Vendors Have Negative Response to Windows 8, Says Analyst

[jdwii]

How many people who don't use Windows is completely irrelevant. What I provided is as real-world of a test as is possible because it eliminates the extreme bias of people who don't like change regardless of it being for the better, worse, or about the same in effectiveness.

I find there to be significant install time and boot time differences between 7 and 8. Like I said, update your drivers for game issues. IDC about Metro as far as this is concerned as I've said many times. MS implemented it poorly and I don't care to use it because of that.

Of course Windows 8 is just an upgrade over 7, although I wouldn't call it minor; I'd call it moderate.

The laptop/desktop Windows 8 is not a tablet OS no matter how many times you call it that.

I have absolutely no idea of what you're going on about with Classic shell feeling Linux-like nor how that could be bad.

Windows phones aren't dropping off and they're not gaining much because of anticipation of the next version of WP. Furthermore, that's a completely irrelevant example from a different market in a different situation. Using it as an example would be like using iOS's market share in an example to prove a point about OSX.

I have every single update on this laptop and the game issues still happen, i benchmarked windows 8 while booting and i find it to be the same if not longer at times to boot when compared to 7. Windows 8 has the same performance if not worse in some small areas such as cineBench were the single core performance dropped by over 6% and the only area its faster in is multimedia programs and that is usually by 3% or so nothing to drastic. Besides having a fresh install(which is why most people "feel a faster OS" windows 8 doesn't really feel faster or slower than windows 7 and i notice the minor speed upgrades always.

By saying that and by saying the new task messenger is glitchy since it doesn't save your settings when you restart the PC. Windows 8 isn't a moderate upgrade every single thing is the same as windows 7 when you disable metro. for desktop users and laptop users its a side upgrade or a minor upgrade, it may even be and most likely will be a stressful experience for lots of people you know all the people i mention(with real test's) and normal people not nerds(majority of people who buy things) and after using metro its definitely not ready for prime time yet, however you put it this is the main focus to windows 8 not its ISO compatibility out of the box not its new copy and paste features and not its task messenger its metro if metro sucks windows 8 will fail.

Also a simple look at classic shell(which doesn't seem to skip metro even with the option enable at boot) shows me it doesn't look like a windows add on it reminds me of something i would find on linux and i'm a windows fan i generally hate the look of most distros of linux that is probably the main difference between us i love windows and i don't want to see it changing like this most Tech people hate it which is 110% different than windows 7 which was praised by everyone and me i loved it from the beginning and found it to be more stable in alpha stage then vista with service pack 1. Normal people really hate it even worse than techs.

You keep saying its because people are scared of change when its somthing so buggy yes i'm extremely scared change by itself isn't good or bad and without a DEFAULT option not none of this 3rd party crap this change is not good.

"Windows phones aren't dropping off and they're not gaining much because of anticipation of the next version of WP. Furthermore, that's a completely irrelevant example from a different market in a different situation. Using it as an example would be like using iOS's market share in an example to prove a point about OSX."

For starters OSX doesn't look like a tablet OS so its not comparable to IOS in any shape or form windows phones look 100% like metro and metro is the number 1 focus of windows 8 microsoft fails to market windows phones in a way to get users and MOST people with tablets also have a smartphone and their smartphone has IOS or android on it and those same people will just buy a Ipad or Android tablet the sales of windows 8 will show this over the course of 3 years. What they need to do is make a separate product like Apple did and put that on tablets and leave their only market besides the xbox alone.

Windows 8 the next zune in popularity i think so.

 

[blazorthon]

I have every single update on this laptop and the game issues still happen, i benchmarked windows 8 while booting and i find it to be the same if not longer at times to boot when compared to 7. Windows 8 has the same performance if not worse in some small areas such as cineBench were the single core performance dropped by over 6% and the only area its faster in is multimedia programs and that is usually by 3% or so nothing to drastic. Besides having a fresh install(which is why most people "feel a faster OS" windows 8 doesn't really feel faster or slower than windows 7 and i notice the minor speed upgrades always.

By saying that and by saying the new task messenger is glitchy since it doesn't save your settings when you restart the PC. Windows 8 isn't a moderate upgrade every single thing is the same as windows 7 when you disable metro. for desktop users and laptop users its a side upgrade or a minor upgrade, it may even be and most likely will be a stressful experience for lots of people you know all the people i mention(with real test's) and normal people not nerds(majority of people who buy things) and after using metro its definitely not ready for prime time yet, however you put it this is the main focus to windows 8 not its ISO compatibility out of the box not its new copy and paste features and not its task messenger its metro if metro sucks windows 8 will fail.

Also a simple look at classic shell(which doesn't seem to skip metro even with the option enable at boot) shows me it doesn't look like a windows add on it reminds me of something i would find on linux and i'm a windows fan i generally hate the look of most distros of linux that is probably the main difference between us i love windows and i don't want to see it changing like this most Tech people hate it which is 110% different than windows 7 which was praised by everyone and me i loved it from the beginning and found it to be more stable in alpha stage then vista with service pack 1. Normal people really hate it even worse than techs.

You keep saying its because people are scared of change when its somthing so buggy yes i'm extremely scared change by itself isn't good or bad and without a DEFAULT option not none of this 3rd party crap this change is not good.

"Windows phones aren't dropping off and they're not gaining much because of anticipation of the next version of WP. Furthermore, that's a completely irrelevant example from a different market in a different situation. Using it as an example would be like using iOS's market share in an example to prove a point about OSX."

For starters OSX doesn't look like a tablet OS so its not comparable to IOS in any shape or form windows phones look 100% like metro and metro is the number 1 focus of windows 8 microsoft fails to market windows phones in a way to get users and MOST people with tablets also have a smartphone and their smartphone has IOS or android on it and those same people will just buy a Ipad or Android tablet the sales of windows 8 will show this over the course of 3 years. What they need to do is make a separate product like Apple did and put that on tablets and leave their only market besides the xbox alone.

Windows 8 the next zune in popularity i think so.

I have no such problems in any games anymore. I compared fresh boot times and Windows 8 always won, although by how much varied. Windows 8 uses noticeably less memory and is snappier (although I can only tell that difference on systems with HDDs, I can't tell the difference on systems using decent SSDs as the boot drive). I've noticed a performance increase in a variety of applications, although most of the time it is minor. However, again, there is less resource usage.

I've noticed lower power consumption/longer battery duration on laptops as well as much faster WiFi connection times. My task manager saves the settings and Classic Shell has no trouble letting me skip the Metro screen. Classic Shell's start menu most certainly doesn't look like something from Linux too me.

I don't know why you're having such problems if what you say about having a fully up to date system is true. I don't have any such issues.

Most Android users who I've talked to really like Windows Phones and simply choose against using them because of weaker hardware of the older tech phones and the poor app store (among other more minor issues). A lot of them use programs to make their phones' UI look more like a Windows phone UI. Second, to say that OSX and iOS don't look anything alike implies that you don't work with them these days. Apple as been making them progressively more similar. Furthermore, Apple is losing market share in iOS, so they're obviously not the company with the winning policy.

Zune's last few iterations were better than the iPods (I even have a friend who some of them and would lend them to iPod fans and they'd almost always admit that Zune was better).

 

[jdwii]

I have no such problems in any games anymore. I compared fresh boot times and Windows 8 always won, although by how much varied. Windows 8 uses noticeably less memory and is snappier (although I can only tell that difference on systems with HDDs, I can't tell the difference on systems using decent SSDs as the boot drive). I've noticed a performance increase in a variety of applications, although most of the time it is minor. However, again, there is less resource usage.

I've noticed lower power consumption/longer battery duration on laptops as well as much faster WiFi connection times. My task manager saves the settings and Classic Shell has no trouble letting me skip the Metro screen. Classic Shell's start menu most certainly doesn't look like something from Linux too me.

I don't know why you're having such problems if what you say about having a fully up to date system is true. I don't have any such issues.

Most Android users who I've talked to really like Windows Phones and simply choose against using them because of weaker hardware of the older tech phones and the poor app store (among other more minor issues). A lot of them use programs to make their phones' UI look more like a Windows phone UI. Second, to say that OSX and iOS don't look anything alike implies that you don't work with them these days. Apple as been making them progressively more similar. Furthermore, Apple is losing market share in iOS, so they're obviously not the company with the winning policy.

Zune's last few iterations were better than the iPods (I even have a friend who some of them and would lend them to iPod fans and they'd almost always admit that Zune was better).

I did notice my system was using less ram but it didn't seem faster while doing tasks and the benchmarks were practically the same some worse some a little better but all were in the -5,+5% range and most of the time it was so close to equal. I did not seem to notice any differences in Battery life that was noticeable on any benchmarks. As for faster wifi connections i had no issues with windows 7 in this regard and i noticed nothing different with 8. As for anyone think Windows phones is better then android well if this was true sales would reflect that.

As for IOS looking like a tablet OS well its not as bad as windows 8 just by clicking the photo's you can tell its no tablet OS and i must say i'm a huge windows fan and so is the rest of the world and again market share would reflect that.

http://www.apple.com/osx/
I really don't see any thing that looks like the IOS system

On top of this for some users who like to watch DVD's on their PC they will have to pay extra now or use 3rd party software such as VLC player which can be a headache for some small groups of media center fans.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/255038/windows_8_dumps_default_dvd_playback.html

I don't care about that much

Even though i do find classic shell to not look like the windows 7 toolbar at ALL and it still shows the metro screen and then like 3 seconds later it goes to my desktop this is simply not acceptable.

 

[blazorthon]

I did notice my system was using less ram but it didn't seem faster while doing tasks and the benchmarks were practically the same some worse some a little better but all were in the -5,+5% range and most of the time it was so close to equal. I did not seem to notice any differences in Battery life that was noticeable on any benchmarks. As for faster wifi connections i had no issues with windows 7 in this regard and i noticed nothing different with 8. As for anyone think Windows phones is better then android well if this was true sales would reflect that.

As for IOS looking like a tablet OS well its not as bad as windows 8 just by clicking the photo's you can tell its no tablet OS and i must say i'm a huge windows fan and so is the rest of the world and again market share would reflect that.

http://www.apple.com/osx/
I really don't see any thing that looks like the IOS system

On top of this for some users who like to watch DVD's on their PC they will have to pay extra now or use 3rd party software such as VLC player which can be a headache for some small groups of media center fans.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/255038/windows_8_dumps_default_dvd_playback.html

I don't care about that much

Even though i do find classic shell to not look like the windows 7 toolbar at ALL and it still shows the metro screen and then like 3 seconds later it goes to my desktop this is simply not acceptable.

Sales don't necessarily show what is the best. In fact, they usually don't. They simply show what people are buying and that doesn't necessarily correlate to what is the best.

The entire system looks similar to iOS. How can you not see it?

The vast majority of Windows users didn't use Windows' built in software for watching DVDs on their computers and MS was paying huge royalties to have that functionality. I've never used it and simply installed VLC even before Windows 8, so I suppose that I'm arguably non impartial for this feature, but still.

This is the first that I've heard of Classic Shell first showing the Metro menu and switching to a start menu. I've never heard of this nor have I seen it. I don't get why you're having trouble with Classic Shell.

 

[jdwii]

Sales don't necessarily show what is the best. In fact, they usually don't. They simply show what people are buying and that doesn't necessarily correlate to what is the best.

The entire system looks similar to iOS. How can you not see it?

The vast majority of Windows users didn't use Windows' built in software for watching DVDs on their computers and MS was paying huge royalties to have that functionality. I've never used it and simply installed VLC even before Windows 8, so I suppose that I'm arguably non impartial for this feature, but still.

This is the first that I've heard of Classic Shell first showing the Metro menu and switching to a start menu. I've never heard of this nor have I seen it. I don't get why you're having trouble with Classic Shell.

1. People buy what they want they are not forced to buy anything(at least technology, that their kids don't want 😀 ) if they don't like it they won't buy it.

2.

Its not the tablet OS for one you can do multitasking performance better there's a menu bar to say it looks like their IOS system is false and even if it did Mac's and windows are different Mac is like a console its good(not better then windows don't care what anyone says show me benchmarks proving your point instead of saying 2000$ mac's are better then your crappy work Windows computer or first windows computer that you most likely bought for 600$ vs 2000$ for a mac) at what its made to do the only difference is its overpriced by around 40% when compared to the same hardware on windows as for it being better in security well just use linux it can do more anyways and probably has a bigger inventory for games Lol this is not directed at you blazorthon unless your a Apple fan.

3.
Agreed i can care less about this anyways but who knows their might be a small number of people who find it troubling.

As for classic shell it reminds me of a windows theme in linux. I do however think Start8 looks like a windows start menu, as for classic shell messing up on me its true i still have respect for the programmers though.

Edit

http://lifehacker.com/5619064/w7-theme-for-ubuntu-brings-windows-7s-familiar-gui-to-linux

That is even better lol

 

[blazorthon]

1. People buy what they want they are not forced to buy anything(at least technology, that their kids don't want 😀 ) if they don't like it they won't buy it.

2.
http://images.apple.com/mac/shared/osx/what-is/images/hardwaresoftware_hero.jpg

Its not the tablet OS for one you can do multitasking performance better there's a menu bar to say it looks like their IOS system is false and even if it did Mac's and windows are different Mac is like a console its good(not better then windows don't care what anyone says show me benchmarks proving your point instead of saying 2000$ mac's are better then your crappy work Windows computer or first windows computer that you most likely bought for 600$ vs 2000$ for a mac) at what its made to do the only difference is its overpriced by around 40% when compared to the same hardware on windows as for it being better in security well just use linux it can do more anyways and probably has a bigger inventory for games Lol this is not directed at you blazorthon unless your a Apple fan.

3.
Agreed i can care less about this anyways but who knows their might be a small number of people who find it troubling.

As for classic shell it reminds me of a windows theme in linux. I do however think Start8 looks like a windows start menu, as for classic shell messing up on me its true i still have respect for the programmers though.

Edit

http://lifehacker.com/5619064/w7-theme-for-ubuntu-brings-windows-7s-familiar-gui-to-linux

That is even better lol

OSX does look like iOS. I never said that they're the same which is what you're implying that I said. They both have a very similar toy-like appearance and the styles for their interfaces are identical. I didn't say anything about functionality such as multitasking or whatever because that's all irrelevant for this. For example, had MS adapted Metro to desktop/laptop machines with relevant functionality such as better multi-tasking and more rather than effectively copying the smartphone and tablet version, it'd still look like the Metro on the Windows smartphones and tablets.

Furthermore, I use some Apple hardware, but I do not like them. I'm not an Apple fan at all and I've never bought anything from Apple nor have I even implied that I am an Apple fan.

OSX is not more secure than Windows. The current version really isn't even more secure than Windows XP without any malware protection unless you get OSX malware protection. OSX is really the least secure OS available behind Linux and Windows. There is less OSX malware because OSX has a minute market share, not because it's difficult to attack.

Classic Shell has a many style choices. Maybe you'll like one of them more than your current one.

 

[jdwii]

OSX does look like iOS. I never said that they're the same which is what you're implying that I said. They both have a very similar toy-like appearance and the styles for their interfaces are identical. I didn't say anything about functionality such as multitasking or whatever because that's all irrelevant for this. For example, had MS adapted Metro to desktop/laptop machines with relevant functionality such as better multi-tasking and more rather than effectively copying the smartphone and tablet version, it'd still look like the Metro on the Windows smartphones and tablets.

Furthermore, I use some Apple hardware, but I do not like them. I'm not an Apple fan at all and I've never bought anything from Apple nor have I even implied that I am an Apple fan.

OSX is not more secure than Windows. The current version really isn't even more secure than Windows XP without any malware protection unless you get OSX malware protection. OSX is really the least secure OS available behind Linux and Windows. There is less OSX malware because OSX has a minute market share, not because it's difficult to attack.

Classic Shell has a many style choices. Maybe you'll like one of them more than your current one.

How prove it? There's lots of people who will say otherwise about it.
I Meant that you think they look the same which is not true the fact that theres even a menu bar proves that point. The desktop and Dock environment may look somewhat like IOS but when you start to use software it looks NOTHING like a App you would find on the IOS(or tablet for that matter) i used both i know Now i'm not trying to defend apple an anyway but i will say their OS looks different than IOS And since we keep talking about this i'll say it doesn't matter what Apple OS looks like their market share makes them irrelevant in the in the Desktop/Laptop field, i can't even remember why we're discussing this anyways.

Also i never said you were a Apple fan i even said that comment was not directed at you.

As for classic shell might have to find some of those extra skins but even the start logo looks nothing like a Windows add on. As for everything else you said about Mac not being more secure than windows i agree.