[SOLVED] USB 3.0 is a fake data transfer method!

[crossoni]

I just can not understand what is the problem with data transfers with USB 3.0 connection. For the past 10 years I have had 3 different desktops with "USB 3.0 support", but every single computer has failed every single time when I have tried to transfer data through USB 3.0 connection. I have tested with multiple USB 3.0 sticks and USB 3.0 hard drives with no luck. It runs perfectly for the first 3 seconds and then it always gets stuck and sometimes it does not even respond. These are my specs now if anyone is interested:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
MB: ASUS B350-F Rog Strix
RAM: HYPERX Predator 3200MHZ 16GB
PSU: Seasonic Prime Gold 650W
SSD: Kingston SUV400S37240G 240GB
HDD: Seagate ST3000DM008 3TB
OS: Windows 10 64bit
External HDD: Seagate 2TB SRD0NF1

 

[kerberos_20]

well u are living in uefi era now

Z77 board, quite early uefi.

it shouldnt matter if its old or new board, uefi modules (drivers) can be updated anytime

 

[SoNic67]

My motherboard is pre-UEFI (X58) and the add-on controller works just fine:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015JYYZNY/

 

[jeanpaul896]

I just can not understand what is the problem with data transfers with USB 3.0 connection. For the past 10 years I have had 3 different desktops with "USB 3.0 support", but every single computer has failed every single time when I have tried to transfer data through USB 3.0 connection. I have tested with multiple USB 3.0 sticks and USB 3.0 hard drives with no luck. It runs perfectly for the first 3 seconds and then it always gets stuck and sometimes it does not even respond. These are my specs now if anyone is interested:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
MB: ASUS B350-F Rog Strix
RAM: HYPERX Predator 3200MHZ 16GB
PSU: Seasonic Prime Gold 650W
SSD: Kingston SUV400S37240G 240GB
HDD: Seagate ST3000DM008 3TB
OS: Windows 10 64bit
External HDD: Seagate 2TB SRD0NF1

You never show us Hd tune health tab on those drives, no scan for errors NOTHING, pls come back after you do them.

 

[crossoni]

Thanks everyone for the answers, I have at least now concluded that my PSU is not working properly. Earlier I had a problem with it, one of the slots for CPU power did not work. Well now I decided to try again if it works now, but now my PC does not even boot anymore, even though I connect my CPU power to the one slot which previously worked... I took an old PSU from my other old system and now my PC works fine again. My USB3 is still not working though so it's not PSU's fault.

You never show us Hd tune health tab on those drives, no scan for errors NOTHING, pls come back after you do them.

I did not even know about a software like this, I did a quick scan for errors and it shows none. Health is also ok on every hard drive. Is there anything else that I should check?

You could have conflicts if you have more than one USB chipset installed in your system, like the USB chipset on the mobo and the USB chipset in a front panel I/O device like a combo USB/card reader.

How do I check if I have multiple chipsets installed?

I will also try to install the latest chipset (again) and check if I have missed some of the standoffs.

EDIT: I installed the latest chipset drivers and now it successfully transferred my files, even though it got stuck in 60% for couple of seconds. But after the transfer it disconnected itself from my computer... There are no problems when I use this HDD on USB 2.0.

EDIT2: I tested both of the PSU slots from my Seasonic Prime gold 650W for the CPU power with my old computer and it seems to work perfectly with that one. I am so confused, why does it work in my old computer but not anymore on my new one?

 

[13thmonkey]

I just can not understand what is the problem with data transfers with USB 3.0 connection. For the past 10 years I have had 3 different desktops with "USB 3.0 support", but every single computer has failed every single time when I have tried to transfer data through USB 3.0 connection. I have tested with multiple USB 3.0 sticks and USB 3.0 hard drives with no luck. It runs perfectly for the first 3 seconds and then it always gets stuck and sometimes it does not even respond. These are my specs now if anyone is interested:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600
GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
MB: ASUS B350-F Rog Strix
RAM: HYPERX Predator 3200MHZ 16GB
PSU: Seasonic Prime Gold 650W
SSD: Kingston SUV400S37240G 240GB
HDD: Seagate ST3000DM008 3TB
OS: Windows 10 64bit
External HDD: Seagate 2TB SRD0NF1

You never show us Hd tune health tab on those drives, no scan for errors NOTHING, pls come back after you do them.

It won't be important.

 

[SoNic67]

Well, if that's not important, maybe important is that you use an AMD processor and associated board while others on this thread that have functional USB 3.0/3.1 ports (including me) use Intel CPU and associated boards.
Other differences might be related to OS/software used, genuine or not.

But... surely is easier to blame the "fake USB 3" and don't accept any proof that is contrary to your preconceived belief.
Good luck and enjoy your not functional USB 3.

 

[13thmonkey]

Well, if that's not important, maybe important is that you use an AMD processor and associated board while others on this thread that have functional USB 3.0/3.1 ports (including me) use Intel CPU and associated boards.
Other differences might be related to OS/software used, genuine or not.

But... surely is easier to blame the "fake USB 3" and don't accept any proof that is contrary to your preconceived belief.
Good luck and enjoy your not functional USB 3.

I'm Intel, 3rd gen, but Asus also

 

[SoNic67]

Like I said, the differences can be sometimes very hard to find. Conflicts can be well hidden.

An example of things hard to find and make no sense - one of the widest used RAID cards, Dell Perc H310, H710 and others require that two pins on the PCI-E bus to be taped (disabled) if used in a non-server card, otherwise PC won't boot or, on an Asus board, one of the DIMM slots gets deactivated. To me that's crazy how the fist guy thought of that!
http://yannickdekoeijer.blogspot.com/2012/04/modding-dell-perc-6-sas-raidcontroller.html

 

[dudeman509]

Well, if that's not important, maybe important is that you use an AMD processor and associated board while others on this thread that have functional USB 3.0/3.1 ports (including me) use Intel CPU and associated boards.
Other differences might be related to OS/software used, genuine or not.

But... surely is easier to blame the "fake USB 3" and don't accept any proof that is contrary to your preconceived belief.
Good luck and enjoy your not functional USB 3.

My AMD 970 FX platform USB3 worked great, as well as my 3rd gen Intel (Gigabyte/Asus boards respectively).

My 1st gen Phenom did not, but it was a crap processor and a crap chipset.

 

[crossoni]

It seems that my post has been hijacked... Well anyways I narrowed down the fault in my computer and it must be either in MB or CPU. I tested if the other slot in my PSU works, but after I tested it the MB did not display anything anymore, not with or without graphics card. I tested my PSU and GPU with my other builds and they showed no errors. I also took the whole motherboard out of the case and tested it with only connecting power to MB, CPU and GPU. My older PSU was able to turn the computer on, but it did not display any image. My current PSU was not even able to turn the MB on anymore. Well it did turn on randomly when I swapped PSU slots for CPU and GPU power, but now it does not even turn the system on anymore at all. I am going to return my MB and hope that it will solve the problem.

 

[13thmonkey]

Sorry about that, was meant to be saying you are not alone, and with combined symptoms there may be something for you to work with.

It was not your PSU, never could be.

I'm not sure how your swapped cpu and gpu power, at the plug end (rather than the psu end) they are not the same and should not be swapped.

 

[crossoni]

Sorry about that, was meant to be saying you are not alone, and with combined symptoms there may be something for you to work with.

It was not your PSU, never could be.

I'm not sure how your swapped cpu and gpu power, at the plug end (rather than the psu end) they are not the same and should not be swapped.

My text was probably confusing, but what I meant was that I swapped them from PSU end.

Also what do you mean that it was not my PSU and never could have been? Can you explain to me why?

 

[SoNic67]

My text was probably confusing, but what I meant was that I swapped them from PSU end.

That is even more confusing. Do you have modular connectors on the PSU? And you could just swap the CPU and GPU ends? That's bad.
Because, like it was said, the connectors for CPU and GPU are different (pinout).

 

[crossoni]

That is even more confusing. Do you have modular connectors on the PSU? And you could just swap the CPU and GPU ends? That's bad.
Because, like it was said, the connectors for CPU and GPU are different (pinout).

Yes I do have modular connectors. There are 4 slots labeled for CPU / PCI-E connections, and I tested all of the four slots with CPU connection. I always thought that all of the slots are for either of them, I'm going to check from the manual if there is some difference with them.

 

[SoNic67]

LOL... the good ol' RTFM. I don't know the specs of your PSU, but seriously, you should had read that before assuming anything. It might be OK, it might not. Russian roulette

Voltage-wise the CPU and GPU are both 12V, so that's fine. Just not sure if anything else is to be considered (Amps, wiring), that's the manual for.

 

[crossoni]

LOL... the good ol' RTFM. I don't know the specs of your PSU, but seriously, you should had read that before assuming anything. It might be OK, it might not. Russian roulette

From the looks of it, I probably read it. There is no mention in the manual that only 1 slot is for the CPU and the guy in this video also does not mention anything like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTm_V9O78XU My PSU has identical connections, only difference is that mine is Gold version.

Also if only one slot would have been for the CPU, then the Seasonic manufacturers would have made their labeling really really bad.

 

[SoNic67]

Probably you are right then. And you didn't fry your board

 

[kerberos_20]

wwell i have platinum and on mine pcie/cpu are swappable, different cables, same connectors
dont worry, its ok as long u use correct cable

 

[13thmonkey]

Sorry about that, was meant to be saying you are not alone, and with combined symptoms there may be something for you to work with.

It was not your PSU, never could be.

I'm not sure how your swapped cpu and gpu power, at the plug end (rather than the psu end) they are not the same and should not be swapped.

My text was probably confusing, but what I meant was that I swapped them from PSU end.

Also what do you mean that it was not my PSU and never could have been? Can you explain to me why?

Your PSU could never cause a fault condition that would prevent USB3 data transfers, not without other major symptoms such as crashing the moment you put any load on it.

 

[Yogi2367]

You mentioned earlier on that you can't touch the front panel USB ports without getting a shock. My guess would be you have a thin, or bare, wire in there somewhere that is causing voltage, probably 5V, to wander around your case. Typically a common ground would solve the issue and your front panel ports simply would not work. However, computers are not normally built with a common ground in the sense that everything in the case goes to the case ground. The usual wiring of computer components dictates that each "hot" wire has its own subsystem ground, and each subsystem ground is routed to the common ground in the PSU to go back to the grid.
Wandering voltage can play hell with different systems at different times. It's a real ah heck to track down too, because it almost never occurs in any predictable order.
Good Luck.