Vendors Have Negative Response to Windows 8, Says Analyst

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]Um no. People welcomed win 7 with open arms, in fact. Why, because it was an awesome os. People obviously don't feel the same about win8. Why is that so hard to understand? Why no option to choose the desktop as the primary boot environment?[/citation]

Umm, no. Windows 7 was still frowned upon by the majority right when it launched and right before it launched. It did much better than Vista and continued to do so afterwards, but it was still hated on by the majority at first.

IDC what people feel about Windows 8. The majority of the arguments against it are BS. There are problems. Like belardo brought up, even ignoring Metro, its design is poor compared to what it could have been and office 2013 is even worse. However, Metro and the like are not problems. If you want to boot into the desktop instead of the Metro screen, then simply get a program for it like you'd do to avoid using Internet Explorer.

 

[Belardo]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Actually, if you checked before you posted you'd know that this is FUD that you're spreading. They didn't put much effort, if any at al, into stopping us from disabling Metro and I say that because I can still do it and I have even on the current versions of Windows 8.The average user wouldn't give a *** and those who would are smart enough to use a search engine just like they did to install Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc.[/citation] All MS had to do was give people a choice... just like in Win7 or even XP, you can choose OLD-style UI skin and had the same functions.

Me and You have gone over this... no, most people are NOT going to bother. I really hope the stores get flooded with Win8 desktop returns... they will get a lot. Metro sucks, Charms suck, Metro-skin desktop mode is skanky-ass-ugly.

I still have a full-time Win8 notebook... still can't stand it. Tried going cold turkey... Metro is shit. As I've told you, I've run Metro on my Android phone (Launcher 7) which I've enjoyed for almost 2 years. I've since upgraded to a new Android 4.x phone and had NO need to have a reduced function WP8 device. I never cared for Android 2.x. 4.x is very nice... at least on my Motorola.

METRO / Start Screen is functionally useless as the Start Menu, so Why the hell bother? Live "tiles"? who gives a shit? its a start screen/menu - they won't be seen much - if at all. What, someone is going to go from desktop mode to Metro Mode to see what a Metro-App tile is saying? Oh yeah, that is what the TASK BAR with system tray was made for!

Me and you have easily fixed the Win8 problems...
1 - Metro is a 2-column strip on the left side. Mouse wheel makes more sense. The live TILES will be functionally USEFUL. (Oh yeah, MS killed the gadets for Win7/Win8 - lame)

2 - Old-style start menu still there... without the brain-damaged hidden "start button" idea.

3 - Charms... gone (at least for desktop)

4 - Win7 or Win8 PR version 8440 skin... not the 80's crap flat design that people will make people puke.

Windows 8 is designed to fail. The Win8 DesktoptabletPhone ecosystem depends on Win8 x86 being a success. People who hate the Desktop WILL NOT buy the tablets or the phones.

And we've seen how well WP7 has sold in over 2 years... failure. And we already see that MS has orphaned WP7 devices. Its amazing they even bothered.

Windows 8 is still worthless and has been made pirate proof because the majority of people DON'T want it.

We'll know in 3~6 months how badly MS screwed up. The numbers don't look good. And the vendors are dreaming if they think Win8 will "catch on" in 6~9 months.

 

[Belardo]

[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]Um no. People welcomed win 7 with open arms, in fact. Why, because it was an awesome os. People obviously don't feel the same about win8. Why is that so hard to understand? Why no option to choose the desktop as the primary boot environment?[/citation] Yep... I never liked Vista, which really didn't do anything that XP couldn't or didn't already... and Vista sure didn't do it better.

I ran Win7 RC on my test notebook (Like I do with Win8) and I liked Win7 SO much, I put RC on my main desktop... which I used months past the official release. I quickly moved all my clients into Win7.
I already told them ALL to NOT BUY Win8 OS or hardware.

I've kept trying to use Win8... give it a chance. It has some much improved features. But just like I DON'T support heavy DRM games (even thou they are all pirated) I don't buy them and I don't use them.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]All MS had to do was give people a choice... just like in Win7 or even XP, you can choose OLD-style UI skin and had the same functions.Me and You have gone over this... no, most people are NOT going to bother. I really hope the stores get flooded with Win8 desktop returns... they will get a lot. Metro sucks, Charms suck, Metro-skin desktop mode is skanky-ass-ugly.I still have a full-time Win8 notebook... still can't stand it. Tried going cold turkey... Metro is shit. As I've told you, I've run Metro on my Android phone (Launcher 7) which I've enjoyed for almost 2 years. I've since upgraded to a new Android 4.x phone and had NO need to have a reduced function WP8 device. I never cared for Android 2.x. 4.x is very nice... at least on my Motorola.METRO / Start Screen is functionally useless as the Start Menu, so Why the hell bother? Live "tiles"? who gives a shit? its a start screen/menu - they won't be seen much - if at all. What, someone is going to go from desktop mode to Metro Mode to see what a Metro-App tile is saying? Oh yeah, that is what the TASK BAR with system tray was made for!Me and you have easily fixed the Win8 problems...1 - Metro is a 2-column strip on the left side. Mouse wheel makes more sense. The live TILES will be functionally USEFUL. (Oh yeah, MS killed the gadets for Win7/Win8 - lame) 2 - Old-style start menu still there... without the brain-damaged hidden "start button" idea.3 - Charms... gone (at least for desktop)4 - Win7 or Win8 PR version 8440 skin... not the 80's crap flat design that people will make people puke.Windows 8 is designed to fail. The Win8 DesktoptabletPhone ecosystem depends on Win8 x86 being a success. People who hate the Desktop WILL NOT buy the tablets or the phones.And we've seen how well WP7 has sold in over 2 years... failure. And we already see that MS has orphaned WP7 devices. Its amazing they even bothered.Windows 8 is still worthless and has been made pirate proof because the majority of people DON'T want it.We'll know in 3~6 months how badly MS screwed up. The numbers don't look good. And the vendors are dreaming if they think Win8 will "catch on" in 6~9 months.[/citation]

I'm not saying that Windows 8 doesn't have problems. Like you said, we've been over that subject. I'm just saying that a lot of these users were spreading misinformation and FUD. If someone is going to complain about Windows 8, then they should complain about real problems with it such as those that you've listed.

 

[Belardo]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Umm, no. Windows 7 was still frowned upon by the majority right when it launched and right before it launched. ~~ but it was still hated on by the majority at first.IDC what people feel about Windows 8.[/citation] Uh, no. Windows 7 faults are still carried over from Vista... Win8 appears to fix those faults, but created new ones. Win7 quickly over-took XP as the majority OS. Vista never came close. Show the data and reviews that are NEG on Win7.

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]The majority of the arguments against it are BS. There are problems. Like belardo brought up, even ignoring Metro, its design is poor compared to what it could have been and office 2013 is even worse. However, Metro and the like are not problems. If you want to boot into the desktop instead of the Metro screen, then simply get a program for it like you'd do to avoid using Internet Explorer.[/citation] Again, most people don't bother... hence, IE is still the most use browser... even thou its crap. I see NO NEED to reward MS with poor design.

Windows 8 has no value over Win7... its negatives are easily more-so than its pros.

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Paying for what you have to fix is not a new concept. You do the same with any other Windows system and a lot of other things too.I won't argue against your point that MS could have done a far better job, they really could have, but you're overreacting to an extreme.[/citation] I am the LEAST of Microsoft's problems...

I just rebuilt my PC new, with a nice clean fresh copy of Win7Pro... its quite fine. There is nothing I needed to add extra that I wouldn't have for XP or Win8. But Win8 would require me to add 2-3 add-ons to make it functional, I'd have to go through the reg or settings or anything else to keep it from going into METRO mode... I'd have to question the reliability and correct compatibility of a 3rd party add-on start menu. No CORP. America company is going to validate this shit.

I'm good for the next few years with Win7. Ballamer will be gone in 2013 after he sinks Microsoft with the Win8 iceberg. In the next few months, Win8 is taken off my test notebook and Linux will be installed. From there... who knows.

 

[Belardo]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]I'm not saying that Windows 8 doesn't have problems. Like you said, we've been over that subject. I'm just saying that a lot of these users were spreading misinformation and FUD. If someone is going to complain about Windows 8, then they should complain about real problems with it such as those that you've listed.[/citation] That fact that even YOU can admit that Win8 has problems, *IS* a problem. You are willing to work with it. Most of us are not.

You said I and other have a choice to NOT use Metro.... you're right. We'll do this by NOT buying/using Windows 8. Simple as that. 100% Metro-proof. MS knows the METRO label has become toxic, hence they renamed it to "Windows 8 UI" or some stupid shit.

Some of it is FUD, many of them cannot express the problem.. other than "I hate it" - have kids? they hate or like things without being able to tell you why. Doesn't really matter.

The failure if Windows8 is 100% Microsoft's fault. Just like Apples "you're holding it wrong" and "you're taking pictures wrong" is the company way of shifting their screwups as your FAULT. So perhaps:

Windows 8... "You're Starting it Wrong".

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]Uh, no. Windows 7 faults are still carried over from Vista... Win8 appears to fix those faults, but created new ones. Win7 quickly over-took XP as the majority OS. Vista never came close. Show the data and reviews that are NEG on Win7. Again, most people don't bother... hence, IE is still the most use browser... even thou its crap. I see NO NEED to reward MS with poor design. Windows 8 has no value over Win7... its negatives are easily more-so than its pros. I am the LEAST of Microsoft's problems... I just rebuilt my PC new, with a nice clean fresh copy of Win7Pro... its quite fine. There is nothing I needed to add extra that I wouldn't have for XP or Win8. But Win8 would require me to add 2-3 add-ons to make it functional, I'd have to go through the reg or settings or anything else to keep it from going into METRO mode... I'd have to question the reliability and correct compatibility of a 3rd party add-on start menu. No CORP. America company is going to validate this shit.I'm good for the next few years with Win7. Ballamer will be gone in 2013 after he sinks Microsoft with the Win8 iceberg. In the next few months, Win8 is taken off my test notebook and Linux will be installed. From there... who knows.[/citation]

Windows 7 only overtook XP in market share earlier this year.

Why would it take more than one program to make Windows 8 acceptable? WTF would you be doing in the registry for Metro? How can a start menu be unreliable and how could it possibly have compatibility problems? It only takes one program to get the start menu back and to log in directly into the desktop. There's no need to enter the registry to disable Metro, that same single program can do this for you. There are no reliability nor compatibility problems with any start menu program that I've ever known.

[citation][nom]belardo[/nom]That fact that even YOU can admit that Win8 has problems, *IS* a problem. You are willing to work with it. Most of us are not.You said I and other have a choice to NOT use Metro.... you're right. We'll do this by NOT buying/using Windows 8. Simple as that. 100% Metro-proof. MS knows the METRO label has become toxic, hence they renamed it to "Windows 8 UI" or some stupid shit.Some of it is FUD, many of them cannot express the problem.. other than "I hate it" - have kids? they hate or like things without being able to tell you why. Doesn't really matter.The failure if Windows8 is 100% Microsoft's fault. Just like Apples "you're holding it wrong" and "you're taking pictures wrong" is the company way of shifting their screwups as your FAULT. So perhaps:Windows 8... "You're Starting it Wrong".[/citation]

Every Windows OS has problems. Windows 7 is no exception to this, not even close. Furthermore, MS was being pressured y another company to ditch Metro. Sure, that might not have been the only reason behind their ditching it and your explanation is entirely plausible, but it is definitely not the only reason.

 

[rebel1280]

The only positive thing in Win8 i see after testing it is the task manager - ITS FREAKING AWESOME-. I really wanted to like it. My brother liked the UI on my laptop but would hate to work with it (and he is no geek). I dont like the fact that some programs you open in Metro interface open up on the desktop interface. I would prefer that they gave you the option to turn it off much like MCE of Win7. MCE is nice and honestly gorgeous on my TV with controller but terrible as a full time desktop. We have already decided in our company that we would not make the move to win8 and have purchased all new computers (40) to make sure Win7 comes with them and that they have nothing at all to do with Win8. Server 2012...thats another ball game, that OS just plain ol' rocks! 😀 Cant wait to see what they do with System Center!

 

[ricdiculus]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]IDC what people feel about Windows 8.[/citation]

You have a funny way of showing it.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]ricdiculus[/nom]You have a funny way of showing it.[/citation]

I'm not condoning the spread of misinformation. What you think of the OS is your business, but I'll address lies that are spread about it. Caring about someone's feelings about an OS and caring about the facts are two entirely different things.

 

[Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer]

[citation][nom]back_despite_no_demand[/nom]Yeah, it's called trolling, happens a lot and usually the main offenders wail on they have been here for more than 2 years but a quick check shows usually less than 500 hundred posts in a huge rant over the last 6 months, probably paid Apple or Google employees sent to poison forum opinion and avoid any intelligent discourse - next step is thumbing down then name calling[/citation]
lol u mad?

Oh, hey, check it out: here's a well-written article agreeing with all the well-written criticism I've made of Windows 8 here on Toms Hardware that you are desperately trying to represent as trolling:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/oped-if-microsoft-adopts-apples-app-strategy-its-better-to-follow-os-x-than-ios/

But yeah, keep on telling yourself that I'm some plant from one of Microsoft's competitors. There's definitely nothing to be worried about; of course Microsoft is always going to act in its customers' best interests. I guess all my other posts in articles unrelated to Windows 8 are just me throwing up a smokescreen to deceive innocent posters whose brains I'm trying to wash. Good job on fighting the good fight on Microsoft's behalf.

 

[blazorthon]

[citation][nom]Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer[/nom]lol u mad?Oh, hey, check it out: here's a well-written article agreeing with all the well-written criticism I've made of Windows 8 here on Toms Hardware that you are desperately trying to represent as trolling:http://arstechnica.com/information [...] -than-ios/But yeah, keep on telling yourself that I'm some plant from one of Microsoft's competitors. There's definitely nothing to be worried about; of course Microsoft is always going to act in its customers' best interests. I guess all my other posts in articles unrelated to Windows 8 are just me throwing up a smokescreen to deceive innocent posters whose brains I'm trying to wash. Good job on fighting the good fight on Microsoft's behalf.[/citation]

So, MS decided that they want their store to be more or less PG 13. There's nothing wrong with that. You can still use any program that you want, you simply can't have it in the Windows store. It's not like many of us make use of such things anyway. The situation is not comparable to iOS where the App store is like the only large software distribution platform for iOS devices. So, no, your criticism is not well-written and that article is utter garbage. They're not "chipping away at user freedom" by not allowing possibly offensive content on one of their software distribution platforms. That's their choice. If you want software that MS doesn't want to distribute themselves, then you get it the same way that you'd probably get it now, the internet.

 

[Belardo]

Belardos ex here. As an average informed computer user (I don't keep up with as techy stuff as he does, but I can replace my own parts and am going to university for health systems IT), I tried win 8. While I could figure it out with some effort, I recognize that the learning curve for most people will be much harder. It was frustrating to play with, let alone try to actually use. why fix what isn't broken? In the name of "progress" (read, competition with apple), ms has taken a decent OS for tablets and phones, and tried to put it where it doesn't belong - on desktops. Perhaps the future is in tablets and touch displays, but for a gamer/graphic designer like me, win 8 is pure crap. It just doesn't fit how I use my computer, and I won't be buying it.

 

[Belardo]

[citation][nom]blazorthon[/nom]Windows 7 only overtook XP in market share earlier this year.Why would it take more than one program to make Windows 8 acceptable? WTF would you be doing in the registry for Metro? How can a start menu be unreliable and how could it possibly have compatibility problems?[/citation] Win7 overtook a 10yr old OS fairly quickly. About 6~9 months before the release Win7, I predicted and posted here "Vista will never surpass 25% market-share", and that came true. I said Vista would pretty much be ripped off the market once W7 came out - whereas WinXP was pretty much sold and is STILL available from some vendors such as Lenovo's ThinkPad line.

Because the add-ons for the Start Menu are just that, who knows what exactly is going on? Stardock is reliable. But expect scam-artists to make their own... people won't know the difference between a legit menu vs a Trojan since its not an official Startmenu. Yes its speculation, but considering the various FAKE scanners, fake anti-spam software - making an infected Start Menu where it launchers ALL your programs is not difficult. MS ripped out the Start Menu code. Its not simply someone throwing a switch that turns it back on. MS has NO good reason to have removed the code in the first place other than CONTROL.

What lies about Win8/Metro are you referring to? Because the majority of people DO NOT LIKE Windows 8, it doesn't make it a lie. If I said "Windows 8 has a warp drive", that would be a lie.

Win7 was very reliable out the gate. People can use Win7 fine without ever patching to SP1.

(Note: My ex just replied from my iPad... her 2 cents heheh)

 

[blazorthon]

Win7 overtook a 10yr old OS fairly quickly. About 6~9 months before the release Win7, I predicted and posted here "Vista will never surpass 25% market-share", and that came true. I said Vista would pretty much be ripped off the market once W7 came out - whereas WinXP was pretty much sold and is STILL available from some vendors such as Lenovo's ThinkPad line.

Because the add-ons for the Start Menu are just that, who knows what exactly is going on? Stardock is reliable. But expect scam-artists to make their own... people won't know the difference between a legit menu vs a Trojan since its not an official Startmenu. Yes its speculation, but considering the various FAKE scanners, fake anti-spam software - making an infected Start Menu where it launchers ALL your programs is not difficult. MS ripped out the Start Menu code. Its not simply someone throwing a switch that turns it back on. MS has NO good reason to have removed the code in the first place other than CONTROL.

What lies about Win8/Metro are you referring to? Because the majority of people DO NOT LIKE Windows 8, it doesn't make it a lie. If I said "Windows 8 has a warp drive", that would be a lie.

Win7 was very reliable out the gate. People can use Win7 fine without ever patching to SP1.

(Note: My ex just replied from my iPad... her 2 cents heheh)

Saying that you are forced to use Metro in Windows 8 is a lie. Saying that you can't install a start menu is a lie. Saying that you can't log in directly to the desktop is a lie. A lot of people were slaying such things and more. I never said that disliking Windows 8 is lying, I said that the above is lying and I said that because it's true.

Windows 7 took several years to overtake XP. It doesn't matter how old XP is, I simply don't think that taking several years is a fast time frame; several years is how long it should take.

I said the same things about Vista- However, Vista had its own problems back then.

I'm not going to argue about personal preference. Different people prefer different things. However, I will argue about the facts of the situation.

 

[jdwii]

That should be enough of this BS. You are in no way forced to use Metro. Yes, MS wants you to use it, but they're a COMPANY. It's their JOB to want people to use their products. If you don't want to use it, you simply DON'T USE IT. It's very simple. Anyone whining about a company wanting you to use their products doesn't know WTF a business is supposed to do and anyone whining that MS forces you to use Metro doesn't know WTF is going on with Windows 8 and should stop making BS claims and false doom prophesies.

Anyone saying that MS took measures to stop you from installing start menu and other such things needs to get a clue. MS removed the start menu code from Windows 8 because they weren't using it and it was wasted code at that point. They did not and can not stop you from installing your own start menus (I know this because I've done it on every version of Windows 8 and Server 2012 and because I have some damned common sense and know the subject well enough to not be some idiotic doom-sayer).

Start8, ViStart, Classic Shell, and dozens of other programs still let you install a new start menu and many of them also let you log in directly to the desktop instead of to a Metro screen.

What the average person does is simple. The average person doesn't use the start menu in any way that Metro can't do similarly well. They're not power users. Yes, they wouldn't know what those programs are, but the vast majority of them wouldn't need to know that because they wouldn't use them. Even for those who would, they'd find Classic Shell and such in Google/Bing/Yahoo/whatever else just as easily as they find FF and Chrome. If they can find third party web browsers with search engines, they can find other software with search engines. Simpy searching for how to get the start menu back will do the trick for finding such software.

Don't go saying that it will flop over this. Vista only has what, 10, 15% market share, but that's still tens or hundreds of millions of computers running Vista and is most certainly not a flop. 8 is probably going to top Vista because unlike Vista, it's fast, fairly optimized, and much more stable as are most drivers these days.

Also, I say this not ass some MS fan like some of the people here claim. I despise MS as a company. I'm simply not going to start BS about them like any self-respecting person should know to not do.

Lol oh know he said classic shell again i love Microsoft fans their just as funny as any other fans.

A quote from you: "There are no stupid questions, just stupid people." You shouldn't be such a hypocrite. Windows 8 is nothing like any phone OS, only Metro is, a single part of the OS that you are in no way required to use.

Game manufacturers whine about Windows 8 because it is bringing competition for many of them in new distribution platforms. Hardware manufacturers whine because they're being held to higher standards in quality control. The general public whines because they're ignorant of the situation. This is the same sort of thing that happened when 7 launched, most people were completely against it and Vista, yet now they're together the most popular kernel version of Windows. The same thing happened with other MS operating systems such as XP over a decade ago. Some people simply seem to hate change and every day has more evidence for that. They get over it when they have to deal with it as any sane person should.

LOL i love you so much so funny

Lol looks nothing like windows 8 ok your right i'll give you that. I'm actually happy that people don't always think like me if so the world would be so boring and sane.

For the billionth time, why the HELL should I or anyone else PAY for *** we have to fix?!

The typical computer user isn't going to KNOW they can semi-fix Win8 with an add-on that they may or may-not have to pay for... I can see it happening soon, "Win8 fixer-menu" - which is really a Trojan.

Windows 8 in DESKTOP MODE (We have modes) is also butt-ugly boring crap. Office2013 is a sea of white blinding crap. The failures of design and thought shows that MS has NO TALENT.

I just built my new computer, using the store bought $140 OEM Win7Pro 64bit was not given a second thought. No way I would waste $40 on Windows H8TE. Screw Microsoft, screw ballmer, screw the Win8 dev team and their ***-for-brains middle-management douche-bags who thought "this would be a good idea". The Windows platform is going to collapse.

Never in 20 years has Windows "upgrade" been under $100. There is a reason they have the $40 promo... something I could have made use of for my new computer.

TO BUY Windows 8 is to SUPPORT the crap-metro/Win8 whatever. Best way to prove a point is to punch Microsoft in the nose... and the best way to do that is to not pay them a DIME and walk away.
NO Windows 8 sales and NO Office 2013 sales.

No offence but your sane and normal and these people saying Windows 8 is so awesome aren't just install 3rd party software they say and override Metro(even though Microsoft will most likely fight this with updates) Lol remember if you don't do it your lazy 😉

Saying that you are forced to use Metro in Windows 8 is a lie. Saying that you can't install a start menu is a lie. Saying that you can't log in directly to the desktop is a lie. A lot of people were slaying such things and more. I never said that disliking Windows 8 is lying, I said that the above is lying and I said that because it's true.

Windows 7 took several years to overtake XP. It doesn't matter how old XP is, I simply don't think that taking several years is a fast time frame; several years is how long it should take.

I said the same things about Vista- However, Vista had its own problems back then.

I'm not going to argue about personal preference. Different people prefer different things. However, I will argue about the facts of the situation.

 

[jdwii]

Saying that you are forced to use Metro in Windows 8 is a lie. Saying that you can't install a start menu is a lie. Saying that you can't log in directly to the desktop is a lie. A lot of people were slaying such things and more. I never said that disliking Windows 8 is lying, I said that the above is lying and I said that because it's true.

Windows 7 took several years to overtake XP. It doesn't matter how old XP is, I simply don't think that taking several years is a fast time frame; several years is how long it should take.

I said the same things about Vista- However, Vista had its own problems back then.

I'm not going to argue about personal preference. Different people prefer different things. However, I will argue about the facts of the situation.

Like i said the sales will agree with us at first windows 8 will sell great(like vista) then 1 year later the truth will come Windows 8 is the next vista its the next Windows ME and the only people who disagree is Microsoft fans.

 

[Belardo]

The END game is this: Windows OS is the phased out in 3~5 years. METRO is the new OS.

 

[blazorthon]

Lol oh know he said classic shell again i love Microsoft fans their just as funny as any other fans.




LOL i love you so much so funny

Lol looks nothing like windows 8 ok your right i'll give you that. I'm actually happy that people don't always think like me if so the world would be so boring and sane.




No offence but your sane and normal and these people saying Windows 8 is so awesome aren't just install 3rd party software they say and override Metro(even though Microsoft will most likely fight this with updates) Lol remember if you don't do it your lazy 😉

I'm not an MS fan and you're full of *** if you think that you can't install a start menu. I've already pointed out that MS could have done a helluva lot better and all that, but I'm being reasonable whereas most of you are not.

Not once, NOT ONCE, did I say anything like Windows 8 is perfect. It is what it is and that's what I've called it. IDC what Metro looks like because I don't use it on any Windows 8 nor Windows Server 2012 system that I've used and continue to use.

MS can't fight it with updates because it's a simple UI change. No amount of updates could change it unless they managed to implement a system that takes an in-depth look at all software on the system to decide what can and can't be run, something that MS would never successfully do and even if they tried, they'd be hit with so many lawsuits that they'd have no choice other than to stop it.

If you don't do it strictly because you don't care to do it, then yes, you're lazy. If you don't like the system anyway, then it's simple personal preference.

 

[blazorthon]

Like i said the sales will agree with us at first windows 8 will sell great(like vista) then 1 year later the truth will come Windows 8 is the next vista its the next Windows ME and the only people who disagree is Microsoft fans.

Vista wasn't stable, it had poor driver support, many of what few drivers that it had weren't stable, it was a huge resource hog (several times worse than its predecessor is not good and most users simply weren't ready for such a resource intensive system), and it had significant UI changes. Windows 8 has significant UI changes that like its predecessors, can easily be changed by anyone who actually cares about it rather than whining for no good reason.

I'm not going to make predictions about the sales at this time, but sure, maybe they'll end u being bad. However, you're basing that on your own opinions (some of which are obviously flawed) of Windows 8, so I'm inclined to wait and see rather than give your prediction much merit.

The END game is this: Windows OS is the phased out in 3~5 years. METRO is the new OS.

Possibly and if so, that might be bad. However, I find it unlikely that no one would ever get around it should that happen. Besides, by that time Linux could have decent DX11 support and would probably be more or less compatible or able to be made compatible with most, if not almost all, Windows software. Maybe it'll be time to fully switch if MS really does get rid of the desktop.

 

[nameon]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Running x86 programs in Windows 8, runs them in their native desktop settings, use your mouse and keyboard as normal, no touchscreen is required...What the hell kind of logic are you getting this notion from? Are you assuming that Windows 8 will force you to run your old programs as touchscreen? DUHHHHH!!!!!!!!![/citation]

Seems like whoever downvoted you were really butt-hurt at your clearing up a simple misconception..

Seriously, its like its now a cool think to just hate on Microsoft and win8 i suggest people really sit down with the previews and see its plusses, sure MS are being D**ks for not giving an option for the start menu, but it would be an insult to intelligence if that would be only reason people (WHO CAN GET ON with it) to just boycott it like that, upgrade for me, MS ecosystem all the way!!!

TROLLS come at me!!!

 

[jdwii]

Vista wasn't stable, it had poor driver support, many of what few drivers that it had weren't stable, it was a huge resource hog (several times worse than its predecessor is not good and most users simply weren't ready for such a resource intensive system), and it had significant UI changes.

Windows 8 has significant UI changes that like its predecessors, can easily be changed by anyone who actually cares about it rather than whining for no good reason.

I'm not going to make predictions about the sales at this time, but sure, maybe they'll end u being bad. However, you're basing that on your own opinions (some of which are obviously flawed) of Windows 8, so I'm inclined to wait and see rather than give your prediction much merit.



Possibly and if so, that might be bad. However, I find it unlikely that no one would ever get around it should that happen. Besides, by that time Linux could have decent DX11 support and would probably be more or less compatible or able to be made compatible with most, if not almost all, Windows software. Maybe it'll be time to fully switch if MS really does get rid of the desktop.

First of all i never thought i would hear in the same sentence "to install a start menu" lol so funny.

Also don't take my word for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyc1RVCXvAk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIq_wl-KBjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxmIsv88xO4

http://www.inquisitr.com/366795/windows-8-does-nothing-but-confuse-first-time-users-video-proof/

Among the comments Chris Pirillo received:

“Why is this not like other computers?” and ”That’s the most confusing Windows I’ve ever been on”

One tester did have a positive comment, even if it was slightly backhanded:

”I like the pretty icons they have on here. That’s about it.”


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/366795/windows-8-does-nothing-but-confuse-first-time-users-video-proof/#gBbHL8hMj1sfdFsf.99

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/gadgetbox/usability-expert-finds-windows-8-pc-confusing-954680


http://www.zdnet.com/usability-expert-confusing-windows-8-is-a-cognitive-burden-7000002918/

This is going to go on for ever the difference is i have proof. Not to mention i used windows 8 and 1 game did not work even sims 3 had issues and dvdfab had to be updated i click on a metro app and it crashed the PC but like Vista fans before release they will lie and say this doesn't happen.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-microsoft-windows-8,17901.html

When i tested windows 7 it was 100% stable back in the Alpha stage where this W8 still seems kinda like a beta still.


Sorry their is more

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonykosner/2012/10/20/windows-8-lost-the-start-menu-but-a-startup-named-pokki-brought-it-back/

"why isn't this like normal computers" LOL OMFG


http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/personal/2012/10/20/early-look-at-windows-8-baffles-consumers/1646077/

"It was very difficult to get used to," he said. "I have an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old, and they never got used to it. They were like, 'We're just going to use Mom's computer.'

 

[blazorthon]

First of all i never thought i would hear in the same sentence "to install a start menu" lol so funny.

Also don't take my word for it
This is going to go on for ever the difference is i have proof. Not to mention i used windows 8 and 1 game did not work even sims 3 had issues and dvdfab had to be updated i click on a metro app and it crashed the PC but like Vista fans before release they will lie and say this doesn't happen.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-microsoft-windows-8,17901.html

When i tested windows 7 it was 100% stable back in the Alpha stage where this W8 still seems kinda like a beta still.

"It was very difficult to get used to," he said. "I have an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old, and they never got used to it. They were like, 'We're just going to use Mom's computer.'

Almost your entire argument here is about Metro, something that is irrelevant because you don't need to use Metro. If you don't want to use it, simply don't use it. None of those 8 and 10 year old kids would have any problems if you simply didn't use Metro and furthermore, these are people who were already used to older versions of Windows. They might simply not want to change how they do things. The only accurate way to prove your point would be to have people who've never used a previous Windows OS start off on Windows 8 and then go backwards to Windows 7 no less than two weeks after they get used to Windows 8, compare them, and have Windows 7 still come out on top.

Furthermore, any system administrator that can't work with it is obviously not a particularly computer savvy individual despite the job. I didn't need any special training to figure it out and I'm no genius. Even without disabling Metro, all you'd need to use it for is logging in and it's not difficult to figure out that the desktop is the large icon that says "Desktop" on it.

A few games not working was because of drivers in my experience. Simply using current drivers fixed every single issue for me. It had nothing to do with Windows 8 being less mature right now than Windows 7 was at the same stage and I'm not a Vista fan of any sort, yet I had occasional issues with 7 at first (like with 8, not often, but that didn't make them not exist).

 

[jdwii]

Almost your entire argument here is about Metro, something that is irrelevant because you don't need to use Metro. If you don't want to use it, simply don't use it. None of those 8 and 10 year old kids would have any problems if you simply didn't use Metro and furthermore, these are people who were already used to older versions of Windows. They might simply not want to change how they do things. The only accurate way to prove your point would be to have people who've never used a previous Windows OS start off on Windows 8 and then go backwards to Windows 7 no less than two weeks after they get used to Windows 8, compare them, and have Windows 7 still come out on top.

Furthermore, any system administrator that can't work with it is obviously not a particularly computer savvy individual despite the job. I didn't need any special training to figure it out and I'm no genius. Even without disabling Metro, all you'd need to use it for is logging in and it's not difficult to figure out that the desktop is the large icon that says "Desktop" on it.

A few games not working was because of drivers in my experience. Simply using current drivers fixed every single issue for me. It had nothing to do with Windows 8 being less mature right now than Windows 7 was at the same stage and I'm not a Vista fan of any sort, yet I had occasional issues with 7 at first (like with 8, not often, but that didn't make them not exist).

How many people didn't ever use windows, that is not a real world example.

I'm using windows 8 right now on my Amd A8 laptop and i find it to boot just as fast as windows 7 not faster it stays on the blue screen for like 10 seconds before booting to metro(however hibernate is faster and so is shutdown times), godfather 1 the game still doesn't work and sims 3 needs to be put in compatibility mode(i really don't play a lot of games on here these are the only ones that had some issues though),

I've downloaded many metro apps which i find to be very lacking in features and kinda buggy at best their cellphone quality apps which suck when compared to windows normal programs(I've tried Netflix, and the YouTube app and i cant even search for a video only the ones they show me work cant figure out how to search for areas using Google maps either the app of course. Backgrounds wallpaper wont even work it just crashes the only metro apps that work decent that i tried is the newegg app and the Accu weather app and Pandora seems to be ok as well, yes and i suppose tomshardware has a ok app why i would ever want to use any of these apps over google chrome i don't know as its easier with a normal browser.

I still wish i could change the background of metro to something different as the selection is to limited. I personally think Metro looks extremely ugly with apps such as the youtube app being so big(even when you shrink it) and only showing the word "youtube" on it with a red tile is just to boring looking. I also find it harder to multitask on metro not to mention if i'm on the desktop metro overrides my whole screen which hurts my productivity.

Not only that but the pure black bar on the right is extremely 1990's looking it could of used some Transparency and allow me to change the color to something different then black.

Saying that i find windows 8 to be just a minor upgrade at best to windows 7(after you disable metro) i ran loads of benchmarks and the only area windows 8 came ahead on was multimedia programs such as hand brake(2-3% better) the task messenger is a decent upgrade but why doesn't it save my settings when i click more details and update speed i put at fast it resets it self to default when i restart my PC. Also windows added features like smartscreen which is more annoying then UAC both that i disable. I do like that we can pause are files when we copy and paste them and that windows Finally supports ISO's out of the box. Besides that and metro i find nothing else windows 8 added to be worth mentioning i used classic shell and i honestly thought it felt too much like a Linux add on and it made the upgrade to windows 8 seem even more worthless.

I don't understand why people seem to think windows 8 will be successful on anything look at windows phones not to many people buy windows phones and that number is even shrinking so why would this same market(people looking at tablets/smartphones) buy windows 8 on a tablet(looks the same) when they most likely already have an android phone or Iphone something they're familiar with and those same people will most likely just buy a android or Ipad. Like the videos i posted and the web pages those people and i find it weird(odd) and unnecessary to have a Tablet OS on a laptop/desktop and i strongly believe the sales and the general public will feel the same as i already had some people try this OS at college who are not in the Tech field and they can't even do simple tasks which i have to admit is kinda funny but still heck it even took me a couple of seconds to learn how to shut off my PC(using the OS) which is even funnier its like does microsoft even test their OS to non nerds?

 

[blazorthon]

How many people didn't ever use windows, that is not a real world example.

I'm using windows 8 right now on my Amd A8 laptop and i find it to boot just as fast as windows 7 not faster it stays on the blue screen for like 10 seconds before booting to metro(however hibernate is faster and so is shutdown times), godfather 1 the game still doesn't work and sims 3 needs to be put in compatibility mode(i really don't play a lot of games on here these are the only ones that had some issues though),

I've downloaded many metro apps which i find to be very lacking in features and kinda buggy at best their cellphone quality apps which suck when compared to windows normal programs(I've tried Netflix, and the YouTube app and i cant even search for a video only the ones they show me work cant figure out how to search for areas using Google maps either the app of course. Backgrounds wallpaper wont even work it just crashes the only metro apps that work decent that i tried is the newegg app and the Accu weather app and Pandora seems to be ok as well, yes and i suppose tomshardware has a ok app why i would ever want to use any of these apps over google chrome i don't know as its easier with a normal browser.

I still wish i could change the background of metro to something different as the selection is to limited. I personally think Metro looks extremely ugly with apps such as the youtube app being so big(even when you shrink it) and only showing the word "youtube" on it with a red tile is just to boring looking. I also find it harder to multitask on metro not to mention if i'm on the desktop metro overrides my whole screen which hurts my productivity.

Not only that but the pure black bar on the right is extremely 1990's looking it could of used some Transparency and allow me to change the color to something different then black.

Saying that i find windows 8 to be just a minor upgrade at best to windows 7(after you disable metro) i ran loads of benchmarks and the only area windows 8 came ahead on was multimedia programs such as hand brake(2-3% better) the task messenger is a decent upgrade but why doesn't it save my settings when i click more details and update speed i put at fast it resets it self to default when i restart my PC. Also windows added features like smartscreen which is more annoying then UAC both that i disable. I do like that we can pause are files when we copy and paste them and that windows Finally supports ISO's out of the box. Besides that and metro i find nothing else windows 8 added to be worth mentioning i used classic shell and i honestly thought it felt too much like a Linux add on and it made the upgrade to windows 8 seem even more worthless.

I don't understand why people seem to think windows 8 will be successful on anything look at windows phones not to many people buy windows phones and that number is even shrinking so why would this same market(people looking at tablets/smartphones) buy windows 8 on a tablet(looks the same) when they most likely already have an android phone or Iphone something they're familiar with and those same people will most likely just buy a android or Ipad. Like the videos i posted and the web pages those people and i find it weird(odd) and unnecessary to have a Tablet OS on a laptop/desktop and i strongly believe the sales and the general public will feel the same as i already had some people try this OS at college who are not in the Tech field and they can't even do simple tasks which i have to admit is kinda funny but still heck it even took me a couple of seconds to learn how to shut off my PC(using the OS) which is even funnier its like does microsoft even test their OS to non nerds?

How many people who don't use Windows is completely irrelevant. What I provided is as real-world of a test as is possible because it eliminates the extreme bias of people who don't like change regardless of it being for the better, worse, or about the same in effectiveness.

I find there to be significant install time and boot time differences between 7 and 8. Like I said, update your drivers for game issues. IDC about Metro as far as this is concerned as I've said many times. MS implemented it poorly and I don't care to use it because of that.

Of course Windows 8 is just an upgrade over 7, although I wouldn't call it minor; I'd call it moderate.

The laptop/desktop Windows 8 is not a tablet OS no matter how many times you call it that.

I have absolutely no idea of what you're going on about with Classic shell feeling Linux-like nor how that could be bad.

Windows phones aren't dropping off and they're not gaining much because of anticipation of the next version of WP. Furthermore, that's a completely irrelevant example from a different market in a different situation. Using it as an example would be like using iOS's market share in an example to prove a point about OSX.