Question I'm stuck with a proprietary mobo and PSU, but I want to power a GTX 1060 somehow, pls guide me ?

[sujal06]

so i recently recieved gtx 1060 6gb from my friend , but i cant power it. As it need 6 pin power cable my power supply doesnt have any 6 pin connector plus its only 200 watt power supply.
i have 2 power supplies lying around which i dont know if they are safe or not.
but that doesnt matter as my motherboard from Dell vostro i.e it only have 6pin power , so i cant even replace the power supply.

Then next i thought was to use other PSUs that i have to power only the graphics card but other two too dont have 6 pin connector, now i am thinking of buying sata ot 6 pin or mollex to 6 pin.
But then there's another problem : i dont know if the other PSUs i have are safe at all.

one is 230w 80+bronze PSU - but it doesnt have any molex , it have only 3 sata(all on same wire) connectors
other one is 450watt (no 80+ rating) its small ,it says its built for itx PCs , it have 2 mollex and 3 sata connectors - (on 1 wire 2 sata and 1 mollex and on other wire 2 mollex and 1 wire).
please guide me i feel totally hopeless her , dont know what should i do (ik simplest solution is to just buy a new mother board and PSU, but i can afford to buy anything )

btw image of 450W PSU

 

[General_Cool]

sata ot 6 pin or mollex to 6 pin

! PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS ! YOU WILL BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN !

Please do not use an old, sketchy, cheap power supply. This is the one PC component that you should never under any circumstances cheap out on. Please supply your PC's components and budget for a PSU and I'll find you a safe and reliable power supply to buy.

I know you said you don't have money, so I'd suggest starting by selling both of those fire/explosion hazards on Ebay (they don't charge for listings) that way you can get at least some money to put towards a new PSU.

 

[sujal06]

! PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS ! YOU WILL BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN !

Please do not use an old, sketchy, cheap power supply. This is the one PC component that you should never under any circumstances cheap out on. Please supply your PC's components and budget for a PSU and I'll find you a safe and reliable power supply to buy.

I know you said you don't have money, so I'd suggest starting by selling both of those fire/explosion hazards on Ebay (they don't charge for listings) that way you can get at least some money to put towards a new PSU.

my pc is Dell Vostro 3471, it has proprietary 200W PSU so it can't be replaced with a bigger one.
So first of all is it safe to use another PSU to power GPU only?(assume this psu have 6 pin connector)

ok so its possible for me to sell them ebay, i thought nobody wants to buy these silver no brand PSUs , i have some lying around for no reason.

since i am literally low on money i cant even give you a budget , but please find me one cheapest and safe PSU that can power gtx 1060,

also i saw this one on Facebook market place , it shows it have 6 pin connector but dont know if its safe ,
ant esports VS600 for rs1600(19.3$) gigabyte pw400 for rs1400(16.9$)

 

[General_Cool]

so first of all is it safe to use another PSU to power GPU only?(assume this psu have 6 pin connector)

This will not work because the GPU also gets power via the PCIE slot. You will have to replace the entire power supply.

ok so its possible for me to sell them ebay, i thought nobody wants to buy these silver no brand PSUs , i have some lying around for no reason.

You would be surprised who buys what. I'm always shocked when I see boards that are literally burnt selling for $100 bucks. People will buy anything.

since i am literally low on money i cant even give you a budget , but please find me one cheapest and safe PSU that can power gtx 1060,

I'm afraid there is not much I can do. Your Dell comes with a proprietary power supply. Your best option would be to purchase a power supply (such as the Thermaltake Toughpower GX2) and either plug in the 6 pin and see if the PC turns on and works (would not recommend, this is not safe!) or take out the old power supply and see if the cables on the new PSU fit the headers on your motherboard (they may not due to Dell proprietary garbage), then you could just put the PSU next to the PC and run the cables inside. Won't be pretty but at least it would work!

also i saw this one on Facebook market place , it shows it have 6 pin connector but dont know if its safe ,
ant esports VS600 for rs1600(19.3$) gigabyte pw400 for rs1400(16.9$)

Don't buy used power supplies unless they are for a proprietary system that will not fit anything besides a specific power supply.

 

[boxofstuff123]

You might be able to reshell the CPU, ram ,mb and disk into a cheap ATX case.

You will need to be careful and check your MB in the dell isn't reversed or something.

Then you can install a PSU of your choice.
Usually there are budget cases with PSUs for not alot of money.

 

[ThomasKinsley]

You're in an unenviable situation of trying to make impossible parts work. If you're willing to risk it all, then you might want to look into other Vostro PSU's that might fit in your case and have a 6pin. Something like a Dell Inspiron 3020 Vostro PSU which is 460W and has a 6 pin, but you must do the research to ensure it's compatible and accept that in the end it might not work. And by not work I mean a dead PSU and potentially a dead PC.

 

[bill001g]

You have to be very careful about reading the "watt" numbers. If you look at that power supply less than half of the 450 watts is delivered at 12 volts. This was really common on older computers that need lots of power on 5 and 3.3 volts for things like hard drives. Now days almost all the power usage is 12 volts.

Now if you are willing to risk damaging your equipment you can hack together multiple power supplies. It was common to do this on crypto mining rigs that had many GPU in a single machines. It all depends on if you can really trust those power supplies to really deliver the rated power. The lower cost the power supply the more you need to be suspect of those numbers.

Now would I do this ?. Maybe but I also have a degree in electrical engineering with a lot of background in dc power systems. You need to carefully look at all the specs and be sure you have the proper voltages and amps and know how much power each power supply can actually produce.

This is a hard question when you do not have the money to do this in a more standard way.

 

[sujal06]

You have to be very careful about reading the "watt" numbers. If you look at that power supply less than half of the 450 watts is delivered at 12 volts. This was really common on older computers that need lots of power on 5 and 3.3 volts for things like hard drives. Now days almost all the power usage is 12 volts.

Now if you are willing to risk damaging your equipment you can hack together multiple power supplies. It was common to do this on crypto mining rigs that had many GPU in a single machines. It all depends on if you can really trust those power supplies to really deliver the rated power. The lower cost the power supply the more you need to be suspect of those numbers.

Now would I do this ?. Maybe but I also have a degree in electrical engineering with a lot of background in dc power systems. You need to carefully look at all the specs and be sure you have the proper voltages and amps and know how much power each power supply can actually produce.

This is a hard question when you do not have the money to do this in a more standard way.

so if i use the original psu(200w) in dell vostro for powering cpu,mobo ,ssd,ram
and another 230w psu just to power gpu
will this setup work?
(i am not at home will reply again with pic of both psus)

 

[sujal06]

This will not work because the GPU also gets power via the PCIE slot. You will have to replace the entire power supply.

i mean gpu is getting power from pcie slot(which is powered by 200w proprietary psu) and rest of power from another psu (through 6 pin) and that other psu will power gpu only nothing else

Your best option would be to purchase a power supply (such as the Thermaltake Toughpower GX2) and either plug in the 6 pin and see if the PC turns on and works (would not recommend, this is not safe!)

you mean getting new power supply and then using 24 pin to 6 pin adapter to power proprietary motherboard? i thought about this as well but 24 pin to 6 pin felt more dangerous than doing mollex to 6pin gpu adapter.

 

[bill001g]

In general it should work. It all really depend on how much power the video card is drawing from the PCIE slot and if the proprietary motherboard is providing the standard amount of power on the PCIE slot.

Most PCIE slots can provide 75 watts of power. That is actually a large percentage of your 200 watts so be very sure that the motherboard is actually supports this. There are some proprietary motherboards that only for example supply 25 watts.

You are going to have to read all the fine print. Be sure you read the specs on your video card and see how much power it draws from the 6 pin connectors and how much power it draws through the pcie slot. Then check your motherboard to see if there are any restrictions on video cards, in particular if there is a limit to how much power a video card can draw.

Things are much easier when you just buy things that are designed to work together. When you try to hack things you have to really dig into details to be sure it will work.

 

[General_Cool]

i mean gpu is getting power from pcie slot(which is powered by 200w proprietary psu) and rest of power from another psu (through 6 pin) and that other psu will power gpu only nothing else

you mean getting new power supply and then using 24 pin to 6 pin adapter to power proprietary motherboard? i thought about this as well but 24 pin to 6 pin felt more dangerous than doing mollex to 6pin gpu adapter.

No no, I meant plug in the six pin, since that power supply is actually quality and comes with a 6 pin connector.

Like I said, if I were you, I'd buy a new power supply (like the one I recommended, it is a quality unit for a good price), and plug as many things from that new power supply into the motherboard as possible. You may find some things are proprietary and just cannot be powered by anything except the included power supply, in which case you can use the old power supply for those things only.

You are fighting an uphill battle right now. It sounds like you are a kid with not a lot of access to making money or buying new parts. We were all there at one time and I understand the struggle. It may be best for now to just deal with what you have and ask your parents if they can help you find a job so you can build an actual good PC. You would be surprised at how good of a PC you can build for $150-$200 bucks.

 

[sujal06]

No no, I meant plug in the six pin, since that power supply is actually quality and comes with a 6 pin connector.

Like I said, if I were you, I'd buy a new power supply (like the one I recommended, it is a quality unit for a good price), and plug as many things from that new power supply into the motherboard as possible. You may find some things are proprietary and just cannot be powered by anything except the included power supply, in which case you can use the old power supply for those things only.

You are fighting an uphill battle right now. It sounds like you are a kid with not a lot of access to making money or buying new parts. We were all there at one time and I understand the struggle. It may be best for now to just deal with what you have and ask your parents if they can help you find a job so you can build an actual good PC. You would be surprised at how good of a PC you can build for $150-$200 bucks.

hi
thanks for the advice , now my current situation is , after saving some money

i bought Coolermaster MWE V2 450w -230V PSU.
and its working fine and even able to test my gpu that too working fine.

Now the only problem remains is how do i use this psu with my dell vostro 3471 PC

the solution i can think of is
to buy Add2PSU board and then use coolermaster psu as second psu to power the gpu only.
but the doubt i have is i read some articles they said things about multi rail, resistance etc .
and if check both dell proprietary psu and coolermaster psu , i found that dell psu is multi rail , while coolermaster is single rail psu
so i am worried if this solution could lead to damaging my whole system?

also my dell psu had single sata power cable so gonna use sata power splitter and then use one of them in add2psu board.

 

[USAFRet]

hi
thanks for the advice , now my current situation is , after saving some money

i bought Coolermaster MWE V2 450w -230V PSU.
and its working fine and even able to test my gpu that too working fine.

Now the only problem remains is how do i use this psu with my dell vostro 3471 PC

the solution i can think of is
to buy Add2PSU board and then use coolermaster psu as second psu to power the gpu only.
but the doubt i have is i read some articles they said things about multi rail, resistance etc .
and if check both dell proprietary psu and coolermaster psu , i found that dell psu is multi rail , while coolermaster is single rail psu
so i am worried if this solution could lead to damaging my whole system?

also my dell psu had single sata power cable so gonna use sata power splitter and then use one of them in add2psu board.

Please don't do this.

Both the "Add2PSU board" and whatever "SATA power splitter" you're thinking of.

Do not do this.

 

[bill001g]

I have no idea about using these strange power splitting combining cables/adapters. I know the guys that did mining used all kinds of stuff like this.

In theory it should work but the details matter. In a way the concept of multirail is kinda like combining 2 power supplies inside one box.

As a example a dualrail power supply can have 2 12 volt circuits that can so 100 watts each. Now lets say there are 4 cables coming out of the power supply 2 cables are connected to each of these 12 volt rails. This means if you need 200 watts you must find a cable from each rail and say connect that to your video card. If you were to take 2 cable that were connected to the same internal rail the total power you can draw is 100 watts.

These messy details of worrying about which plug is connected to which rail is why most power supplies use a single rail so the end user does not get confused.

If you have a dual rail power supply you are going to have to figure out which cables are on which rails.

It really seems you are determine to do this, I guess I too did silly stuff when I was younger and did not have money. In general if you try to pull too much power from a power supply it will just turn off. Good power supplies have a over power protection that kinda works like a circuit breaker in your house. If you pull too much power it will trip and turn off the power supply. Most times you can just unplug the power supply and it will reset.

If you were to watch some very entertaining video from gamers nexus they were able to actually get smoke to come out of very high end brand name power supplies when they were testing these over power circuits.

So I would be extremely careful, the overpower protection should prevent damage to the power supplies but I would not depend on it. You should not damage your motherboard/video card etc unless you do something really stupid like hook the wrong voltages and grounds to the wrong pins. It is much more likely to make a mistake like this when you are in effect making your own cables. It is very possible to create a short that can damage the motherboard or other device before the protection circuit in the power supply trips.

 

[sujal06]

If you have a dual rail power supply you are going to have to figure out which cables are on which rails.

It really seems you are determine to do this, I guess I too did silly stuff when I was younger and did not have money. In general if you try to pull too much power from a power supply it will just turn off. Good power supplies have a over power protection that kinda works like a circuit breaker in your house. If you pull too much power it will trip and turn off the power supply. Most times you can just unplug the power supply and it will reset.

actually the thing is dell PSU have only 2 wires coming out of it. one is 4 pin CPU power connector and other one is 6 Pin motherboard power connector.
the sata power comes by plugging mini 6 pin cable that have single sata slot into motherboard. and on that sata i plan to use sata splitter.
i guess even tho dell is multirail psu there no wire i am going to connect in anyway to other psu

here's how i am going to do things
1. plant gpu into motherboard.
2use sata splitter on single sata available (which is coming from motherboard not psu!) one sata going into add2psu board and other one to my storage.
3.then add 24 pin from my other psu to add2psu board
4. then plug in 6 pin pcie connector to gpu from my other psu.

this is what i am visualizing

i am hoping the moment i power dell tower, the other psu will turn on as well and feel power to my gpu.

i can send images here if u want to see how things look (like how sata cable is coming from motherboard , not from dell psu)

 

[sujal06]

Please don't do this.

Both the "Add2PSU board" and whatever "SATA power splitter" you're thinking of.

Do not do this.

please tell me why

 

[sujal06]

more context not necessary but will help you understand my situation

i bought a Coolermaster MWE V2 450w -230V PSU.
and its working fine.

Now the problem remains is how do i use this PSU with my Dell Vostro 3471 tower ?

One solution i can think of is to buy an Add2PSU board and then use coolermaster psu as second psu to power the gpu only. (gpu: gtx 1060).

But the doubt i have is i read some articles they said things about multi-rail, resistance etc .
and if I check both the Dell proprietary PSU and the Coolermaster PSU, i found that dell psu is multi-rail while the coolermaster is single-rail. So i am worried if this solution could lead to damaging my whole system?

Also, the thing is the dell PSU has only 2 wires coming out of it. one is 4 pin CPU power connector and other one is 6-pin motherboard power connector. The SATA power comes by plugging mini 6-pin cable that has single sata slot into the motherboard. and on that sata plug i plan to use a sata splitter.

I guess even tho dell PSU is multi-rail, there are no wires i am going to connect to the other psu directly anyway.

so the steps i am visualizing are as follows:

here's how i am going to do things
1. plant gpu into motherboard.
2use sata splitter on single sata available (which is coming from motherboard not psu!) one sata going into add2psu board and other one to my storage.
3.then add 24 pin from my other psu to add2psu board
4. then plug in 6 pin pcie connector to gpu from my other psu.

this is what i am visualizing

i am hoping the moment i power the dell tower, the other psu will turn on as well and feed power to my gpu.

i can send images here if u guys want to see how things look (like how sata cable is coming from motherboard , not from dell psu)

please help , if its correct and safe to do , even tho the simplest solution is to just buy an intel 8th/9th gen motherboard and then use single coolermaster psu to power everything BUT i am broke , so cant buy another 8th gen motherboard now or in near future.

 

[USAFRet]

please tell me why

Because I don't want you to burn your house down.

You're trying to power a GPU with parts there were not made for that.

 

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