Upgrading Dell Vostro 1000, does it worth it?

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PeterMuellerr said:
Upgrading RAM from 1 GB to 2 GB would make your laptop somewhat usable these days for one of the primitive tasks you wanted, viz., learning JAVA. Not more. As for upgrading to SSD… Really, I wouldn't spend more than 1 unit of your local currency on this (+ delivery costs), and I'd go for an HDD in your case anyway. I wouldn't install Windows for learning JAVA (you'd be tired of waiting until the installation process and the updates terminate), so, I'd advise going with some Linux (e.g., Damn Small Linux or (old)oldstable Debian).
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sry if i'm really noob, u say HDD is better than SDD in my case (i didn't understand why tho), so why should i buy a new HDD when it has one already? i just wanted to speed up so i said i would replace HDD with SDD.

I read in Dell Forum that people with Amd Turion 64 X2 TL-56 and this laptop has upgraded to 8gb ram and thats cool. so i can upgrade more than 2 gb 😀
 
PeterMuellerr said:
Yes, and at the same time this additional resource consumption by such old systems is immaterial compared to the cost of the laptop production and its carbon footprint. Even more: if my memory doesn't fail me, even 15 years ago the laptops could automatically reduce their power consumption in various ways when idle. So, yes, @tryoer12345 will pay 2 € on the upgrade and a few cents more on his/her electricity per year, but will save dozens or hundreds of $ or € by not buying anything new. This translates to saved resources on Earth.
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And still have a system incapable of running modern software, and lacking major security concerns.
 
troyer12345 said:
can i upgrade the cpu too? i heard that the socket is same as Amd Turion 64 X2 TL-56
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Check for https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/...notebook/vostro-1000_service manual_en-us.pdf . According to that page, you can replace the processor. I don't know whether you can upgrade the CPU to a faster/better one. If it costs more than 1 € or 1 $, I wouldn't bother. In particular, a faster processor might hypothetically need a better cooling solution (which may or may not be available).
 
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troyer12345 said:
sry if i'm really noob, u say HDD is better than SDD in my case (i didn't understand why tho), so why should i buy a new HDD when it has one already? i just wanted to speed up so i said i would replace HDD with SDD.

I read in Dell Forum that people with Amd Turion 64 X2 TL-56 and this laptop has upgraded to 8gb ram and thats cool.
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Replacing the hard drive with another hard drive is a waste.
Don't do that.

So you're looking at:
More RAM
SSD
New CPU (even if possible)

You are now well into the price range of a much more recent used laptop.
 
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USAFRet said:
And still have a system incapable of running modern software, and lacking major security concerns.
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what kind of modern softwares? mention some of them plz so i can consider them.
btw i have a good pc at home (ryzen 3400g 8gb ram and b450m-a motherboard, i can do heavy stuff while i'm home in summer)
 
PeterMuellerr said:
Check for https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_laptop/esuprt_vostro_notebook/vostro-1000_service manual_en-us.pdf . According to that page, you can replace the processor. I don't know whether you can upgrade the CPU to a faster/better one. If it costs more than 1 € or 1 $, I wouldn't bother. In particular, a faster processor might hypothetically need a better cooling solution (which may or may not be available).
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1 GB of ram is 4$ here
its hard to find cpu for this socket in my country as it is too old but i found one and it was about 8$, i think that's cheap
 
troyer12345 said:
sry if i'm really noob, u say HDD is better than SDD in my case (i didn't understand why tho), so why should i buy a new HDD when it has one already? i just wanted to speed up so i said i would replace HDD with SDD.

I read in Dell Forum that people with Amd Turion 64 X2 TL-56 and this laptop has upgraded to 8gb ram and thats cool. so i can upgrade more than 2 gb 😀
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Yes, purely technically, SSDs are faster on read accesses than HDDs. And in practice, I consider an SSD as unsuitable for your particular case: it would experience heavy write accesses which make the system slower and less reliable. Again, I see a clear advantage of a better HDD (say, faster, of larger capacity, or with larger cache) and no clear advantage of an SSD in your very particular case. So, if I were you, I wouldn't bother with an SSD.

As for upgrading to more RAM than 2 GB: if you can test it for only 1 $ or 1 €, simply do it.
 
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USAFRet said:
Replacing the hard drive with another hard drive is a waste.
Don't do that.

So you're looking at:
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SSD
New CPU (even if possible)
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That's where I disagree in the particular case.

On the one hand, I don't see any clear usage of the theoretical read-speed advantage of an SSD, even though the technology is newer. I see only disadvantages in practice for this particular case. The present hardware interface in a Dell might not even support the high speeds an SSD could hypothetically deliver.

On the other hand, a larger HDD than what you currently have could do (again, for 1 € or 1 $ only). An HDD could probably live longer and be faster in your particular case (due to heavy swap).

As for a faster CPU, in laptops it might overheat and require a better cooling solution (or the user be prepared that the system suddenly shuts down due to overheating — this did happen to me personally for old laptops).

USAFRet said:
So you're looking at:
More RAM
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That's where I agree in this particular case.

And, of course, if @troyer12345 does really wish to run heavy applications they mentioned (Chrome, MS Office), I also agree they should choose a newer computer (I'd say, from the last 8 years latest).
 
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PeterMuellerr said:
That's where I disagree in the particular case.

I don't see any clear usage of the theoretical read-speed advantage of an SSD, even though the technology is newer. I see only disadvantages in practice for this particular case. The present hardware interface in a Dell might not even support the high speeds an SSD could hypothetically deliver.

On the other hand, a larger HDD than what you currently have could do (again, for 1 € or 1 $ only).

As for a faster CPU, in laptops it might overheat and require a better cooling solution (or the user be prepared that the system suddenly shuts down due to overheating — this did happen to me personally for old laptops).


That's where I agree in this particular case.

And, of course, if @troyer12345 does really wish to run heavy applications they mentioned (Chrome, MS Office), I also agree they should choose something newer (I'd say, from the last 8 years latest).
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about storage, let me explain the situation to u, as i said i have a good pc at home which doesn't have ssd and only have WD Green HDD 500gb, i wanted to upgrade this laptop to use it for 1 or 2 years and then buy a new good laptop and eject the SSD from laptop and add it to my PC , that's why i insist on buying a SSD not a new HDD 😀


About CPU, what can i do about cooling? it's not pc so i can't add Fan to it so what's the solution? is heat that bad ?

thank u for all your answers :')
 
USAFRet said:
In a laptop, not much you can do.
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Right, almost nothing. Well, @troyer12345 could clean up the dust and run the laptop with enough cool air around the air intake (not on the bed, e.g.).

Some processors can be faster despite the same power consumption (because some slower processors were manufactured as broken faster processors where the broken part was turned off, e.g., parts of the cache). So, ultimately, one should make sure that if the newer processor is faster, it doesn't use more power. The specs of the processors should be compared.
 
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PeterMuellerr said:
Right, almost nothing. Well, @troyer12345 could clean up the dust and run the laptop with enough cool air around the air intake (not on the bed, e.g.).

Some processors can be faster despite the same power consumption (because some slower processors were manufactured as broken faster processors where the broken part was turned off, e.g., parts of the cache). So, ultimately, one should make sure that if the newer processor is faster, it doesn't use more power. The specs of the processors should be compared.
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the current cpu uses 25W power and the one i want to upgrade to uses 31W, i guess that's not huge difference and won't make too much heat, what do u think?
 
troyer12345 said:
the current cpu uses 25W power and the one i want to upgrade to uses 31W, i guess that's not huge difference and won't make too much heat, what do u think?
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24% IS a huge difference for a laptop. Even for the lights in my bathroom. Still, if a replacement takes you 1 unit of currency, consider trying it out. At worst, you'd fry your latop. So consider having a fire extinguisher at hand 🙂.
 
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By the way, I might be wrong in what I say next, but it's not evident to me that the old circuitry between the operating system and the SSD controller would support features such as TRIM, S.M.A.R.T. reporting, etc. even if the physical connectors would fit or would be made fit by adapters. In theory, SSDs could work without these gimmicks for some time but practically at lower speeds or less reliably or not at all. You might even not notice for some time that some feature (e.g., TRIM) doesn't work until it's too late.

So, I would go for the technology (here: HDD with higher capacity) that works by default.
And yes, think about the thermal paste (and, if the new processor has other dimensions, think of space for it and for the cooling solution, whichever it may be).

Good luck!
 
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@PeterMuellerr @USAFRet so i just upgraded this laptop to 4gb of ram and replaced the HDD with WD Green 240GB SSD , installed windows 7 ultimate update 2009 lol. I really prefer Win 10 , so which one do u recommend?
A. Windows 7 SP1 latest update
B. Windows 10 latest update

i really prefer win 10 and checked the system requirements it was at least a 1 Ghz cpu and the recommended system requirements was 2 Ghz cpu , the current cpu is AMD Mobile Sempron 3600+ which is 1 core and 2 Ghz
 
Congrats!
MS no longer supports Windows 7 for John Doe (though, MS does support older operating systems for enterprises such as banks). So, unless you are a bank or similar, get yourself an operating system that has not expired yet, which means Win10 in your case provided the installer can actually finish with success (which is not self-evident to me). If I were you, I'd go for dual-boot Windows 8.1 + Debian oldoldstable (currently, “stretch”). Or, if you want to show off, MacOS+Hurd.

Notice: your larger RAM (beyond the spec of max. 2 GB) might already consume more power than the laptop was designed for. So, you might wish to make sure your laptop always gets enough cooling air.
 
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PeterMuellerr said:
Congrats!
MS no longer supports Windows 7 for John Doe (though, MS does support older operating systems for enterprises such as banks). So, unless you are a bank or similar, get yourself an operating system that has not expired yet, which means Win10 in your case provided the installer can actually finish with success (which is not self-evident to me). If I were you, I'd go for dual-boot Windows 8.1 + Debian oldoldstable (currently, “stretch”). Or, if you want to show off, MacOS+Hurd.

Notice: your larger RAM (beyond the spec of max. 2 GB) might already consume more power than the laptop was designed for. So, you might wish to make sure your laptop always gets enough cooling air.
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i'd heard that win 8 and 8.1 was a failure for Microsoft, i never had that windows , i went from 7 to 10 and now 11 on my PC. so i think 10 is a good option as some people in dell forum said they had 10 on their vostro 1000. i was concerned about the cam and CPU occupancy by win 10 compared to 7.
edit: and also i'm worried about finding Drivers for windows 10 as my laptop is old

i dont know what Debian is , i never used anything but Windows.
 
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troyer12345 said:
i'd heard that win 8 and 8.1 was a failure for Microsoft
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i was concerned about the cam
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i dont know what Debian is , i never used anything but Windows.
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You'd better ask (wherever you heard it) what they mean by "failure for Microsoft" and why you care how/why Microsoft "failed". I don't get it. In my view, Windows 8.1 is just another operating system which is a predecessor of Windows 10, is still supported, and occupies less resources than Windows 10, and is thus more likely to give you a faster system overall.

As for the webcam, there are plenty second-hand ones in the meantime. At the place where I live, they are relatively cheap (e.g., http://www.hood.de/0096367762.htm ).

Debian is a free operating system. You get there all basics you need. The price paid is 0 $ + more manual work during installation and usage in comparison to Windows.
 
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