Vendors Have Negative Response to Windows 8, Says Analyst

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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Some people wish they had the option to use Chrome or Firefox pre-installed and they get REALLY annoyed and upset that they have to spend all of 30 seconds of their own valuable time downloading and installing it themselves, OUTRAGEOUS!!!...How about you grow up and spend all of 30 seconds downloading ClassicShell and get your Start menu back and have it boot directly into classic desktop...Maybe I can shine your shoes while you wait as well, massa...?[/citation]

Lol ok lets see if consumers feel that way this is always the most dumbest thing i ever hear about metro, For starters Google chrome and firefox is NOT MICROSOFT PROGRAMS where Metro is and they ARE forcing it on all users instead of making a option which i feel is wrong. Sure there is 3rd parties that FIX the problem but isn't that microsoft's responsibility?

Mark my words Tomshardware readers Windows 8 will fail Its not even very attractive looking(i showed so many people) not to many people are going to want this over Android or Apple's OS definitely when their is not a lot of Apps for Windows 8 yet(and current x86 apps wont work well over it since its a touch screen) and no one ever got a Windows phone which looks just like this anyways all microsoft is doing is ruining their only markets left by trying to go into new markets.

Not to mention i had people do simple tasks on Windows 8 as they would on every other version of windows since 1995 and they couldn't do it well which is not a good selling point it doesn't matter if the Geek will know how to do this simple things it matters about the general public.
 
[citation][nom]frombehind[/nom]because its not feasible to run windows 7 on a tablet.[/citation]

Its not feasible to think Windows 8 will when in this market when they can't even win on the Smartphone market. A lot of people buy tablets because they already have a Smartphone with that OS on it but less than 3% of the world uses windows phones which is not good for this OS.
 
[citation][nom]jdwii[/nom]Its not feasible to think Windows 8 will when in this market when they can't even win on the Smartphone market. A lot of people buy tablets because they already have a Smartphone with that OS on it but less than 3% of the world uses windows phones which is not good for this OS.[/citation]
I suspect W8 will run better than iOs, especially Android which is kind of crap in tablets
 
I don't have a problem with Windows 8.

The problem is that for MS and vendors the group of people wanting to pay more than $600 for a laptop is dwindling.

Plus having to upgrade kit to get a better CPU/ram etc. is far less of a concern to the average user now. Most people can get by just fine with a 2006-2007 spec laptop.

 
[citation][nom]jdwii[/nom]Lol ok lets see if consumers feel that way this is always the most dumbest thing i ever hear about metro, For starters Google chrome and firefox is NOT MICROSOFT PROGRAMS where Metro is and they ARE forcing it on all users instead of making a option which i feel is wrong[/citation]
But Windows does come with IE which people want to replace, so to get rid of Metro you install a 3rd party program - wasn't really difficult and you totally twisted your logic there - same applies to Windows Media Centre, preinstalled but people ignore it and download iTunes, Winamp, XBMC
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For the millionth time, METRO IS NOT MANDATORY IF YOU SPEND 30 SECONDS FIXING IT
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Sure, MS wants you to use it, but you don't have to, no MS men will come to your door, put a gun to your head and MAKE you use it
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What annoys me is that every version of Windows released has encouraged users to tailor it to their own personal preferences, but here we are where people are flatout refusing to take any remedial action to customise it to their personal requirements, expecting Microsoft to have done everything for them
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Take advantage of the under-the-hood improvements, use it like a traditional desktop OS, customise it to your requirements and finally stop moaning about it - everything you want is do-able, with less time and effort than you would spend anyway putting your favourite wallpaper as the desktop
 
[citation][nom]jdwii[/nom]and current x86 apps wont work well over it since its a touch screen[/citation]
Running x86 programs in Windows 8, runs them in their native desktop settings, use your mouse and keyboard as normal, no touchscreen is required
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What the hell kind of logic are you getting this notion from? Are you assuming that Windows 8 will force you to run your old programs as touchscreen? DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Running x86 programs in Windows 8, runs them in their native desktop settings, use your mouse and keyboard as normal, no touchscreen is required...What the hell kind of logic are you getting this notion from? Are you assuming that Windows 8 will force you to run your old programs as touchscreen? DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!![/citation]

Chap, just don't bother about it.

I see this increasing phenomena on tech forums re. certain subjects whereby many protagonists appear to regress mentally to that of a 13-14 year old going through late puberty.

The symptoms are -

Inability to read any counterpoint without acting like you molested their mother.
Inability to convey their thoughts in a rational literate manner.
Inability to want to try to comprehend that what they have written makes no sense, is wrong or is irrelevant.
Just wants to act like a baby who has had its rattle taken away.


 
[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]Actually I'd take this report with a grain of salt. If you check out the guys recent articles it seems like he's an Apple man. Not saying he's wrong but I'm sure his opinion, and it's just that, is a little biased.Always consider your source[/citation]
Usually Kevin is pretty straight forward, but he should be giving Business Insider a lot more credit for the article since he did little more than copy their article...
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]But Windows does come with IE which people want to replace, so to get rid of Metro you install a 3rd party program - wasn't really difficult and you totally twisted your logic there - same applies to Windows Media Centre, preinstalled but people ignore it and download iTunes, Winamp, XBMC...For the millionth time, METRO IS NOT MANDATORY IF YOU SPEND 30 SECONDS FIXING IT...Sure, MS wants you to use it, but you don't have to, no MS men will come to your door, put a gun to your head and MAKE you use it...What annoys me is that every version of Windows released has encouraged users to tailor it to their own personal preferences, but here we are where people are flatout refusing to take any remedial action to customise it to their personal requirements, expecting Microsoft to have done everything for them...Take advantage of the under-the-hood improvements, use it like a traditional desktop OS, customise it to your requirements and finally stop moaning about it - everything you want is do-able, with less time and effort than you would spend anyway putting your favourite wallpaper as the desktop[/citation]

For the millionth time you just dont get it! It doesnt matter that you can fix these problems. It matters that Microsoft doesnt want you to fix these issuses! If this release does well than all the following releases will be just as mobile oriented with the desktop as a second tier! And when the quit supporting the desktop, directx and all the 'improvements' they made won't matter, will it?
 


Actually if you checked before you posted you would know that Microsoft put effort into removing the components that would allow that to happen. If I recall correctly they put effort into ensuring that the Metro UI could not be disable. And ClassicShell (back when it was supported) had it's own set of problems.

Your average user just expects to turn it on and work, they're going to put zero effort into make any changes other than the background.
 
How long can we still order copies of Win7 after Win8 is launched? I want to make sure I have enough copies for future builds into Win9 is launched and hopefully fixes the UI mistakes of Win8 disaster. I expect Win8 to be much worse than Vista (I frankly liked Visat after SP2, like it better than Win7 in fact).

People are going to boot into Win8 and after the fun colors initial "cool" reaction goes away they will start getting frustrated and the horrible UI that is Metro.
 
[citation][nom]ddpruitt[/nom]Actually if you checked before you posted you would know that Microsoft put effort into removing the components that would allow that to happen. If I recall correctly they put effort into ensuring that the Metro UI could not be disable. And ClassicShell (back when it was supported) had it's own set of problems.Your average user just expects to turn it on and work, they're going to put zero effort into make any changes other than the background.[/citation]
Classic Shell still works, is it perfect? No. Is Windows 8 out yet? No. When it does come out other programs will follow that are better. I used to use Winamp for everything media related and only in the last 2 years moved over to XBMC. But I am still not going to let what is essentially a totally bypassable annoyance stop me from reaping other huge benefits.
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What Microsoft "wants" and what it can "make me do" are 2 totally different things and the people that shout the loudest are usually the ones that are incapable of voicing any kind of "can do" mentality
 
[citation][nom]daglesj[/nom]Chap, just don't bother about it. I see this increasing phenomena on tech forums re. certain subjects whereby many protagonists appear to regress mentally to that of a 13-14 year old going through late puberty.The symptoms are - Inability to read any counterpoint without acting like you molested their mother.Inability to convey their thoughts in a rational literate manner.Inability to want to try to comprehend that what they have written makes no sense, is wrong or is irrelevant.Just wants to act like a baby who has had its rattle taken away.[/citation]
Yeah, it's called trolling, happens a lot and usually the main offenders wail on they have been here for more than 2 years but a quick check shows usually less than 500 hundred posts in a huge rant over the last 6 months, probably paid Apple or Google employees sent to poison forum opinion and avoid any intelligent discourse - next step is thumbing down then name calling
 
@ back_by_demand: yep, thats it. Everyone here (but you, of course) is just a troll. Win8 is undeniably the best os ever! "I got almost 3 frames per second more in modern warfare 37!" I just dont get why game manufacturers, hardware manufacturers, one of the founders of Microsoft, oh yah, and the general public have to keep trolling about Win8? Dont they know its the best os ever??

Whatever. Ill just be under the bridge, I guess.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Running x86 programs in Windows 8, runs them in their native desktop settings, use your mouse and keyboard as normal, no touchscreen is required...What the hell kind of logic are you getting this notion from? Are you assuming that Windows 8 will force you to run your old programs as touchscreen? DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!![/citation]

Lol guess you never seen a touch screen ONLY device i'm sorry.

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]But Windows does come with IE which people want to replace, so to get rid of Metro you install a 3rd party program - wasn't really difficult and you totally twisted your logic there - same applies to Windows Media Centre, preinstalled but people ignore it and download iTunes, Winamp, XBMC...For the millionth time, METRO IS NOT MANDATORY IF YOU SPEND 30 SECONDS FIXING IT...Sure, MS wants you to use it, but you don't have to, no MS men will come to your door, put a gun to your head and MAKE you use it...What annoys me is that every version of Windows released has encouraged users to tailor it to their own personal preferences, but here we are where people are flatout refusing to take any remedial action to customise it to their personal requirements, expecting Microsoft to have done everything for them...Take advantage of the under-the-hood improvements, use it like a traditional desktop OS, customise it to your requirements and finally stop moaning about it - everything you want is do-able, with less time and effort than you would spend anyway putting your favourite wallpaper as the desktop[/citation]

I think your forgetting the point and that is Microsoft might even come out with Updates to remove that option since they said they don't want people to use it. As for the IE example i'm pretty sure that was just lame as its a program and not a OS which a little bit different.

EDIT also IE is a option as you can turn it off with no 3rd party software.
 
Microsoft fans can say all they want about Windows 8 they can speak and speak but all what matters is what normal people say and if they don't like the OS it won't be successful i can guarantee most people buy their PC's at bestbuy/Walmart and those people will have no idea how to run windows 8 out of the box and i can almost bet anything that most people won't know what classic shell is. But i guess its the user's fault for not knowing that it exists not the Company who is making something the majority of people clearly don't want in the person place.

 


I think your getting it Windows 8 is soooo coool its like a Phone OS on a I7 computer bam. 😀
 
That should be enough of this BS. You are in no way forced to use Metro. Yes, MS wants you to use it, but they're a COMPANY. It's their JOB to want people to use their products. If you don't want to use it, you simply DON'T USE IT. It's very simple. Anyone whining about a company wanting you to use their products doesn't know WTF a business is supposed to do and anyone whining that MS forces you to use Metro doesn't know WTF is going on with Windows 8 and should stop making BS claims and false doom prophesies.

Anyone saying that MS took measures to stop you from installing start menu and other such things needs to get a clue. MS removed the start menu code from Windows 8 because they weren't using it and it was wasted code at that point. They did not and can not stop you from installing your own start menus (I know this because I've done it on every version of Windows 8 and Server 2012 and because I have some damned common sense and know the subject well enough to not be some idiotic doom-sayer).

Start8, ViStart, Classic Shell, and dozens of other programs still let you install a new start menu and many of them also let you log in directly to the desktop instead of to a Metro screen.

What the average person does is simple. The average person doesn't use the start menu in any way that Metro can't do similarly well. They're not power users. Yes, they wouldn't know what those programs are, but the vast majority of them wouldn't need to know that because they wouldn't use them. Even for those who would, they'd find Classic Shell and such in Google/Bing/Yahoo/whatever else just as easily as they find FF and Chrome. If they can find third party web browsers with search engines, they can find other software with search engines. Simpy searching for how to get the start menu back will do the trick for finding such software.

Don't go saying that it will flop over this. Vista only has what, 10, 15% market share, but that's still tens or hundreds of millions of computers running Vista and is most certainly not a flop. 8 is probably going to top Vista because unlike Vista, it's fast, fairly optimized, and much more stable as are most drivers these days.

Also, I say this not ass some MS fan like some of the people here claim. I despise MS as a company. I'm simply not going to start BS about them like any self-respecting person should know to not do.
 


That's a huge load of BS. MS did not add any updates to stop 3rd party start menus. They removed the old start menu code because it was wasted bloat now that it wasn't in use. You can still add in your own. Furthermore, this wasn't done in any update, it was done in a new Windows 8 version. Get your facts strait.
 


Actually, if you checked before you posted you'd know that this is FUD that you're spreading. MS only removed their native start menu code because they weren't using it anymore. You can install your own any time you want. You can install multiple start menus if you want to.

They didn't put much effort, if any at al, into stopping us from disabling Metro and I say that because I can still do it and I have even on the current versions of Windows 8.

The average user wouldn't give a *** and those who would are smart enough to use a search engine just like they did to install Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc.
 


You can still buy copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP new. If you want to buy an older version of Windows because you're too lazy to install a single program to Windows 8 to make it how you want it to be, then you will probably have that option for over a decade to come.
 


A quote from you: "There are no stupid questions, just stupid people." You shouldn't be such a hypocrite. Windows 8 is nothing like any phone OS, only Metro is, a single part of the OS that you are in no way required to use.

Game manufacturers whine about Windows 8 because it is bringing competition for many of them in new distribution platforms. Hardware manufacturers whine because they're being held to higher standards in quality control. The general public whines because they're ignorant of the situation. This is the same sort of thing that happened when 7 launched, most people were completely against it and Vista, yet now they're together the most popular kernel version of Windows. The same thing happened with other MS operating systems such as XP over a decade ago. Some people simply seem to hate change and every day has more evidence for that. They get over it when they have to deal with it as any sane person should.
 
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]For the millionth time, METRO IS NOT MANDATORY IF YOU SPEND 30 SECONDS FIXING IT...Sure, MS wants you to use it, but you don't have to, no MS men will come to your door, put a gun to your head and MAKE you use it[/citation] For the billionth time, why the HELL should I or anyone else PAY for shit we have to fix?!

The typical computer user isn't going to KNOW they can semi-fix Win8 with an add-on that they may or may-not have to pay for... I can see it happening soon, "Win8 fixer-menu" - which is really a Trojan.

Windows 8 in DESKTOP MODE (We have modes) is also butt-ugly boring crap. Office2013 is a sea of white blinding crap. The failures of design and thought shows that MS has NO TALENT.

I just built my new computer, using the store bought $140 OEM Win7Pro 64bit was not given a second thought. No way I would waste $40 on Windows H8TE. Screw Microsoft, screw ballmer, screw the Win8 dev team and their shit-for-brains middle-management douche-bags who thought "this would be a good idea". The Windows platform is going to collapse.

Never in 20 years has Windows "upgrade" been under $100. There is a reason they have the $40 promo... something I could have made use of for my new computer.

TO BUY Windows 8 is to SUPPORT the crap-metro/Win8 whatever. Best way to prove a point is to punch Microsoft in the nose... and the best way to do that is to not pay them a DIME and walk away.
NO Windows 8 sales and NO Office 2013 sales.
 
[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]A quote from you: "There are no stupid questions, just stupid people." You shouldn't be such a hypocrite. Windows 8 is nothing like any phone OS, only Metro is, a single part of the OS that you are in no way required to use.Game manufacturers whine about Windows 8 because it is bringing competition for many of them in new distribution platforms. Hardware manufacturers whine because they're being held to higher standards in quality control. The general public whines because they're ignorant of the situation. This is the same sort of thing that happened when 7 launched, most people were completely against it and Vista, yet now they're together the most popular kernel version of Windows. The same thing happened with other MS operating systems such as XP over a decade ago. Some people simply seem to hate change and every day has more evidence for that. They get over it when they have to deal with it as any sane person should.[/citation]

Um no. People welcomed win 7 with open arms, in fact. Why, because it was an awesome os. People obviously don't feel the same about win8. Why is that so hard to understand? Why no option to choose the desktop as the primary boot environment?
 
[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]For the billionth time, why the HELL should I or anyone else PAY for shit we have to fix?!The typical computer user isn't going to KNOW they can semi-fix Win8 with an add-on that they may or may-not have to pay for... I can see it happening soon, "Win8 fixer-menu" - which is really a Trojan.Windows 8 in DESKTOP MODE (We have modes) is also butt-ugly boring crap. Office2013 is a sea of white blinding crap. The failures of design and thought shows that MS has NO TALENT.I just built my new computer, using the store bought $140 OEM Win7Pro 64bit was not given a second thought. No way I would waste $40 on Windows H8TE. Screw Microsoft, screw ballmer, screw the Win8 dev team and their shit-for-brains middle-management douche-bags who thought "this would be a good idea". The Windows platform is going to collapse.Never in 20 years has Windows "upgrade" been under $100. There is a reason they have the $40 promo... something I could have made use of for my new computer.TO BUY Windows 8 is to SUPPORT the crap-metro/Win8 whatever. Best way to prove a point is to punch Microsoft in the nose... and the best way to do that is to not pay them a DIME and walk away.NO Windows 8 sales and NO Office 2013 sales.[/citation]

Paying for what you have to fix is not a new concept. You do the same with any other Windows system and a lot of other things too.

I won't argue against your point that MS could have done a far better job, they really could have, but you're overreacting to an extreme.
 
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