Question Userbenchmark GPU 0th percentile and NVME 4th?

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I wanna start off by saying, Yes I know userbenchmark is not the best, but 0th percentile??? could this be a sign of improper installation? I just installed the m.2 a few days ago and the GPU a few hours ago.

Here's a link to the bench:
Userbenchmark Test
Let me know if this is normal
 
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Yep, probably, the only limitation I can see is the motherboard. If you wanna get full use of your components you'd be better off upgrading.
What you are seeing now is that it's far more complicated than "bigger number better". There is ALWAYS a bottleneck somewhere and that is the very reason we say to purge that term from your vocabulary. Building a system and what parts you choose depends solely on WHAT YOU WILL BE DOING WITH IT. Right down to the specific titles you play (if gaming). There's always going to be some game that is optimized for AMD/Intel/Nvidia, or that leans heavily on RAM speed, or storage speed. Don't loose the forest for the trees and go off spending hundreds or thousands of monies chasing a moving goal. If you are absolutely unhappy with how your system performs, then by all means upgrade. But if you are concerned with a few fps, or slightly low 1% lows then you should sleep on it. Yes, that drive is constrained by the bus and you paid good money for it, your GPU may be too. But is that 2% performance uplift worth $200 or whatever? That's up to you. What I'd do is take that money, put it away for your next AM6(build) and just play games now.
 
What you are seeing now is that it's far more complicated than "bigger number better". There is ALWAYS a bottleneck somewhere and that is the very reason we say to purge that term from your vocabulary. Building a system and what parts you choose depends solely on WHAT YOU WILL BE DOING WITH IT. Right down to the specific titles you play (if gaming). There's always going to be some game that is optimized for AMD/Intel/Nvidia, or that leans heavily on RAM speed, or storage speed. Don't loose the forest for the trees and go off spending hundreds or thousands of monies chasing a moving goal. If you are absolutely unhappy with how your system performs, then by all means upgrade. But if you are concerned with a few fps, or slightly low 1% lows then you should sleep on it. Yes, that drive is constrained by the bus and you paid good money for it, your GPU may be too. But is that 2% performance uplift worth $200 or whatever? That's up to you. What I'd do is take that money, put it away for your next AM6(build) and just play games now.
Haha I only play simple games like Valorant that can be played on a potato pc. I simply upgraded for the aesthetics alone as of now. I wanted a clean white build with expensive parts which turned out quite nicely. I've had this motherboard for over 3 years and I just so happened to not realize how limited it was 🙁. The only reason currently for me not upgrading is the labor of changing it out. And also now reinstalling OS since I have a bunch of other things on my OS drive as well so I don't even know where to begin with that. Thanks for the advice :).
 
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Haha I only play simple games like Valorant that can be played on a potato pc. I simply upgraded for the aesthetics alone as of now. I wanted a clean white build with expensive parts which turned out quite nicely. I've had this motherboard for over 3 years and I just so happened to not realize how limited it was 🙁. The only reason currently for me not upgrading is the labor of changing it out. And also now reinstalling OS since I have a bunch of other things on my OS drive as well so I don't even know where to begin with that. Thanks for the advice :).
Well, I've said all I can and all that. I am just really pissed that I couldn't find a white 4070Ti when I got mine. Good luck with your (beautifully white) build, may she serve you well for as long as you run her.

*jealous
 
Well, I've said all I can and all that. I am just really pissed that I couldn't find a white 4070Ti when I got mine. Good luck with your (beautifully white) build, may she serve you well for as long as you run her.

*jealous
Haha it's actually quite funny because I walked into microcenter and when I looked they actually didn't have the white one I wanted on display. After asking one of the workers it turned out they had one in the back that they just didn't have up on display, and guess what... it turned out to be the exact brand one I was looking for. How perfect huh. Here's a link to the one I have. I almost ended up getting the ASUS TUF version which in my opinion doesn't look good and is very clunky.
White 4070ti super
 
Oh by the way I just realized but you guys answered my M.2 question but not the one about the graphics card. Is the 0th percentile a sign of it being installed incorrectly or is UBM just not recognizing it correctly?
 
Oh by the way I just realized but you guys answered my M.2 question but not the one about the graphics card. Is the 0th percentile a sign of it being installed incorrectly or is UBM just not recognizing it correctly?
I'd see if you can't get that mounting a little better, look at my comment in your other post about the mobo standoffs. I had a similar issue in my case which was solved by loosening the mobo screws and adjusting the board position (there's often some play), getting the GPU mounting as good as you can. I can't think of a situation where the GPU could be so out of line that it would affect performance without causing other, more serious issues. Confirm using HWinfo that the GPU is in X16 mode. And find a better benchmark suite. Frankly UBM is a slum site and I don't trust them. There's many benches like the stuff from Unigine that are free, or 3DMark for a fee, when testing your GPU.
 
Oh by the way I just realized but you guys answered my M.2 question but not the one about the graphics card. Is the 0th percentile a sign of it being installed incorrectly or is UBM just not recognizing it correctly?
No, you have to realize what UBM is actually reporting.

That 0th percentile is your GPU and SSD, compared to all the others.
That are in native 4.0 ports, and in systems optimized for a good UBM result.

It is not 'broken'.
 
No, you have to realize what UBM is actually reporting.

That 0th percentile is your GPU and SSD, compared to all the others.
That are in native 4.0 ports, and in systems optimized for a good UBM result.

It is not 'broken'.
you're right, people with the same graphics card as me probably aren't dumb enough to still have a pcie 3.0 motherboard :tearsofjoy:
 
I'd see if you can't get that mounting a little better, look at my comment in your other post about the mobo standoffs. I had a similar issue in my case which was solved by loosening the mobo screws and adjusting the board position (there's often some play), getting the GPU mounting as good as you can. I can't think of a situation where the GPU could be so out of line that it would affect performance without causing other, more serious issues. Confirm using HWinfo that the GPU is in X16 mode. And find a better benchmark suite. Frankly UBM is a slum site and I don't trust them. There's many benches like the stuff from Unigine that are free, or 3DMark for a fee, when testing your GPU.
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What am I looking for
 
No, you have to realize what UBM is actually reporting.

That 0th percentile is your GPU and SSD, compared to all the others.
That are in native 4.0 ports, and in systems optimized for a good UBM result.

It is not 'broken'.
This is very important as well, and a reason I like hard data vs. a generated score. It's also very important as USAFRet points out, to understand why. As a PC enthusiast I will dig pretty deep into what makes my hardware tick, I do not expect everyone to do the same. A basic understanding of your PC's various busses and subsystems can often be invaluable, even if you aren't into the nuts and bolts of it like some of us are.
 
With a motherboard change, and trying to keep the old OS, there are 3 possible outcomes:
1. It works just fine
2. It fails completely
3. It "works", but you're chasing issues for weeks/months.

Nothing will "break", but #1 is the least likely outcome.
Just curious, if I were to buy a new MB how would I go about reinstalling bios when I have files on my drive that windows is installed on? I mean I won't lose any data right? just have to reinstall windows?
 
I see nobody's pointed out that you're running two sets of DRAM that are not only different capacity, but different speed and latencies. Non-X3D Zen 3 CPUs benefit from DRAM running 3600 so running 3200 isn't going to help your performance situation (UBM doesn't show what latency it's currently running though you can check it with CPU-Z).

As for video card mounting you should absolutely not have any trouble. I have a 5000D which has had 3 different sized cards in it and haven't had to do anything other than align the screw holes.

The M.2 drive performance seems like it's just being limited sequentially as the random R/W look right. It'd be worth looking at CrystalDiskInfo to see what it's detecting with regards to the PCIe connectivity.
 
I see nobody's pointed out that you're running two sets of DRAM that are not only different capacity, but different speed and latencies. Non-X3D Zen 3 CPUs benefit from DRAM running 3600 so running 3200 isn't going to help your performance situation (UBM doesn't show what latency it's currently running though you can check it with CPU-Z).

As for video card mounting you should absolutely not have any trouble. I have a 5000D which has had 3 different sized cards in it and haven't had to do anything other than align the screw holes.

The M.2 drive performance seems like it's just being limited sequentially as the random R/W look right. It'd be worth looking at CrystalDiskInfo to see what it's detecting with regards to the PCIe connectivity.
We already went through CrystalDiskInfo and found out that the reason it's running slow is because I have PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0, for the case, I think it's the way the motherboard is that makes the holes misalign, I'm not sure on that but It's off, and lastly, the ram and cpu are running perfectly fine so I'm not worried about that.
 
We already went through CrystalDiskInfo and found out that the reason it's running slow is because I have PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0, for the case, I think it's the way the motherboard is that makes the holes misalign, I'm not sure on that but It's off, and lastly, the ram and cpu are running perfectly fine so I'm not worried about that.
You're not getting PCIe 3.0 speeds though you're getting half that so the problem isn't as simple as PCIe 3.0 v 4.0.

How far off was the alignment, because while horizontal stress isn't as dangerous as vertical it's still bad. If it was only off by something like 1mm it should be fine.

Your CPU is going to be the most likely component to bottleneck your new GPU and it will run better with faster DRAM that's just a fact. If you don't want to do anything with that information it's totally fine, but it's something you should be aware of.
 
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You're not getting PCIe 3.0 speeds though you're getting half that so the problem isn't as simple as PCIe 3.0 v 4.0.

How far off was the alignment, because while horizontal stress isn't as dangerous as vertical it's still bad. If it was only off by something like 1mm it should be fine.

Your CPU is going to be the most likely component to bottleneck your new GPU and it will run better with faster DRAM that's just a fact. If you don't want to do anything with that information it's totally fine, but it's something you should be aware of.
I ended up getting a new motherboard anyways since my current one is decently old, that should hopefully solve the pcie 3.0 problem and also the GPU socket problem. I'm okay with my ram being bottlenecked for now until I decide to change to DDR5. Thanks for the info though.
 
I see nobody's pointed out that you're running two sets of DRAM that are not only different capacity, but different speed and latencies. Non-X3D Zen 3 CPUs benefit from DRAM running 3600 so running 3200 isn't going to help your performance situation (UBM doesn't show what latency it's currently running though you can check it with CPU-Z).

As for video card mounting you should absolutely not have any trouble. I have a 5000D which has had 3 different sized cards in it and haven't had to do anything other than align the screw holes.

The M.2 drive performance seems like it's just being limited sequentially as the random R/W look right. It'd be worth looking at CrystalDiskInfo to see what it's detecting with regards to the PCIe connectivity.
3200Mhz to 3600Mhz will only gain a few percent overall, I deemed it not worth commenting on when compared to the other issues OP was concerned with and it shouldn't affect SSD transfer rates at all as this is an SLC cache drive not HMB. Honestly unsure what effect RAM speed would have on HMB. Random Reads/Writes are the heart and are inline with expectation, quite good even. As for the low sequentials without direct access to the system it's hard to know. Their score is only slightly lower than my PCIe Gen 3.0 drive in sequentials, and pretty much the same for randoms, hence not bringing it up. It IS a different drive but same settings in CrystalDiskMark. Could be firmware weirdness on the Sammy drive I don't know (I'd expected it to be faster as well). Could the system use a tune up? For sure! And after the discussion last night I think ju1c3 has a few more tools at their disposal to do just that. Was a good chat overall I think. Anyways, didn't mean to dump on your comment so to speak, but last night I felt it was better to focus the discussion on the core issues rather than the smaller stuff. But since you brought it up OP is now aware (thanks for that) and can take steps on the new mainboard to alleviate the issues. I simply added my thoughts for context, as we did run around the tree a few times on this one yesterday.

 
I ended up getting a new motherboard anyways since my current one is decently old, that should hopefully solve the pcie 3.0 problem and also the GPU socket problem. I'm okay with my ram being bottlenecked for now until I decide to change to DDR5. Thanks for the info though.
FYI: You need an entire new build to support ddr5. New motherboard, CPU and RAM.

I would remove the extra stick and run the matched pair in slots a2-b2 and enable XMP.
 
FYI: You need an entire new build to support ddr5. New motherboard, CPU and RAM.

I would remove the extra stick and run the matched pair in slots a2-b2 and enable XMP.
Yes I know, I bought a dd4 motherboard, not ddr5, Next time I upgrade I'll be going with ddr5. Also I have 4 sticks installed as of now. My XMP is enabled. You think the ram mismatch could be limiting my m.2 speed? damaging my ram? or are you just saying the ram could be held back by that?