... I'll probably be happy with one 4890 for quite some time, because getting 4870x2 seems pointless. DX11 cards are coming at the beginning of 2010, so getting a faster dual DX10 card will be a waste of money. Same for Crossfire. Two cards would be a waste of money... If my 9800GT satisfies all my needs and runs a great portion of the games at maximum (with AA, except Crysis, of course), then there's really no need for more.

And it's all coming this wednesday :pt1cable:
 


The worst part of putting together a computer is the suspense of hoping it boots up right away and there aren't any parts to RMA. I have been lucky with all of my builds off of Newegg. I agree with you on not investing large amount of money into a GPU with DX11 right around the corner. The 3870X2 came out then the 4850 came out shortly after with equal or better performance for much much less. I have a GTX 260 C 216 and my PSU can't handle another one. I think I may wait until it's too slow for games and upgrade with 2 slower cards in SLI. I only have a 650W PSU.
 


No, it doesn't work like that for me. It won't be a problem to RMA because I'm not ordering from Newegg or something. Instead, I'm buying it from a local shop for a much higher price than on those sites. Why? Because I live in a trash dump called Serbia, which has so much taxing that you can't imagine (except you live in it, of course). And because of that, anyone can put thrice the price on any component, and anyway it will be cheaper to buy from him than order from America. Sigh... At least they are testing the configuration before they give me, so there are no worries. And, even if something happens after all, the store is ten meters away from me :) and they usually got everything stocked.

PS: I am curious... How does Crysis work on your system? Are you able to max out everything (on 1680x1050) with a little Anti Aliasing? I saw a video on youtube with same graphics card but with a Phenom II 920, and it ran as smooth as hell on enthusiast. And I don't think it's a problem that you don't have a quad, because this game is highly optimised for Intel and doesn't benefit so much from 2 more cores. And do you think the game will run as smooth on 4890? My 9800GT handles 1680x1050 maxed out with 2xAA in multiplayer. In Singleplayer I have to drop the AA, but the game still runs fine (not nearly as smooth, of course).
 


I usually play with everything on high except ultra high shaderr, water, and physics @ 1920x1200 with no AA. I usually get right around 30fps with my single GTX 260 C216
 


Ok, so because I'm getting the damn computer on Wednesday :cry: , can you please try with all Very High , but on 1680x1050 resolution?
And, as always, another question... What do you think, will it be better getting 4GB 1600MHz or 6GB 1066MHz? Lol, this is starting another topic on this finished forum... 😀
 


Well, I think the 4GB 1066MHz is better because you can run it in Dual Channel mode. With 6GB you'll have to run it in single channel. I'm stress testing my i7 920 right now at 3.6GHz and my RAM is around 1450MHz and it's 1600MHz DDR3. The difference between 4GB and 6GB is pretty small if you're mostly gaming. Tom's actually did an article a few days ago about memory scaling on Phenom II and another article a week or so ago on "How much memory you actually need". I'm tunning on 8hr 52m on my stress test, so I should be able to try running Crysis on the specs you wanted. I'm guessing the FPS will be in the mid 30s, but we'll have to wait and see.
 


Thank you mate.
 



Wait, I have to correct myself. The PC is coming tomorrow. Eh, I had to say that, because I'm either getting it tomorrow or on Wednesday, and I DON'T WANT to get it on Wednesday! Lol...................
 


Haha, I hate waiting for things in the mail, especially computer parts. I just ran Crysis @ 1680x1050 @ all very high no AA. My i7 920 is overclocked to 3.6GHz and the GTX 260 Core 216 is mildly overclocked. I don't think the CPU speed changes much because the game is more GPU limited. My average FPS with the resolution was about ~30FPS. I usually run it at 1920x1200 with all high and very high shaders, water, and physics. The max FPS at the tested resolution was 58FPS and the lowest I saw was 25FPS using FRAPS. I prefer running the higher resolution with lowered graphics versus lower resolution and higher graphics in this case.
I hope that helped.
 


Yay, it did... I just needed to know will a card like GTX260 run it all very high on my resolution, because it would be stupid if ATI4980 couldn't when I already have a 9800GT that can run it pretty good on 1680x1050 very high. As for now, I have a 22'' monitor so resolution isn't a problem. But man, how much I'll love to see those new 5.1 speakers...

PS: And I can't wait to compare benchmarks with you on that I7 rig! No lies, no fanboys this time, it's I7 vs. Phenom II.
 


Haha, Good morning. I actually just got done feeding my i7 some PIIs for breakfast. :) A 4890 is a little bit better than a GTX 260 Core 216. I'd say 4890=GTX 275 and GTX 260 Core 216=4870 1GB.

I had a 20", 22" and 24" in the past 17 months and I love my 24". I don't plan on trading it off like the others. Except the Samsung 22" died prematurely. After we compare Crysis we can compare some rendering and encoding, too! haha

EDIT: Also, when we do the benches. I think 1024x768 and medium quality on everything tested with the included Crysis benchmark in the game folder. Four runs and paste the results like I have shown below. This way it'll be CPU limited instead of GPU limited at the resolutions we normally game at. I can run the 64Bit test, but I can only get the results after running a set of the 32Bit tests for some reason. The 64Bit results are a little higher. I also overclocked my GPU for the test even though it shouldn't matter much at all because of the low resolution.

When you get yours ran through I'll post my scores up so we can compare.

Also, if you could copy and paste your results directly off of the Command Line. It should look something like this

Running CPU benchmark 1
Results will depend on current system settings
Press any key to continue . . .
Running...
==============================================================
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: XX.62s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: XX.07s, Average FPS: XX.03
Min FPS: XX.70 at frame 875, Max FPS: XXX.03 at frame 717
Average Tri/Sec: XXXX332, Tri/Frame: XXXXX
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: X.07
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: XX.31s, Average FPS: XX.00
Min FPS: XX.81 at frame 895, Max FPS: XX.73 at frame XX
Average Tri/Sec: 663X84, Tri/Frame: 6XX51
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: X.06
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: XX.04s, Average FPS: XX.73
Min FPS: XX.81 at frame 895, Max FPS: XX.73 at frame 354
Average Tri/Sec: 67X232, Tri/Frame: 67X18
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: X.06
!TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
Play Time: XX.25s, Average FPS: XX.37
Min FPS: XX.81 at frame 895, Max FPS: XX.73 at frame 354
Average Tri/Sec: 66X36, Tri/Frame: 67X18
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: X.06
TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
==============================================================
Press any key to continue . . .
 


Lol, Phenom II will eat that Intel as a snack. 😀

PS: It......is.....coming.....on.....Wednesday.... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: And by the way, you said we should see the benchmarks on 1024x768 for them to be CPU limited. I quote: "You buy $xxx$ CPU's specifically to avoid playing at settings like those, right?"
 
I'll say this in Serbian now:

Phenom II стиже сутра! Ура! Lol... Phenom II is coming tomorrow! Horray! 😀

Oh, I'm losing myself... Better go and watch South Park.