Upgrading To Norton AV 2005

[SteveR]

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"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
news:4261C227.AD0549C7@ddress.com...
> SteveR wrote:
>>
>> "Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:4261BB89.35B00F4A@ddress.com...
>> > SteveR wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>> >> newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>> >> > Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>> >> > definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>> >> >
>> >> > My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME.
>> >> > Has
>> >> > anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am
>> >> > concerned
>> >> > that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in
>> >> > posts
>> >> > about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's
>> >> > always
>> >> > zipped along pretty good).
>> >> >
>> >> > I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>> >> > doesn't
>> >> > 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to
>> >> > install
>> >> > properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T
>> >> > get
>> >> > 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>> >> > including
>> >> > the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV
>> >> > 2000
>> >> > to
>> >> > uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>> >> >
>> >> > I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>> >> > opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>> >> > computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>> >> >
>> >> > Marilyn B.
>> >> >
>> >> Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>> >
>> > There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>> > *no* affiliation with MS.
>> >
>> > Notan
>>
>> Great, you shouldn't bash Microsoft when your running windows yourself.
>> Your Newsgroup addy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
>> Now if you where running Linux or a MAC it would be different.
>
> I'm not bashing MS, just pointing out that an anti-virus program
> doesn't have to be on MS's "list" in order to be good.
>
> Notan

Agreed, plenty of other brands available.

SteveR

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:46:38 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Mark, I tried to answer Jad's question regarding not being able to get
>>on line because of a virus. Yes, there are some very good online
>>antivirus scanners, but you may need to use a dos scanner if you can't
>>get on the internet.
>>
>
>
> Yes, you may need to. As soon as you get online, you may want to use
> the online one too.
>
>
>>With Netscape I don't need to setup a filter, the browser has a little
>>button to click when you want the email to become junk mail (spam) click
>>it and off it goes into the trash folder.
>
>
> OK. The filter makes it automatic. People have different preferences
> about what they want to use. Actually, you'd need both. A filter that
> won't delete anything important, will let some spam through.

No, NS put into the trash but does not delete it until you do. If
something slips through, you then can right click the email and choose
menu "mark - not as junk". Quick and easy.
>
>
>> Out of sometimes 60 emails 30
>>or 40 of them go right into the delete folder.
>>
>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:37 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I always make a boot disk even with XP. You can download a free dos
>>>>virus program, "F-Prot Antivirus" at
>>>>http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/pc/download.htm
>>>>Prepare the floppy disks as instructed. Try to keep it current.
>>>
>>>
>>>That has some of the same advantages as the online scanner I posted
>>>about. How about using BOTH (your floppy and the online scanner) for
>>>extra security?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I had
>>>>to use this for my nephews computer. I haven't got a virus in many many
>>>>years. Being careful about web sites and not opening emails you are not
>>>>familiar with.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That's why I say don't use Outlook Express. By default, it opens them
>>>for you. Although text is harmless, HTML is a common carrier of
>>>viruses, etc. (as another poster said) you CAN turn HTML off, but are
>>>you sure it's REALLY, COMPLETELY off and will stay off? It'd be safer
>>>to use a program that doesn't support HTML.
>>>
>>>Being careful does make a lot of difference. The only infection I've
>>>had in several years was spyware from a mistakenly opened HTML
>>>attachment. I have had a few viruses detected, but they were always
>>>contained in unopened attachments. Even that infection did little
>>>harm, since I had a good firewall and understood a few things. The
>>>firewall put up a dialog box with something like this "Program 'adbot'
>>>it attempting to open a TCP connection to http://www.adscamserv.com on
>>>port 25 (SMTP). Do you want to allow this?". Port 25 is used for
>>>sending email, and ONLY your email program (or virus scanner if it
>>>checks email) should use this port. My email program is definately NOT
>>>called "adbot", so the obvious response here is NO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>My ISP (Cox Cable) and I know that AT&T check emails for virus before
>>>>they put them through.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have Cox too (cox.net rather than cox-internet.com). It also detects
>>>some spam and puts "-- spam --" on the subject line so it's easy to
>>>set up a filter. I checked it for several months and found no "false
>>>negatives".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I use Netscape Browser.
>>>
>>>
>>>That used to be good, but people have been saying it's getting bloated
>>>and contains adware. How about Firefox?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I also have Norton's
>>>>2003 virus program which also checks my emails and since I'm networked I
>>>>use Norton's 2003 Personal Firewall.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Another thing (Norton) that used to be good. Like Compaq.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>JAD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
>>>>>the net?(kills Winsock)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>>>>>newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>>>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>>
>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>>>>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>>>>now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Mark Lloyd
>>>>>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>>>>>>have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>>>>>>contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:12:23 GMT, "Allen L." <notvalid@notvalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>snipped<<
>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>
>>>In newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com,
>>>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> typed:
>>
>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>now.
>>
>>But you won't have real time protection which catches probably 99% of
>>viruses.
>
> I use intelligence and knowledge for that.

And you're infallible? I hear there's a job opening in Rome for a fellow
with that skill?

> They have been very sucessful.

Indeed, but are they perfect?

 

[Guest]

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SteveR wrote:
> "Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
> news:4261BB89.35B00F4A@ddress.com...
>
>>SteveR wrote:
>>
>>>"Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>>>newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>>>
>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>
>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>
>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>doesn't
>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>>>>including
>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>to
>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>
>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>
>>>Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>>
>>There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>>*no* affiliation with MS.
>>
>>Notan
>
> Great, you shouldn't bash Microsoft when your running windows yourself.
> Your Newsgroup addy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
> Now if you where running Linux or a MAC it would be different.

What sort of bizarre logic is this?

 

[Guest]

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:39:57 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:

>
>
>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:46:38 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark, I tried to answer Jad's question regarding not being able to get
>>>on line because of a virus. Yes, there are some very good online
>>>antivirus scanners, but you may need to use a dos scanner if you can't
>>>get on the internet.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, you may need to. As soon as you get online, you may want to use
>> the online one too.
>>
>>
>>>With Netscape I don't need to setup a filter, the browser has a little
>>>button to click when you want the email to become junk mail (spam) click
>>>it and off it goes into the trash folder.
>>
>>
>> OK. The filter makes it automatic. People have different preferences
>> about what they want to use. Actually, you'd need both. A filter that
>> won't delete anything important, will let some spam through.
>
>No, NS put into the trash but does not delete it until you do. If
>something slips through, you then can right click the email and choose
>menu "mark - not as junk". Quick and easy.

Normally true. Of course, you'd be looking at it then. Something you
should probably do, at least until you're sure that only junk is being
sorted this way. Then, you can change the filter to make it delete
automatically.

>>
>>
>>> Out of sometimes 60 emails 30
>>>or 40 of them go right into the delete folder.
>>>
>>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:37 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I always make a boot disk even with XP. You can download a free dos
>>>>>virus program, "F-Prot Antivirus" at
>>>>>http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/pc/download.htm
>>>>>Prepare the floppy disks as instructed. Try to keep it current.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That has some of the same advantages as the online scanner I posted
>>>>about. How about using BOTH (your floppy and the online scanner) for
>>>>extra security?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I had
>>>>>to use this for my nephews computer. I haven't got a virus in many many
>>>>>years. Being careful about web sites and not opening emails you are not
>>>>>familiar with.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's why I say don't use Outlook Express. By default, it opens them
>>>>for you. Although text is harmless, HTML is a common carrier of
>>>>viruses, etc. (as another poster said) you CAN turn HTML off, but are
>>>>you sure it's REALLY, COMPLETELY off and will stay off? It'd be safer
>>>>to use a program that doesn't support HTML.
>>>>
>>>>Being careful does make a lot of difference. The only infection I've
>>>>had in several years was spyware from a mistakenly opened HTML
>>>>attachment. I have had a few viruses detected, but they were always
>>>>contained in unopened attachments. Even that infection did little
>>>>harm, since I had a good firewall and understood a few things. The
>>>>firewall put up a dialog box with something like this "Program 'adbot'
>>>>it attempting to open a TCP connection to http://www.adscamserv.com on
>>>>port 25 (SMTP). Do you want to allow this?". Port 25 is used for
>>>>sending email, and ONLY your email program (or virus scanner if it
>>>>checks email) should use this port. My email program is definately NOT
>>>>called "adbot", so the obvious response here is NO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My ISP (Cox Cable) and I know that AT&T check emails for virus before
>>>>>they put them through.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have Cox too (cox.net rather than cox-internet.com). It also detects
>>>>some spam and puts "-- spam --" on the subject line so it's easy to
>>>>set up a filter. I checked it for several months and found no "false
>>>>negatives".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I use Netscape Browser.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That used to be good, but people have been saying it's getting bloated
>>>>and contains adware. How about Firefox?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I also have Norton's
>>>>>2003 virus program which also checks my emails and since I'm networked I
>>>>>use Norton's 2003 Personal Firewall.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Another thing (Norton) that used to be good. Like Compaq.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Joan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>JAD wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
>>>>>>the net?(kills Winsock)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>>>>>>newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>>>>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>>>
>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>>>>>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>>>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>>>>>now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Mark Lloyd
>>>>>>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>>>>>>>have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>>>>>>>contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:13:04 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
<Sparky@spartacus.galaxy.org> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:12:23 GMT, "Allen L." <notvalid@notvalid.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>snipped<<
>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>
>>>>In newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com,
>>>>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> typed:
>>>
>>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>>now.
>>>
>>>But you won't have real time protection which catches probably 99% of
>>>viruses.
>>
>> I use intelligence and knowledge for that.
>
>And you're infallible? I hear there's a job opening in Rome for a fellow
>with that skill?
>

And you should know that there is no such thing as 100% infallible.
Even with those A/V programs.

>> They have been very sucessful.
>
>Indeed, but are they perfect?

Perfection (the absolute form, rather than just OK) is incompatible
with reality as we know it, and can't exist ANYWHERE (so, of course,
it doesn't exist in A/V software or anywhere else).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[jad]

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>
> And you should know that there is no such thing as 100% infallible.
> Even with those A/V programs.
>
I have never fallen while using an A/V. I slipped once, but I caught myself
before actually hitting the floor.

 

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:27:37 -0600, Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:

>SteveR wrote:
>>
>> "Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>> newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>> > Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>> > definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>> >
>> > My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>> > anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>> > that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>> > about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>> > zipped along pretty good).
>> >
>> > I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005 doesn't
>> > 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>> > properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>> > 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>> > the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000 to
>> > uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>> >
>> > I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>> > opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>> > computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>> >
>> > Marilyn B.
>> >
>> Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>
>There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>*no* affiliation with MS.
>
>Notan

And MS is definately NOT the best source for protection software.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[jad]

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I call Bill on all my software decisions, but now I only get his voice mail
with a suggestion to call Linus Torvald.


"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
news:vhv461ldbup8stp5nae45aebch41q5qfkl@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:27:37 -0600, Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
>
>>SteveR wrote:
>>>
>>> "Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>>> newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>>> > Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>> > definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>> >
>>> > My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME.
>>> > Has
>>> > anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am
>>> > concerned
>>> > that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in
>>> > posts
>>> > about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's
>>> > always
>>> > zipped along pretty good).
>>> >
>>> > I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>> > doesn't
>>> > 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>> > properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>> > 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>>> > including
>>> > the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV
>>> > 2000 to
>>> > uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>> >
>>> > I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>> > opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>> > computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>> >
>>> > Marilyn B.
>>> >
>>> Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>>
>>There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>>*no* affiliation with MS.
>>
>>Notan
>
> And MS is definately NOT the best source for protection software.
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:52:29 -0400, "SteveR" <nospam@nospam.nospam>
wrote:

>
>"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
>news:4261BB89.35B00F4A@ddress.com...
>> SteveR wrote:
>>>
>>> "Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>>> newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>>> > Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>> > definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>> >
>>> > My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>> > anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>> > that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>> > about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>> > zipped along pretty good).
>>> >
>>> > I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>> > doesn't
>>> > 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>> > properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>> > 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>>> > including
>>> > the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>> > to
>>> > uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>> >
>>> > I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>> > opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>> > computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>> >
>>> > Marilyn B.
>>> >
>>> Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>>
>> There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>> *no* affiliation with MS.
>>
>> Notan
>
>Great, you shouldn't bash Microsoft when your running windows yourself.
>Your Newsgroup addy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
>Now if you where running Linux or a MAC it would be different.
>
>SteveR
>

Software use does not prevent honesty. In many cases MS is inferior.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:14:25 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
<Sparky@spartacus.galaxy.org> wrote:

>SteveR wrote:
>> "Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:4261BB89.35B00F4A@ddress.com...
>>
>>>SteveR wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>>>>newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>>>>
>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>>
>>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>>>>>including
>>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>>to
>>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>>
>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>
>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>
>>>>Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>>>
>>>There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>>>*no* affiliation with MS.
>>>
>>>Notan
>>
>> Great, you shouldn't bash Microsoft when your running windows yourself.
>> Your Newsgroup addy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
>> Now if you where running Linux or a MAC it would be different.
>
>What sort of bizarre logic is this?

I've seen this many times. It's stupid error-enhancing logic, used to
maintain and perpetuate wrongdoing.

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:56:36 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
wrote:

>
>>
>> And you should know that there is no such thing as 100% infallible.
>> Even with those A/V programs.
>>
> I have never fallen while using an A/V. I slipped once, but I caught myself
>before actually hitting the floor.
>
>

A case of a very limited sample.

I've never heard of anyone dying while using a personal computer.
Maybe someone would consider this to be proof that computer use leads
to immortality.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:23:51 -0500, Fred <flawton@homeplace.noemail>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:14:25 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
><Sparky@spartacus.galaxy.org> wrote:
>
>>SteveR wrote:
>>> "Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4261BB89.35B00F4A@ddress.com...
>>>
>>>>SteveR wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>>>>>>including
>>>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>>
>>>>>Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>>There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>>>>*no* affiliation with MS.
>>>>
>>>>Notan
>>>
>>> Great, you shouldn't bash Microsoft when your running windows yourself.
>>> Your Newsgroup addy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
>>> Now if you where running Linux or a MAC it would be different.
>>
>>What sort of bizarre logic is this?
>
>I've seen this many times. It's stupid error-enhancing logic, used to
>maintain and perpetuate wrongdoing.

However, you can benefit from OTHER PEOPLE using that logic (at least
with A/V). This would mean that fewer people use non-MS A/V scanners,
and so fewer viruses will be written to disable them. It's a case of
the best thing to do is what the FEWEST others do.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:53:09 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
wrote:

>I call Bill on all my software decisions, but now I only get his voice mail
>with a suggestion to call Linus Torvald.
>

So, in a few years, Linux will be an inferior system (since it'll be
so popular?).

>
>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>news:vhv461ldbup8stp5nae45aebch41q5qfkl@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:27:37 -0600, Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>>SteveR wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>>>> newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
>>>> > Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>> > definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>> >
>>>> > My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME.
>>>> > Has
>>>> > anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am
>>>> > concerned
>>>> > that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in
>>>> > posts
>>>> > about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's
>>>> > always
>>>> > zipped along pretty good).
>>>> >
>>>> > I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>> > doesn't
>>>> > 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>> > properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>> > 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>>>> > including
>>>> > the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV
>>>> > 2000 to
>>>> > uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>> >
>>>> > I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>> > opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>> > computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>> >
>>>> > Marilyn B.
>>>> >
>>>> Take your pick of 6 different Antivirus programs
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/downloads/default.mspx
>>>
>>>There are some very good anti-virus programs, out there, that have
>>>*no* affiliation with MS.
>>>
>>>Notan
>>
>> And MS is definately NOT the best source for protection software.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lloyd
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:39:57 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:46:38 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mark, I tried to answer Jad's question regarding not being able to get
>>>>on line because of a virus. Yes, there are some very good online
>>>>antivirus scanners, but you may need to use a dos scanner if you can't
>>>>get on the internet.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, you may need to. As soon as you get online, you may want to use
>>>the online one too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>With Netscape I don't need to setup a filter, the browser has a little
>>>>button to click when you want the email to become junk mail (spam) click
>>>>it and off it goes into the trash folder.
>>>
>>>
>>>OK. The filter makes it automatic. People have different preferences
>>>about what they want to use. Actually, you'd need both. A filter that
>>>won't delete anything important, will let some spam through.
>>
>>No, NS put into the trash but does not delete it until you do. If
>>something slips through, you then can right click the email and choose
>>menu "mark - not as junk". Quick and easy.
>
>
> Normally true. Of course, you'd be looking at it then. Something you
> should probably do, at least until you're sure that only junk is being
> sorted this way. Then, you can change the filter to make it delete
> automatically.
I just don't take the chance. I skim through them all. Takes a
second.

>
>
>>>
>>>>Out of sometimes 60 emails 30
>>>>or 40 of them go right into the delete folder.
>>>>
>>>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:37 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I always make a boot disk even with XP. You can download a free dos
>>>>>>virus program, "F-Prot Antivirus" at
>>>>>>http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/pc/download.htm
>>>>>>Prepare the floppy disks as instructed. Try to keep it current.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That has some of the same advantages as the online scanner I posted
>>>>>about. How about using BOTH (your floppy and the online scanner) for
>>>>>extra security?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I had
>>>>>>to use this for my nephews computer. I haven't got a virus in many many
>>>>>>years. Being careful about web sites and not opening emails you are not
>>>>>>familiar with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's why I say don't use Outlook Express. By default, it opens them
>>>>>for you. Although text is harmless, HTML is a common carrier of
>>>>>viruses, etc. (as another poster said) you CAN turn HTML off, but are
>>>>>you sure it's REALLY, COMPLETELY off and will stay off? It'd be safer
>>>>>to use a program that doesn't support HTML.
>>>>>
>>>>>Being careful does make a lot of difference. The only infection I've
>>>>>had in several years was spyware from a mistakenly opened HTML
>>>>>attachment. I have had a few viruses detected, but they were always
>>>>>contained in unopened attachments. Even that infection did little
>>>>>harm, since I had a good firewall and understood a few things. The
>>>>>firewall put up a dialog box with something like this "Program 'adbot'
>>>>>it attempting to open a TCP connection to http://www.adscamserv.com on
>>>>>port 25 (SMTP). Do you want to allow this?". Port 25 is used for
>>>>>sending email, and ONLY your email program (or virus scanner if it
>>>>>checks email) should use this port. My email program is definately NOT
>>>>>called "adbot", so the obvious response here is NO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>My ISP (Cox Cable) and I know that AT&T check emails for virus before
>>>>>>they put them through.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have Cox too (cox.net rather than cox-internet.com). It also detects
>>>>>some spam and puts "-- spam --" on the subject line so it's easy to
>>>>>set up a filter. I checked it for several months and found no "false
>>>>>negatives".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I use Netscape Browser.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That used to be good, but people have been saying it's getting bloated
>>>>>and contains adware. How about Firefox?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I also have Norton's
>>>>>>2003 virus program which also checks my emails and since I'm networked I
>>>>>>use Norton's 2003 Personal Firewall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Another thing (Norton) that used to be good. Like Compaq.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Joan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JAD wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
>>>>>>>the net?(kills Winsock)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>>>>>>>newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>>>>>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>>>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>>>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>>>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>>>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>>>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>>>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>>>>>>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>>>>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>>>>>>now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Mark Lloyd
>>>>>>>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>>>>>>>>have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>>>>>>>>contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

 

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Joan Hansen wrote:
>
> <snip>

Between the top-posting, bottom-posting, and middle-posting,
this thread has become impossible to follow.

What was the question? <g>

Notan

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:53:04 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:

>
>
>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:39:57 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:46:38 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mark, I tried to answer Jad's question regarding not being able to get
>>>>>on line because of a virus. Yes, there are some very good online
>>>>>antivirus scanners, but you may need to use a dos scanner if you can't
>>>>>get on the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, you may need to. As soon as you get online, you may want to use
>>>>the online one too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>With Netscape I don't need to setup a filter, the browser has a little
>>>>>button to click when you want the email to become junk mail (spam) click
>>>>>it and off it goes into the trash folder.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK. The filter makes it automatic. People have different preferences
>>>>about what they want to use. Actually, you'd need both. A filter that
>>>>won't delete anything important, will let some spam through.
>>>
>>>No, NS put into the trash but does not delete it until you do. If
>>>something slips through, you then can right click the email and choose
>>>menu "mark - not as junk". Quick and easy.
>>
>>
>> Normally true. Of course, you'd be looking at it then. Something you
>> should probably do, at least until you're sure that only junk is being
>> sorted this way. Then, you can change the filter to make it delete
>> automatically.
> I just don't take the chance. I skim through them all. Takes a
>second.
>

That's fine. I was just saying that some people would delete then
automatically.

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>Out of sometimes 60 emails 30
>>>>>or 40 of them go right into the delete folder.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:37 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I always make a boot disk even with XP. You can download a free dos
>>>>>>>virus program, "F-Prot Antivirus" at
>>>>>>>http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/pc/download.htm
>>>>>>>Prepare the floppy disks as instructed. Try to keep it current.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That has some of the same advantages as the online scanner I posted
>>>>>>about. How about using BOTH (your floppy and the online scanner) for
>>>>>>extra security?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I had
>>>>>>>to use this for my nephews computer. I haven't got a virus in many many
>>>>>>>years. Being careful about web sites and not opening emails you are not
>>>>>>>familiar with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's why I say don't use Outlook Express. By default, it opens them
>>>>>>for you. Although text is harmless, HTML is a common carrier of
>>>>>>viruses, etc. (as another poster said) you CAN turn HTML off, but are
>>>>>>you sure it's REALLY, COMPLETELY off and will stay off? It'd be safer
>>>>>>to use a program that doesn't support HTML.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Being careful does make a lot of difference. The only infection I've
>>>>>>had in several years was spyware from a mistakenly opened HTML
>>>>>>attachment. I have had a few viruses detected, but they were always
>>>>>>contained in unopened attachments. Even that infection did little
>>>>>>harm, since I had a good firewall and understood a few things. The
>>>>>>firewall put up a dialog box with something like this "Program 'adbot'
>>>>>>it attempting to open a TCP connection to http://www.adscamserv.com on
>>>>>>port 25 (SMTP). Do you want to allow this?". Port 25 is used for
>>>>>>sending email, and ONLY your email program (or virus scanner if it
>>>>>>checks email) should use this port. My email program is definately NOT
>>>>>>called "adbot", so the obvious response here is NO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My ISP (Cox Cable) and I know that AT&T check emails for virus before
>>>>>>>they put them through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have Cox too (cox.net rather than cox-internet.com). It also detects
>>>>>>some spam and puts "-- spam --" on the subject line so it's easy to
>>>>>>set up a filter. I checked it for several months and found no "false
>>>>>>negatives".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I use Netscape Browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That used to be good, but people have been saying it's getting bloated
>>>>>>and contains adware. How about Firefox?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I also have Norton's
>>>>>>>2003 virus program which also checks my emails and since I'm networked I
>>>>>>>use Norton's 2003 Personal Firewall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another thing (Norton) that used to be good. Like Compaq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Joan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>JAD wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
>>>>>>>>the net?(kills Winsock)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>>>>>>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>>>>>>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>>>>>>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>>>>>>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>>>>>>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>>>>>>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>>>>>>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>>>>>>>>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>>>>>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>>>>>>>now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Mark Lloyd
>>>>>>>>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>>>>>>>>>have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>>>>>>>>>contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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its alright the thread is no longer about the update of norton
anyway....lol

"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
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> Joan Hansen wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>
> Between the top-posting, bottom-posting, and middle-posting,
> this thread has become impossible to follow.
>
> What was the question? <g>
>
> Notan

 

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:57:53 -0600, Notan <notan@ddress.com> wrote:

>Joan Hansen wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>
>Between the top-posting, bottom-posting, and middle-posting,
>this thread has become impossible to follow.
>

It helps a lot to have a news program, like Agent, that shows new
material differently (different color) that quoted text as well as
posters who make it easier for such programs to work (such as leaving
a blank line between new material and quoted text).

>What was the question? <g>
>
>Notan

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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Nolan, I don't even remember! :-(
but it was fun while it lasted


Notan wrote:

> Joan Hansen wrote:
>
>><snip>
>
>
> Between the top-posting, bottom-posting, and middle-posting,
> this thread has become impossible to follow.
>
> What was the question? <g>
>
> Notan

 

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> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 08:56:36 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> And you should know that there is no such thing as 100% infallible.
>>> Even with those A/V programs.
>>>
>> I have never fallen while using an A/V. I slipped once, but I caught
>> myself
>>before actually hitting the floor.
>>
>>
>
> A case of a very limited sample.
>
> I've never heard of anyone dying while using a personal computer.
> Maybe someone would consider this to be proof that computer use leads
> to immortality.


I have felt 'younger' since using a computer,,,maybe its just reminiscing.

>
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> Mark Lloyd
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

 

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Gotcha Mark

Joan

<snip>

> That's fine. I was just saying that some people would delete then
> automatically.
>
<snip>

 

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"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
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>
> And MS is definately NOT the best source for protection software.
>

I can only agree whole-heartedly with that sentiment - but hopefully things
are changing!!!

--
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"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:23:51 -0500, Fred <flawton@homeplace.noemail>
> wrote:
>

<snip>

Truthfully, I prefer to view my email filtered at the server and then feed
the small remainder to my AV program for breakfast.



Mailwasher is a wonderful thing. Wow. Come to think of it, I've had MW for
about 3 or more years now. Really have come to rely upon it and then let
AVG scan on the way down.


Stew

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:13:04 -0400, Sparky Spartacus
> <Sparky@spartacus.galaxy.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:12:23 GMT, "Allen L." <notvalid@notvalid.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>>>>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>>>>snipped<<
>>>>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Marilyn B.
>>>>>
>>>>>In newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com,
>>>>>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> typed:
>>>>
>>>>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>>>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>>>>now.
>>>>
>>>>But you won't have real time protection which catches probably 99% of
>>>>viruses.
>>>
>>>I use intelligence and knowledge for that.
>>
>>And you're infallible? I hear there's a job opening in Rome for a fellow
>>with that skill?
>
> And you should know that there is no such thing as 100% infallible.
> Even with those A/V programs.

Of course, but an automated procedure for a task such as this one is
going to be more consistent than any manual one (I include myself here,
of course). By the same token, I make more arithmetic mistakes balancing
my checkbook than Quicken does, so I stopped balancing it by hand > 10
years ago.

>>>They have been very sucessful.
>>
>>Indeed, but are they perfect?
>
> Perfection (the absolute form, rather than just OK) is incompatible
> with reality as we know it, and can't exist ANYWHERE (so, of course,
> it doesn't exist in A/V software or anywhere else).

see above.