[SOLVED] Video editing system on a budget (CPU only)

[zerocool1431]

Budget (including currency): 28000 INR // 380 USD (Ryzen Build ONLY)
Country: India
Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Adobe Premiere Pro, DaVinci Resolve, AE and Audition on some level.
Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):
Friend has an Asus X370 Prime Pro lying around so would be using that board.
GPU: Old R9 390x
RAM: HyperX 8gb DDR4 2400mhz
PSU: Antec Earthwatt 750G Gold certified

My previous CPU was an Intel i7 6700k which I sold and now looking for a new system. Sold the i7 for 13000 INR (178USD). The second hand market in India is close to none, so selling or buying old cpu is really tough here.
I was fixed on the 3600 which is available for 17000 INR (233 USD) but then I watched the reviews for 5600x and obviously fell in love with it. (5600x is 10000 INR more than 3600 so that would be 333 USD)
(I have a crush on the 3900x as well, but cannot afford it)
Getting the 3700x isn't an option as it's price is higher than 5600x and I have seen enough reviews/benchmarks to see that the 5600x goes ahead of the 3700x in the applications that I would be using.
Coming to the point

For those who have seen AMD's recent CES keynote and disappointed because they launched no desktop cpus and the infamously rumored 5600 non X which was speculated to be released at 220 USD.
Even if AMD plans to launch it in march end because that's when Intel would be launching their cpus and it would be a great time for AMD to do it as well. It would still take 2-3 months more for them to arrive in India and with 18% tax it would go easily for 20000 INR ie 260 USD (considering they released it at 220 USD)
Or else we are looking at upwards of 280 USD or so.
There are no stock issues here because people here do not upgrade every year.

I wasn't impressed with AMD when they decided that the 5900 and 5800 non X variants would be OEM only.
If that's the case with 5600 then I am pretty sure it won't be available in the market anytime soon.

5600x is far better than the 3600 and even the 3700x and I do know that.
But however I do not want to regret my decision in just 3-4 months.
Should I save my money and go for the 3600 and probably buy a better ram
Or should I go all in and buy the 5600x because it would be very much useful in video editing when compared to the 3600? 3600 and 5600x owners please help?
I would be putting all my savings into this and would probably need to close my bank account as would be charged for not maintaining low balance
Thanks in Advance. (Video editing is my main line of work and not just a side gig)

(For those who want to say that the X370 Prime would not support the 5000 series, let me tell you that I am aware of that and I am pretty sure Asus would eventually give 5000 support on x370 because Asrock already has released alpha bios for the x370, b350 and the smallest a320 boards some of which cost just 55 USD
However if Asus does not give any support I do have MSI B550-A PRO)

 

[Prad_Bitt]

Long term: 5600X. Might upgrade in 2-3 years: 3600. Just my 2¢. Either way if you can I'd say wait just a month or two, I really think 17k is kinda high for the 3600. I got mine for 15k in July. By then we'll probably know about the 5600 non X as well. Also during summers if you don't have an air conditioned room, you'll need a cooler with your CPU. The stock ones won't cut it. I'd say 1200 for the Gammaxx 400 V2 cheapest best one imo.

Also, better RAM is essential for ryzen, your CPU will be really held back with 2400mhz either way - 3600 or 5600 or 5600x. You can get 3200 c 16 2×8 for 6k ish. That should be fine.

 

[CountMike]

Even if there was or will be a BIOS for 300 series chipset MBs compatible with Zen3 it can never work fully and will have to make compromises due to BIOS size constraints in older MBs. In any case, betting at it gives poor odds.
3600(x) is far from being a bad CPU, only about 15% lower IPC than 5600x. See if you can get 3700x in there as core count is higher. For jobs like that it's neck to neck with 5600x. In most cases better with multi core jobs.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

Even if there was or will be a BIOS for 300 series chipset MBs compatible with Zen3 it can never work fully and will have to make compromises due to BIOS size constraints in older MBs. In any case, betting at it gives poor odds.
3600(x) is far from being a bad CPU, only about 15% lower IPC than 5600x. See if you can get 3700x in there as core count is higher. For jobs like that it's neck to neck with 5600x. In most cases better with multi core jobs.

5600x is like $390 here and the 3700X is $410 ish. 3600X is really bad value imo at $300, 3600 non X is $240.

 

[CountMike]

5600x is like $390 here and the 3700X is $410 ish. 3600X is really bad value imo at $300, 3600 non X is $240.

Yes some markets are quirky probably because of this situation, in my country (Serbia) is quite opposite, Zen3 is hard to find and so more expensive. As far as x vs. non-x goes specially with 2600/3600 they can be midly OC-ed to match x's performance but require better (than stock) cooling.

 

[zerocool1431]

Even if there was or will be a BIOS for 300 series chipset MBs compatible with Zen3 it can never work fully and will have to make compromises due to BIOS size constraints in older MBs. In any case, betting at it gives poor odds.
3600(x) is far from being a bad CPU, only about 15% lower IPC than 5600x. See if you can get 3700x in there as core count is higher. For jobs like that it's neck to neck with 5600x. In most cases better with multi core jobs.

Agreed with the bios part and that a stable bios would easily take another 5-6 months at least.
I am not looking to overclock as the temps where I live is almost 28-30C Average with humidity.
So buying a 3600 x or non X and then stressing it would not be efficient in long term.

Long term: 5600X. Might upgrade in 2-3 years: 3600. Just my 2¢. Either way if you can I'd say wait just a month or two, I really think 17k is kinda high for the 3600. I got mine for 15k in July. By then we'll probably know about the 5600 non X as well. Also during summers if you don't have an air conditioned room, you'll need a cooler with your CPU. The stock ones won't cut it. I'd say 1200 for the Gammaxx 400 V2 cheapest best one imo.

Also, better RAM is essential for ryzen, your CPU will be really held back with 2400mhz either way - 3600 or 5600 or 5600x. You can get 3200 c 16 2×8 for 6k ish. That should be fine.

Totally right about the 5600x being good for long term and that's what I'm looking for.
You got a really good deal for the 3600. May I know where did you buy it from?
According to keepa on amazon.in the lowest was 16k sometime in March 2020

 

[Prad_Bitt]

Agreed with the bios part and that a stable bios would easily take another 5-6 months at least.
I am not looking to overclock as the temps where I live is almost 28-30C Average with humidity.
So buying a 3600 x or non X and then stressing it would not be efficient in long term.




Totally right about the 5600x being good for long term and that's what I'm looking for.
You got a really good deal for the 3600. May I know where did you buy it from?
According to keepa on amazon.in the lowest was 16k sometime in March 2020

It was from Amazon, there was a bank offer for 10% upto 1750 or something like that. I think it was listed 17k, got it for 15250.

Right now it's 17k on md, primeabgb etc. Back then it was listed for 15 ish, but I preferred Amazon because returns are easier and free and faster shipping Probably on retail you can get close to 16 ish

 

[zerocool1431]

It was from Amazon, there was a bank offer for 10% upto 1750 or something like that. I think it was listed 17k, got it for 15250.

Right now it's 17k on md, primeabgb etc. Back then it was listed for 15 ish, but I preferred Amazon because returns are easier and free and faster shipping Probably on retail you can get close to 16 ish

Got it. Primeabgb and Md are always fighting with each other. Amazon lowest from Dec to Jan was 17.2k. Waiting for the Republic day sale now and seeing if I can get a much better deal on either of them.

 

[zerocool1431]

It was from Amazon, there was a bank offer for 10% upto 1750 or something like that. I think it was listed 17k, got it for 15250.

Right now it's 17k on md, primeabgb etc. Back then it was listed for 15 ish, but I preferred Amazon because returns are easier and free and faster shipping Probably on retail you can get close to 16 ish

So a little bit of more research and I found out that the 3800x and the XT are 1-2k higher than 5600x.
Considering future proofing (that more and more applications would be able to utilise more cores in future) and getting a better deal on amazon or somewhere else, do you think the 3800x or xt would be much better?
@CountMike I'd like your opinion too about this.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

So a little bit of more research and I found out that the 3800x and the XT are 1-2k higher than 5600x.
Considering future proofing (that more and more applications would be able to utilise more cores in future) and getting a better deal on amazon or somewhere else, do you think the 3800x or xt would be much better?
@CountMike I'd like your opinion too about this.

Depends on the price. I just checked, the 3800X I could find for 30.5k ($416), vs the 5600X for 28k ($380). The XT on Amazon was 33k ($451) I think. 3800X is more future proof for productivity while 5600x is still more future proof for gaming, I believe. I don't think the XT is worth it.

The 5600x isn't far behind in the multi core benchmarks though. But it is far ahead in single core benchmarks. That's something to keep in mind. If possible you should look for comparisons between these two for the apps you use. If the multi core performance isnt Lost too much on the 5600x, I'd say pick 5600x. Also something to keep in mind, the 3800x comes with a better cooler than the 5600x

 

[zerocool1431]

Depends on the price. I just checked, the 3800X I could find for 30.5k ($416), vs the 5600X for 28k ($380). The XT on Amazon was 33k ($451) I think. 3800X is more future proof for productivity while 5600x is still more future proof for gaming, I believe. I don't think the XT is worth it.

The 5600x isn't far behind in the multi core benchmarks though. But it is far ahead in single core benchmarks. That's something to keep in mind. If possible you should look for comparisons between these two for the apps you use. If the multi core performance isnt Lost too much on the 5600x, I'd say pick 5600x. Also something to keep in mind, the 3800x comes with a better cooler than the 5600x

A reply to you and all those who will read this in the near future
Please read this:

Adobe Premiere Pro: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Performance

Until recently, Intel enjoyed the benefit of being the only CPUs that could be used for hardware accelerated encoding/decoding of H.264 and HEVC media with their Quick Sync feature. However, with Premiere Pro 14.5 including GPU-based hardware encoding/decoding, the playing field has been...

www.pugetsystems.com

Focus on the part where they have compared the 5000 series with their 3000 series counterpart.
There is just 5% difference between the 5600x and 3600XT.
Whereas these processors right now are easily 70USD apart approx (5000 INR)
So if working in premiere is your main thing, go for the 3600xt and invest the rest of the money in better RAM.
If you have a higher budget go for the 3800XT or 3900X for future proofing.
I thank everyone who has helped me here.
And especially Puget Systems for benchmarking and providing accurate results to make the accurate decisions.
Long live AMD and may they keep offering competition.

 

[Prad_Bitt]

A reply to you and all those who will read this in the near future
Please read this:

Adobe Premiere Pro: AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPU Performance

Until recently, Intel enjoyed the benefit of being the only CPUs that could be used for hardware accelerated encoding/decoding of H.264 and HEVC media with their Quick Sync feature. However, with Premiere Pro 14.5 including GPU-based hardware encoding/decoding, the playing field has been...

www.pugetsystems.com

Focus on the part where they have compared the 5000 series with their 3000 series counterpart.
There is just 5% difference between the 5600x and 3600XT.
Whereas these processors right now are easily 70USD apart approx (5000 INR)
So if working in premiere is your main thing, go for the 3600xt and invest the rest of the money in better RAM.
If you have a higher budget go for the 3800XT or 3900X for future proofing.
I thank everyone who has helped me here.
And especially Puget Systems for benchmarking and providing accurate results to make the accurate decisions.
Long live AMD and may they keep offering competition.

Definitely buy a cooler if you go for the 3600XT btw, 1200 rs for Gammaxx 400 V2 is a very nice deal.