Valve Programmer Responds to Steam Greenlight Criticisms

[cypeq]

To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.

 

[cliffro]

Sure were talking about mere seconds here, but from clicking the icon to running, Origin takes about 6 secs. Steam takes about 13secs. As I said mere seconds difference. The slowest part for Steam is logging in. Navigating steam is slow as well.

Just to clarify, I'm not bashing steam at all. I'm just surprisingly defending something about Origin.

 

[psychodegu]

To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.

Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.

 

[cypeq]

To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.

Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.

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What I mean is that it's ready when you want to use it. I guess there maybe some delay issue with huge game libraries is that the case ? i have like 30 games only... and i've never seen any delays when launching steam.

 

[John Bauer-1363825]

To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.

Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.

My Steam starts up offline.. quicker that way to..

 

[John Bauer-1363825]

To me it's funny Steam started as service to bring Counter-Strike players together and provide much better and faster server browser. It was bumpy road to say the least but they succeed. Hands down best server and online game browser I've seen. Now they provide you with not only online games... but this one do not require you to be online outside of activation time. This is as small DRM as you can get. Look at blizzard that tells you to use online service to play their single player games.

What is this talk about start up time of steam it launches in less than 10s and you can have it launch with the system turning that time to 0... so where is the problem. Unless you turn on PC only to play games.

Starting your computer with auto login to steam only makes it start even slower, which is why I turned off the auto log in. I'm not really sure where your getting your information.

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What I mean is that it's ready when you want to use it. I guess there maybe some delay issue with huge game libraries is that the case ? i have like 30 games only... and i've never seen any delays when launching steam.

I think it has to do with with your internet. My internet is about 700kb/s (download speeds) on a good day, it takes about 15 seconds for Steam to log in, online of course.

 

[cliffro]

I think it's the login servers, my speeds are 50 Down/5 Up. I don't know if the library plays a part or not. I've got 142 according to my profile, though not all are installed.

 

[JMC17]

"steam has an offline mode and you can backup your games."

This is so wrong, offline mode requires you to be online. To be exact, you need to login to be able to play in offline mode, so its useless.
You can't play your games if you don't have an internet connection.

The backup you can do with steam doesn't remove the DRM, you still need steam and an internet connection to play your backup games. It just prevents you from having to download the entire game again.

If for any reason Valve decides you're not worthy of steam, they'll take everything you've got and even if you spent 1000$ on games, they will all be unplayable since you can no longer connect to steam.

The best way to see it is "renting". You're actually renting games from Steam and they're nice enough to rent it to you for as long as they wish.
You're not owning the game, its not yours.
It'd be yours if you had the box and the cd in your hands and doesn't require you to be online or subscribed to steam to play it.

Steam is a double-edge blade, sure you get games for much cheaper but they're not actually yours.
When something is too good to be true, it surely is a trap.

 

[John Bauer]

"steam has an offline mode and you can backup your games."

This is so wrong, offline mode requires you to be online. To be exact, you need to login to be able to play in offline mode, so its useless.
You can't play your games if you don't have an internet connection.

The backup you can do with steam doesn't remove the DRM, you still need steam and an internet connection to play your backup games. It just prevents you from having to download the entire game again.

If for any reason Valve decides you're not worthy of steam, they'll take everything you've got and even if you spent 1000$ on games, they will all be unplayable since you can no longer connect to steam.

The best way to see it is "renting". You're actually renting games from Steam and they're nice enough to rent it to you for as long as they wish.
You're not owning the game, its not yours.
It'd be yours if you had the box and the cd in your hands and doesn't require you to be online or subscribed to steam to play it.

Steam is a double-edge blade, sure you get games for much cheaper but they're not actually yours.
When something is too good to be true, it surely is a trap.

First part of this is completely wrong. I can remove my wireless dongle, and steam will tell me "Steam cannot connect to the Internet" and you can select an option that says "Play in offline mode"

I can play any of my non-multiplayer games offline.