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Paul please try and keep it simple and to the point. I don't have time to read a novel on your theories. Writing 5 billion words won't make you any more right.

He uses his computer mainly for gamming not everyone can afford to upgrade every 6 months. Out dated as his computer is he's a gamer and wants to upgrade to a new much better gamming machine. That’s hardcore enough in my book.

Re: And tell me what is wrong with a 2.8C now even for gaming?

Nothing but in my opinion a64 is a better choice on the current motherboards for his situation. You are the one eliminating an entire cpu generation not me. If he said he was a casual gamer and did lots of compression video encoding I would not be arguing with you with that one chip.

Re: NF3-150 was and is a big letdown. You might disagree because the performance is so close even with 600 hypertransport. But the shortfalls are hard for enthusiasts to forget.

You got a gamming benchmark to back that up? The short fall is virtually unnoticeable. It's just in your head. Did not p4-man just finish explaining this to you? If it bugs you so much go via. Or do you have n excuse for (the current) a64 via chipsets as well?

Look at it this way Paul, you are the one eliminating a reasonable choice (over and over) not me, his needs and wants are very specific (gaming) the internet surfing part is irrelevant. Since this is the case I believe he is better off with an a64 setup over a p4-2.8c setup. Period.

The fact that the guy does not upgrade every 6 months is all the more reason to not worry about the 2% increase he might get by waiting for the nforce3-250.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
It is not the point about gettiong a cheap mobo, but an adfequate mobo. The ECS doesnt have the latest feature, but if he dont need them, why pay for? But if he think that he may need ,let say, firewire, then he's better with a mobo that already have it integrated. Intel solutions may be good too! I just dont know them enough as I dont use them for my built. Games are always pushing the limits, and you'll never have enough. You just have to know when enough for now is enough and built it!

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
 
Direct and to the point is that i am not eliminating a cpu generation; never said forget A64. But saying P4-C isn't a valid upgrade for him is a joke. It will be night and day. And the P4-C mobos/chipsets are a clear step above current A64 offerings. Where have they fallen short of enthusiast expectations?

OK, that said. Let me say again for the 400th time that A64 are incredibly fast gaming CPU's and a gamer should definately consider going the A64 option. Maybe today, maybe in a few weeks. Though I'm sure once again I'll be blamed for ignoring a cpu generation. I'm just suggesting 2-3 weeks wait may give a revised second gen chipset/mobo that although might not be much faster, could potentially erase the current compliants. Is that so bad a suggestion too? P4 now, A64 now, or A64 come mid-late April. Email I got from Chaintech stated mid April as the expected release of their NF3-250 mobo.

Usual book: Don't read it if you care not to, but don't respond to me or argue against what I say if you don't read it.


Here is how I see it now:
I see P4-C/865&875 as Great/Great, even for games.
I see A64/current mobos as Great/ pretty Good. For games it is Outstanding/Good. Now soon with second generation mobos,this might be Outstanding/very good. Which is the best gaming SYSTEM not cpu? Great/Great or Outstanding/Good. Pretty even in my book, so i lean toward the best mobo/chipsets and as a bonus get better performance in some other areas. You lean toward the faster fps cpu. Neither of us is right or wrong and can choose what is important to us or our customers.


And as far as the NF3-150 thing, you are misinterpreting what I said. i agree actual performance isn't much different, that's exactly why I said "You might disagree because the performance is so close even with 600 hypertransport." The shortfalls aren't in aweful performace. I just said performace is so close. But does that mean it's a great chipset??? Why is NV's market share on A64 almost zilch? Why has Via been kicking the tar out of them? Especially considering the name they earned with NF2. I'd love to hear your explanation to this if they truely are such great chipsets.

And P4man didn't explain anything about NF3-150. Basically stated performance is almost identical to others, so forget features, forget Overclocking, forget unmet claims. Dang is this an enthusiast site or a Games site? Last i check this wasn't Gamepro.com

All I seem to hear so far is A64 pushed anytime games are mentioned. Like nothing else is worthy of gaming on. Anything that gets said negatively at all about A64 mobos gets jumped on as unimportant. Anything said that shows how great the Intel chipsets or P4's are, gets ignored. Do you guys read reviews? Or just look at the bar charts?

Where is NF3-150 praised as being anything near expected/hoped for. Where is it considered the best A64 route now? That's why they are saying NF3-250 is what NF3-150 should have been. Read some NF3-250 previews and you are bound to see many complaints about the current chipsets. Yet all you see is 2-3% performance boost, why wait? There is more to a great chipset/mobo than breaking 500fps in quake 3 or smiling at 20K plus 3dmark scores.

Not at all trying to be harsh, but you guys really seem to look only at performance and not at all consider there is validity in what the experts complain about. I read what they say and it makes sence to me. A true high end machine is more than just sheer performance. Enthusiasts should care about more than just longer lines on a bar chart. Sure benchies are important. And they are fun too. But they aren't even close to everything.

Shoot, i hate it when i go on forever. Need to get up in less than 6 hours.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
Thanks for keeping it short and simple.

I'll respond to your first paragraph and 1 sentence below that, I really can't keep reading it all.

Re: Direct and to the point is that i am not eliminating a cpu generation; never said forget A64.

Where did you recommend it for today?

Re: But saying P4-C isn't a valid upgrade for him is a joke.

No one ever said that but for his situation he's probably better off with a64. Period..

Re: It will be night and day. And the P4-C mobos/chipsets are a clear step above current A64 offerings.

Not in performance not in price not in stability.... so just what are you talking about for the 600th time? remember he is not overclocking so you can't keep bringing up that weak agp pci lock thing.

Re: Where have they fallen short of enthusiast expectations?

you are referring to the p42.8-c...Who the hell ever said they did. you are the one doing the bashing not me.

Re: I'm just suggesting 2-3 weeks wait may give a revised second gen chipset/mobo that although might not be much faster, could potentially erase the current compliants.

Those are your complaints, for all intensive puposes non existant. If you believe the nforce3-250 to be such a huge leap forward, should he not ignor the p42.8-c as well and wait for nforce3-250. sounds fair to me.


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
"Where did you recommend it for today?"

Well, read what I said to him and it's easy to see I did recommend it for today. I won't waste my time to cut and paste for you. But he knows I did not say avoid A64 even today. I just said i can't from expereince recommend a mobo. And I said that soon (mid april) there may be a better mobo for A64. That's very fair when he stated he wants the best mobo.


"No one ever said that but for his situation he's probably better off with a64. Period.."

The period is highly arguable. The probably better off, I won't argue that. If he wants A64 even now, he should go for it. But I never saw you up above give any credit to P4's nor give any credit toward their rock solid high perf. chipsets.

you are referring to the p42.8-c...Who the hell ever said they did. you are the one doing the bashing not me.


"Re: It will be night and day. And the P4-C mobos/chipsets are a clear step above current A64 offerings.

Not in performance not in price not in stability.... so just what are you talking about for the 600th time? remember he is not overclocking so you can't keep bringing up that weak agp pci lock thing."

OK, here you misread what I was saying. Calm down it wasn't bashing your precious A64. I meant either A64 or P4-C will be night and day differences to him going from a PC133 Willamette. He will be totally please either way peformance wise.

"you are referring to the p42.8-c...Who the hell ever said they did. you are the one doing the bashing not me."

Hmm I said admitted fully to A64's pluses and minus, you pushed their pluses. I also admitted to P4=C's pluses and minus, you just attacked myA64 minusus. I hardly see that you gave P4-C and credit at all until just recently now.

"Those are your complaints, for all intensive puposes non existant. If you believe the nforce3-250 to be such a huge leap forward, should he not ignor the p42.8-c as well and wait for nforce3-250. sounds fair to me."

Non-existent? wow I can't see you honestly feeling that way. Unimportant to you, maybe. non-existent, hardly. Again, there is more to the best mobo/chipset than benchie scores. And no, I don't think avaoid i865/875 at all is arguably the same. They are the best platforms for P4. They have more than proved themselves and have been the standard for hardware reviews ever since they were released. They need no improvements at all. Shoot, all I could possible want from i875p/i865pe is for the A64 cpus to fit in them :lol: If you think NF3-150 and K8T800 are just as praiseworthy a chipset and should have been equally well accepted as the NF2 and 865/875 mobos were, you are crazy. If you are so in love with those chipsets and think they are perfect, buy one.


In summary darko, you and P4man are not wrong for pushing A64 for gamers. You aren't wrong for feeling even today he should buy one. Sadly, Our argueing doesn't help him decide. If you guys can give him an A64 mobo that you have researched as stable and problem free, and it has worked great for you, I won't argue one word about it. If he wants that, he should buy it. But You guys started to again in this thread jump on me for not being thrilled about the current A64 mobos. I'm not at alone in feeling this way. You guys are the ones who remove waiting a bit (mid/late April) as a valid option. I do feel your wrong about thinking the current A64 mobos are worthy of being considered great and equal to the talked about Intel chipset/or NF2. I do think your wrong about no improvements in A64 chipsets being needed or even desired.

SO, hope you don't get ticked at the argueing. I do like to make sure all sides are looked at, not just fastest CPU. But unfortunately for Zemuron here, us argueing here about small but important details or opinions, just confuses him.

So recommend A64 and give him your favorite mobo.
Or he can buy an IS7/P4-2.8C or faster
Or he can wait and see what the prices drop to and what NF3-250 has to offer in late April.

All in all, aren't any of those option good for him. We lean different ways on which is best, but aren't they really all good options?

Have a good day guys.




ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
Paul, there is no need to state the same over and over again. We get your point, i would just like you to back it up.

<b>what is wrong with current A64 motherboads ?</b>

-> performance is not it. nForce3+A64 performs better than equivalent priced 865/875 P4 combo's in games, and even lots of other apps, including video encoding (XVID). That it could (perhaps) be even better or will become better is no argument whatsoever. Its the fastest and best price/performance available today.
-> stability is not it. Yes, you MIGHT have to buy matched DDR modules qualified by the MB oem or you MIGHT have to flash your BIOS, but this guy needs new memory anyway, he's got SDRAM. And the same applies to 865 boards as well.
-> features is not it. Any feature you could possibly want is available on A64 boards, besides the AGP lock you don't need if you're not overclocking. OTOH, A64 systems offer some very relevant features your beloved IS-7+P4 do not offer, and that are extremely usefull, also to this poster:
* AMD64 ready, allowing him to play future 64 bit games (Far Cry, UT to name just 2 that will ship THIS year). If this guy could live with a SDRAM willamette until today, I doubt he'll be interested in buying a new computer AGAIN next year.
* Cool & quiet
* extra security through NX.
* Did I mention AMD64 yet ?
None of these features are offered by the IS7, and they are more important to me than an AGP lock.
-> anything else ?

I still don't see it. Its seems your arguments against current A64 boards are based on emotion, dissapointment, but not facts or reason.

Your argument there would be nothing wrong with a P4 2.8C makes little sense to me as well, since there is plenty wrong with it:
->its slower in gaming, therefore, it will be outdated faster. Current games may not need more performance (even though, did you try running Far Cry yet ? how about Splinter Cell Pandora tomorrow MP ?), rest assured the next generation will.
->Its less future proof, will not ever give you the possibility to upgrade to 64 bit windows and 64 bit games, while those might (I say might, I don't know either) give you a 20% performance boost).
-> Its less secure. No NX.
-> Its more noisy and power hungry for low cpu usage. No cool& quiet.
-> Did I mention for the same money, its slower yet ?

In my book, those disadvantages do not weigh up against to benefit of perhaps maybe having a slightly higher chance that randomly purchased memory modules would work without the incredible hassle of flashing or tweaking your BIOS.

But if you like to buy new DDR modules every two weeks just for the heck of it, and you don't dare touch the BIOS, and you don't mind upgrading your computer in 6 or 12 months when 64 bit games flex their muscle, and you don't mind lower performance for the money, nor the fact your fans keep buzzing while emailing.. then I agree, the IS-7 would be a terrific choice for gamers as well.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
WOW there's so much stuff to read and there too much info.

Can someone please just tell me what to buy? Then I'll look at the price and decide if I want to buy.

I just want the best money can by NOW!!!. And who cares if I go overboard. I will be ready for games in the future right?

oh and yes I tried farcry and my framerate drops. Tried SC PT and my framerate drops too. I bought those games 2 days ago. I need a rig.

I might even overclock too to get even more power from my comp.





<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 04/02/04 02:57 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Allright, here you go:
<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1959" target="_new"> AOpen AK86-L</A> ($89)
1 or 2x 512 MB Mushkin PC3500 Level2 or OCZ PC3500 Platinum L (~$90) each
Athlon 64 3000+ ($208)

For ~$400-$500 IMHO you really can't go terribly wrong with this setup.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
anandtech is a very reputable hardware review site.

They just did an article on the best high performance system under $2000 US.

They choose a64 and VIA k8t800 over any intel system does not include the very expensive fx53 or p4ee. Many people don't like VIA because they had a (well deserved) history as a poor chipset maker. But there is nothing wrong with these new boards, they have been out and about for a long time and 0 problems. so don't be fooled by people with grudges from the past. One thing to consider though nforce250 is comming soon a month or so but I don't see it any faster than the k8t800 but if both where available today I'd get the nforce250.

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=2014&p=9" target="_new"> Introduction </A>


<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=2014&p=2" target="_new"> anantech picks via k8t800 and a64 over any intel system </A>


<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=2014&p=9" target="_new"> Highend conclusion </A>


The ASUS K8V Deluxe offers several different advantages and features over other Socket 754 Athlon 64 motherboards that it makes it our recommendation today. First off, the K8V Deluxe's combined performance and price is superb; the K8T800 chipset's outstanding performance combined with features like Serial ATA (RAID), Gigabit Ethernet, IEEE 1394 FireWire, SPDIF, and IDE RAID, among other nice features makes the K8V Deluxe a great high end board for the price. Normally, we wouldn't place a great deal of emphasis on price for a high end system like this, assuming we're not talking over $200. However, for just under $140, it's truly amazing the number of cutting edge features that can fit on a motherboard these days. Of course, this is not to mention the renowned reliability of ASUS motherboards. Having tested the K8V Deluxe extensively, we can assure that you will indeed enjoy a reliable and trouble-free experience for the most part. Overclockers may be especially pleased with this motherboard if they delve into Athlon 64 territory.


If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
Does a harddrive, power supply, cd rom affect performance in games? If it does what should I get?

I have a 52x max cd rom and I don't remember how I can go get info on my hardrive and power supply. Can someone show me how? I have one HD.

I will buy what P4Man suggested.



<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 04/02/04 04:14 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
Not really its more about cpu ram and graphics cards. that is what will make all the difference. Do you overclock your 9700 pro that would make a difference should easily make it 9800pro and its simple and quite safe.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
Probably for raid 0

I use 2 drives in raid 0 but it does not do much for games it probably will speed up some sceen loads (sucking info from harddrive into memory) but playability, framerates won't change.

Raid0 can be somwhat cumbersome to setup and has risks like if 1 drive fails all harddrive info is lost on both drives. Personally I like raid0 windows boots faster among other things but it won't help much in gamming.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart. <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by darko21 on 04/02/04 04:27 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
RE: HD Unless you wanna get fancy with raid set ups etc. Just make sure you've got a 7200 rpm HD. The one's with 8 megs of cache can't hurt. Don't know if I'd pay extra for it though. I'm usually more interested in a 3 year warranty cuz I've had a few fail after one or two years

Re: Power Supply Get a good brand like enermax or antec true power. Look for one with a lot amps on the 12v rail. With the 9800pro etc cards you'll be sure to have good stability when gaming (those cards draw a lot of power)

Re: cd rom. Don't have much to offer here. Anything fairly new s/b OK. I always do complete/full installs of games. AFAIK, the cd's only in there to allow you to play (you know, the thingy to stop illegal game copies). The game itself is on the HD

What kinda HD you got? Open the case and look at it. The one's on my shelf have a label telling the make model # and rpm. Just take it out. It's only a few screws. I don't think Belarc advisor will tell you. Don't know if aida32 will either. But if you don't wanna take out the HD d/l aida32 and sisoft sandra. They may tell you. Here's a link to aida32 <A HREF="http://www.aida32.hu/aida32.php" target="_new">http://www.aida32.hu/aida32.php</A>
and sisoft sandra <A HREF="http://www.sisoftware.net/" target="_new">http://www.sisoftware.net/</A>

Barton 2500+
Abit NF7-S v 2.0
Maxtor 60GB ATA 133 7200RPM
512MB Corsair Twinx 3200LL
9600 Pro
Enermax Noisetaker 420 watts
Win98SE<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Coyote on 04/02/04 04:56 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
What kind cooling should I get for the cpu I'm going to buy? Does the cooling that comes with the cpu work well? Or can I order one seperatly?

phase change cooling(is that a fan?) or liquid cool. Witch one is better for gaming?

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 1.73V
Aux Voltage : 1.79V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.28V
+5V Voltage : 5.08V
+12V Voltage : 12.04V
-12V Voltage : -13.10V
-5V Voltage : -5.20V

Should I get a better power supply? I don't know if my new comp will have enough power from what I have now.

What does raid 0 mean?


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 04/02/04 11:39 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
 
>Does a harddrive, power supply, cd rom affect performance
>in games?

Harddrive, no, certainly not with enough RAM. It does significanlty impact boot time, load times, and general performance though, but not FPS once the game is running and most or all harddisk activity as stopped. If you have a reasonable sized, reasonably fast harddisk, you could just as well stick with it until you need a bigger one anyway. IF you are a using a 20 GB 5400 rpm drive, I would suggest upgrading it as well.

For the CD Rom. Stick with it, yo don't need anything faster for gaming (actually there are just about no faster CDroms and DVD's don't perform better with CD either), but be prepared to buy a DVD pretty soon, because it won't take long until games ship as DVD or DVD only. Having a DVD also beats installing games with 3 or 4 CD's, and its much faster as well. If I where you, I'd wait until I'd had to get one, then buy a DVD-+RW as prices are fairly low already, and likely to drop even further. Not much point in not getting a burner then and be able to make the occasional DVD backup.

PSU: doesnt impact performance at all. However, you'll need a powerfull enough PSU, if its not good enough, it may render your setup unstable or it may even not work at all. Depending what you have, it wouldnt hurt trying, if it works fine, stick with it, otherwise, get a quality ~350W PSU. Don't go for a cheap brand here, but don't waste your money either on ultra high specced 530W supplies. Enermax 350W would be a good, silent and affordable PSU, but odds are good your existing PSU will serve you just fine.

As for several harddisks.. the idea is configure a RAID setup, where you use 2 (or more) harddisks in parallel to act like one to improve performance. Again, this won't impact your FPS, but may help significantly in reducing boot times, and other harddisk intensive operations. Its certainly not a must if gaming is your only focus.

Let us know how your machine works out once you get it.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
>What kind cooling should I get for the cpu I'm going to
>buy?

IF you buy a boxed cpu, it comes with a cooler, and the cooler should be good enough if you'r not a hardcore overclocker. A64's really don't run hot at all.

>phase change cooling(is that a fan?) or liquid cool. Witch
>one is better for gaming?

Neither :) those are hardcore overclockers stuff, phase change is basically a fridge built in your case, allowing you to supercool the cpu to well below 0°C. Expensive, noisy, heavy, and really useless unless you're a hardcore overclocker aiming for the top of the orb.

Liquid cooling is just what the name says, using water and a radiator. Fairly expensive and difficult to install, but quite effective and can be silent as well. However, for a normal gamer, especially with the cool A64, there really is no point in getting one.

>What does raid 0 mean?

Stripe set: two harddisks work together to act like one big disk. Every time you write something to the disks, part part of the file gets written to disk 1, the other part to disk 2. Advantages: in theory twice the transfer rate (both harddisks supply data), so faster, disadvantage: requires two (ideally identical) harddisks , and twice the chance of failures. If one harddisk dies, all you data dies with it.

RAID 1 is mirror, again using 2 harddisks but here one disk acts like a copy of the other. It doesnt bring any performance, but hugely increases the reliability. If either disk dies, you lose nothing, and can continue working. Of course you only have half the disk capacity those two drives would otherwise give you.

Best of both worlds is RAID 0+1, 2x RAID 0 stripe set that mirror each other. You get both the performance and the reliability, but you also need 4 identical harddisks, and you end up with 1/2 the total disk capacity (because of the reduncancy of RAID 1).

There is also RAID 5 which is even better, but not something you'll even want of find on a desktop.

For most uses, 1 drive without RAID really is more than sufficient, but you could consider a RAID 0 setup if you don't mind the increased risk and cost to get better performance if you require a fast disksubsystem.

= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
 
" The one's with 8 megs of cache can't hurt. Don't know if I'd pay extra for it though. I'm usually more interested in a 3 year warranty cuz I've had a few fail after one or two years"

I went from a RAID to a single 40Gigs 7200 2megs cache for my OS...This is the worst move I could have done! Now, it is on a 8megs and it is better...but nothing close to RAID. Yes, it definitively worth it. And as soon as I have money to spare, I'll get 2 new 160 Gigs SATA drive , partition them and move my OS back to the RAID.




-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!
 
I like the OEM Western Digital 8MB cache HDD's because they do perform well, cost about the same as the 2MB drives, and still come with a 3 year warranty unlike the retail ones. Of course a raptor has a 5 year warranty right. But look at the cost. 80GB and 120GB WD 8MB OEMS are a good buy now without doing the retail store mail in rebate route.

ABIT IS7, P4 2.6C, 512MB Corsair TwinX PC3200LL, Radeon 9800 Pro, Santa Cruz, TruePower 430watt
 
Do I need the AOpen AK86-L MB to run the Athlon 64 3000+?

I don't know if I should change my motherboard because I dunno if it affect perfomance, sorry I'm new to this.

This is the info from SiSoftware Sandra on my MB I got now:

"SiSoftware Sandra

System
Manufacturer : System Manufacturer
Model : System Name
Version : System Version
Serial Number : EVAL
ID : 00000000-00000000-00000000-00000000

System Chassis
Manufacturer : Chassis Manufacture
Type : Tower
Can be locked : No
Version : Chassis Version
Serial Number : EVAL
Asset Tag : Asset-1234567890
Boot-up State : Safe
Power State : Safe
Thermal State : Safe

Mainboard
Manufacturer : ASUSTeK Computer INC.
MP Support : No
Model : <P4B>
Version : REV 1.xx
Serial Number : xxxxxxxxxxx

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 5
Maximum Installable Memory : 3GB
Bank 1 - DIMM 1 : DIMM Synchronous DRAM 256MB/72
Bank 2 - DIMM 2 : DIMM Synchronous DRAM 256MB/72
Bank 3 - DIMM 3 : DIMM Synchronous DRAM 256MB/72
Bank 4 - DDR 1 : Empty
Bank 5 - DDR 2 : Empty

Chipset 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc 82845 Brookdale Host-Hub Interface Bridge (A3-step)
Bus(es) : AGP PCI IMB USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 101MHz (404MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 4x 100MHz / 1x 133MHz
Width : 64-bit
IO Queue Depth : 12 request(s)

Chipset 1 Hub Interface
Type : Hub-Interface
Version : 1.00
Number of Ports : 1
Width : 8-bit
Full Duplex : Yes
Multiplier : 1/1x
Speed : 4x 66MHz (264MHz data rate)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 128MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Bank 1 : 128MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Bank 2 : 256MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Bank 4 : 256MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Speed : 1x 134MHz (134MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 4/3x
Width : 64-bit
Refresh Rate : 7.80µs
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

APIC 1
Version : 2.00
Speed : 16MHz
Multiplier : 1/2x
Maximum Interrupts : 24
IRQ Handler Engaged : Yes
Enhanced Support : Yes

Environment Monitor 1
Model : Winbond W83782D SMB
Version : 3.01
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 37.0°C / 98.6°F
CPU Temperature : 52.5°C / 126.5°F

Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
CPU Fan Speed : 3971rpm

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 1.73V
Aux Voltage : 1.79V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.34V
+5V Voltage : 5.08V
+12V Voltage : 12.04V
-12V Voltage : -13.10V
-5V Voltage : -5.20V

AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.00
Speed : 4x 66MHz (264MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/2x
Fast-Writes Enabled : Yes
Side Band Enabled : Yes
Aperture Size : 64MB

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.20
Number of Bridges : 2
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (33MHz)
PCI Bus 2 : PCI (33MHz)
Multiplier : 1/3x

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Intel Corporation 82801BA (ICH2) LPC Interface Controller
ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes
Random Number Generator Enabled : No
Random Number Generator Support : Yes
Delayed Transaction Supported : Yes
Delayed Transaction Enabled : No

USB Controller 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc 82801BA/BAM (ICH2/ICH2-M) USB Universal Host Controller
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc 82801BA/BAM (ICH2/ICH2-M) USB Universal Host Controller
Version : 1.10
Interface : UHCI
Channels : 2
Speed : 48MHz
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

FireWire/1394 Controller 1
Model : Creative Labs Audigy 2 Firewire Controller
Version : 1.10
Interface : OHCI
Enhanced Support : No
Channels : 64
Speed : 400MHz

System SMBus Controller 1
Model : Intel 801xx SMBus
Version : 1.02
Slave Device Enabled : Yes
Speed : 16kHz

Expansion Slot(s)
PCI 1 (1h) : PCI 32-bit PME Half-Length Used (Intel Corporation 82845 Brookdale Host-AGP Bridge (A3-step))
PCI 2 (2h) : PCI 32-bit PME Half-Length Available
PCI 3 (3h) : PCI 32-bit PME Half-Length Available
PCI 4 (4h) : PCI 32-bit PME Half-Length Available
PCI 5 (5h) : PCI 32-bit PME Half-Length Used
PCI 6 (6h) : PCI 32-bit PME Half-Length Available

Port Connector
PRIMARY IDE/HDD : None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE/HDD : None - ATA / None
FLOPPY : None - Floppy Disk / None
USB1 : USB - None / USB
USB2 : USB - None / USB
PS/2 Keybaord : Keyboard - None / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse : Mouse - None / PS/2
Parallel Port : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - None / DB-25 pin female
Serial Port 1 : Serial Port 16550 - None / DB-9 pin male
Serial Port 2 : Serial Port 16550 - None / DB-9 pin male
Joystick Port : Joystick - None / DB-15 pin female
MIDI Port : MIDI - None / DB-15 pin female
Line In Jack : Audio - None / Mini-jack
Video Port : Video - None / Mini-jack

Performance Tips
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2511 : Some memory slots are free so the memory can be easily upgraded.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip."

Is my MB crap??? I think so, not sure.
 
Yes you need a new motherboard such as the one p4-man recommened. No it will not work in your old board.



If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
Yes it will,

Do you have a friend to help you set this thing up?

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
Seems like this is your first time building a computer so it's always nice to have someone around who has done it before.

If I glanced at a spilt box of tooth picks on the floor, could I tell you how many are in the pile. Not a chance, But then again I don't have to buy my underware at Kmart.
 
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