Wait for 9th generation intel CPU?

[Stankenestor]

So im planning on building my new PC sometime this year. Im currently waiting for the nvidia RTX graphics cards benchmarks and will either buy a RTX 2080 or 2070. I also need a new CPU to match my GPU. Since im waiting for the graphics cards, i thought i might as well wait for the next gen intel CPU's which are rumored to launch later this fall. If i understand this correctly, it's the coffee lake refresh that im waiting for right?

So does this seem like a good plan?

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I don't think the 8700k's value will drop much at all with the 9th gen release. Since the 8700k has hyper threading and the 9700k wont have hyper threading, it kind of creates its own market segment because it will have an edge in multithreaded applications.

 

[pontiac1979]

I don't think the 8700k's value will drop much at all with the 9th gen release. Since the 8700k has hyper threading and the 9700k wont have hyper threading, it kind of creates its own market segment because it will have an edge in multithreaded applications.

What's the reasoning behind the removal of HT in the first place? To push people toward their more powerful CPU?

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I don't think the 8700k's value will drop much at all with the 9th gen release. Since the 8700k has hyper threading and the 9700k wont have hyper threading, it kind of creates its own market segment because it will have an edge in multithreaded applications.

What's the reasoning behind the removal of HT in the first place? To push people toward their more powerful CPU?

I don't work for Intel, so I don't know the reasoning. But I am sure money has something to do with it.

 

[SgtScream]

I think a lot of people will want to purchase the i7 9700k with out hyperthreading for gaming. Hyperthreading is not really necessary for gaming and what makes that processor ideal is that games are starting to be optimized for more than 4 cores.

 

[Stankenestor]

i can get a 4790k i7 for 120$ is that a good deal? still i will have shitty 1600mhz ram

 

[feelinfroggy777]

i can get a 4790k i7 for 120$ is that a good deal? still i will have shitty 1600mhz ram

Yeah, if it were if it were me I would go for the 4790k for 120. That is a pretty good price and will be much cheaper than going for a whole new platform upgrade. It is cheap enough that next year you can look at the Intel 10nm part or the next gen AMD CPUs. Dont get hung up on RAM speeds, Intel CPUs dont scale much with higher speed RAM.

 

[SgtScream]

i can get a 4790k i7 for 120$ is that a good deal? still i will have shitty 1600mhz ram

Yeah, if it were if it were me I would go for the 4790k for 120. That is a pretty good price and will be much cheaper than going for a whole new platform upgrade. It is cheap enough that next year you can look at the Intel 10nm part or the next gen AMD CPUs. Dont get hung up on RAM speeds, Intel CPUs dont scale much with higher speed RAM.

That's a good price for a reason. I don't buy unlocked sku's on eBay because you don't know how much voltage they were running through it.

 

[larrycumming]

i can get a 4790k i7 for 120$ is that a good deal? still i will have shitty 1600mhz ram

yes 4790k for $120 is a good deal. worst case you run at at stock speeds.

make sure you stress test the processor , because you can return it if its faulty

 

[Stankenestor]

I can get a 4790k for 200$. Im wondering if maybe i should get new ddr3 2x8 gb 2133 mhz or 2400mhz and overclock the ram to make my processor run better. I dont want to run 1600 mhz ram, considering i want to play games like fallout 4 (modded as well). According to the techspot benchmark of the game, going from 1333 mhz ddr3 ram to 2400 mhz provided a massive 67% increase in minimum frame rate for the Core i7-4770K.

So if i get a used 4790k, should i perhaps buy new ddr3 ram? Or get another 8gb stick and try and overclock my 1600 mhz ram? completely new 16gb 2400 mhz ram would cost another 150$. Perhaps i can find a good deal for used high speed ddr3 ram

 

[larrycumming]

overclocking ram beyond its rated specification is 50-50 me thinks. that's why the higher rated ram were sold for a much higher price because you only get like a few % out of a batch that can achieve such high quality.

I would not bother overclocking a 1600mhz ram to 2133/2400 at this point because you probably wont get much "mileage" out of them at this point of their age.

IMHO, It's better to look for a 2400 ddr3 kit. you just might get lucky somebody wanted to upgrade and sell their kits, and most of them come with lifetime manufacturer warranties. Just learn to avoid the manufacturers with "untransferable" warranty because the warranty goes to void if the original owners sell them to someone else, and you don't want to end up with an expensive kit that can't be repaired. but in all likelihood, if the sticks fail, the manufacturers probably wont have anything comparable in stock to exchange as a replacement. thus, I would not recommend overclocking those ram.

I can get a 4790k for 200$. Im wondering if maybe i should get new ddr3 2x8 gb 2133 mhz or 2400mhz and overclock the ram to make my processor run better. I dont want to run 1600 mhz ram, considering i want to play games like fallout 4 (modded as well). According to the techspot benchmark of the game, going from 1333 mhz ddr3 ram to 2400 mhz provided a massive 67% increase in minimum frame rate for the Core i7-4770K.

So if i get a used 4790k, should i perhaps buy new ddr3 ram? Or get another 8gb stick and try and overclock my 1600 mhz ram? completely new 16gb 2400 mhz ram would cost another 150$. Perhaps i can find a good deal for used high speed ddr3 ram

 

[Stankenestor]

overclocking ram beyond its rated specification is 50-50 me thinks. that's why the higher rated ram were sold for a much higher price because you only get like a few % out of a batch that can achieve such high quality.

I would not bother overclocking a 1600mhz ram to 2133/2400 at this point because you probably wont get much "mileage" out of them at this point of their age.

IMHO, It's better to look for a 2400 ddr3 kit. you just might get lucky somebody wanted to upgrade and sell their kits, and most of them come with lifetime manufacturer warranties. Just learn to avoid the manufacturers with "untransferable" warranty because the warranty goes to void if the original owners sell them to someone else, and you don't want to end up with an expensive kit that can't be repaired. but in all likelihood, if the sticks fail, the manufacturers probably wont have anything comparable in stock to exchange as a replacement. thus, I would not recommend overclocking those ram.

I can get a 4790k for 200$. Im wondering if maybe i should get new ddr3 2x8 gb 2133 mhz or 2400mhz and overclock the ram to make my processor run better. I dont want to run 1600 mhz ram, considering i want to play games like fallout 4 (modded as well). According to the techspot benchmark of the game, going from 1333 mhz ddr3 ram to 2400 mhz provided a massive 67% increase in minimum frame rate for the Core i7-4770K.

So if i get a used 4790k, should i perhaps buy new ddr3 ram? Or get another 8gb stick and try and overclock my 1600 mhz ram? completely new 16gb 2400 mhz ram would cost another 150$. Perhaps i can find a good deal for used high speed ddr3 ram

Well so far im looking at 350$ for a used 4790k and new ddr3 2400mhz ram versus 700$ for an i7 8700k, new mobo and ddr4 ram at 3000mhz. Maybe i should just upgrade my socket at this point lol. I just dont want to use 1600mhz ram

 

[Stankenestor]

overclocking ram beyond its rated specification is 50-50 me thinks. that's why the higher rated ram were sold for a much higher price because you only get like a few % out of a batch that can achieve such high quality.

I would not bother overclocking a 1600mhz ram to 2133/2400 at this point because you probably wont get much "mileage" out of them at this point of their age.

IMHO, It's better to look for a 2400 ddr3 kit. you just might get lucky somebody wanted to upgrade and sell their kits, and most of them come with lifetime manufacturer warranties. Just learn to avoid the manufacturers with "untransferable" warranty because the warranty goes to void if the original owners sell them to someone else, and you don't want to end up with an expensive kit that can't be repaired. but in all likelihood, if the sticks fail, the manufacturers probably wont have anything comparable in stock to exchange as a replacement. thus, I would not recommend overclocking those ram.

I can get a 4790k for 200$. Im wondering if maybe i should get new ddr3 2x8 gb 2133 mhz or 2400mhz and overclock the ram to make my processor run better. I dont want to run 1600 mhz ram, considering i want to play games like fallout 4 (modded as well). According to the techspot benchmark of the game, going from 1333 mhz ddr3 ram to 2400 mhz provided a massive 67% increase in minimum frame rate for the Core i7-4770K.

So if i get a used 4790k, should i perhaps buy new ddr3 ram? Or get another 8gb stick and try and overclock my 1600 mhz ram? completely new 16gb 2400 mhz ram would cost another 150$. Perhaps i can find a good deal for used high speed ddr3 ram

I can get a i7 4790k and ddr3 2400 16gb ram for 240$, thats a good deal right?

 

[larrycumming]

sounds like a good deal to me...

 

[mdd1963]

I like the idea of buying a used processor to save money. One of my favorite games atm is Fallout 4 which is suprisingly cpu intensive and also ram intensive (to a certain threshold). I plan to mod the game alot and also Skyrim SE which use almost the same engine. Of course im not buying a new beast system just for those two games but it would be really nice to get 16 gb 2666 DDR4 ram (you cant go that high on ddr3) along with a nice CPU that wont bottleneck a RTX 2080 or 1080 ti.

So what used CPU could i buy on 1151 socket in terms of getting the best value?

i7 7700k. It's essentially an 8700k but with four less threads.

I have a 7700K and a Z270, and although it still performs admirably, I certainly not choose it intentionally *now* over a Z370 and 8600K/8700K...especially with Z390 and 9700K/9900K hitting the market in a week or so.

 

[Stankenestor]

So with the 9th gen cpus out, is i7 4790k still a valid choice?

 

[feelinfroggy777]

Yes, the 4790k is still a very good CPU. The 9th generation CPUs really did nothing for gaming performance. Intel's gaming performance increase generation over generation has been stagnant. There is very little difference between the 9900k gaming performance and the 6700k. The 6700k is about 10% faster than the 4790k. Considering the cost of a complete new platform, its just not worth the small performance increase.

Maybe we will actually see a boost when 10nm comes out.

 

[Stankenestor]

I can get an "upgrade package" consisting of ASUS TUF B450-PLUS GAMING + AMD Ryzen 5 2600X for 350$ and then get ddr4 ram at 3000 mhz for 180$. This ultimately leads to a higher cost than getting a 4790k and it means i wont get my hands on maybe a 7nm processor down the road which would hopefully provice a bigger performance increase. However i will have warranty, the 2600x has really nice performance for the price and it will probably last me 5 years before i have to upgrade it. Not sure if it's worth it though. Maybe i can get a nice ryzen processor deal during black friday or cyber monday, definately waiting until then. However getting a used 4790k is still a really nice "hack" if you can get a working one at a good price.

What do you think?