Want a Penryn processor crack open an apple!

[audiovoodoo]

** Picks his nose **

What do you mean gross?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Funny part is, 5% of pc users are gamers, that means theres as many pc gamers as there are Mac users in total. Oh, and was that a greenie or gold one?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yeah, whats that monkey know anyways? I bet he could do it. Doing something like this would be so easy, even a cave man could do it, and hes almost there heheh

 

[audiovoodoo]

@ Jaydeejohn

It was brown and sticky. Just like the contents of most of the HW section 😉

By the way you might want to check the maths. Mac users are ~8% of the total market. Linux ~3%. So lets do some maths. 5% of PC (ie Windows users) are gamers. So thats 5% of the 89% of windows users, not 5% of the total computer user base. So in fact there are more Mac heads than there are Windows gamers. Therefore gamers are the minority of PC users. A significant and vocal group I'll grant you but still small fry in the bigger picture.

Just look at things like the recent Nvida / VIA anouncements to see where a lot of the PC action is happening. Not everybody wants to run a game rig.

@ amdfangirl
You are young and not working in an office environment. That's not a critisim just an observation. Games tend to be played by people younger than me! If you look at the install base of PC / Mac then most are used in office productivity environments and not for recreation.

I used to be in the same boat in my youth. Most of my friends played games. As we got older and discovered the joys of booze, rent and all the other ways to dispose of our income PC's and constant upgrades went down the pan. Most of the people I know nowadays that game buy a console. They just can't afford the time or the money to keep a high-end rig going. They just want to sit down and zone out after a day in the office. Again this is observation not a slur at PC games, some of them do look awsome.

PS - Don't come back at me with Solitare as PC gaming. You know exactly the point I'm trying to make.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

They have old chimps homes? heheh. True, your numbers look right, but I just couldnt resist

 

[audiovoodoo]

The figures are installed user base. So yes, some folks might have all 3 options ticked. The 5% as gamers figure was from the recent Nvida postings on the VIA colaberation anouncement. They have seen that there is more market for embeded graphics solutions, all be it at lower margins.

If I wasn't such a flat broke chimp then maybe I'd have more interest in games. For now the odd blast of Tux racer is about my limit due to a rig not far of the age of amdfangirl! You might well be right about average age but I have to say that in the environments where I come across serious HW upgrading gamers I see the age as a little lower.

The overall point I'm trying to make to the HW fanboys is that whilst this is a fun game to play it is not represntative of the overall computing picture. Most people never upgrade the box they buy. Laptop sales continue to grow as most users want small, affordable solutions. Yes, you do pay a preminum in some cases for a Mac over a PC but that is down to personal choice. If you have no intention of joining the upgrade cycle then the arguments about upgradeability of the HW go out the window.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Id think most gamers graduate to PCs from consoles, tho maybe not

 

[audiovoodoo]

I'm not close enough to that scene to provide insightfull comment on that one. Certainly I've heard of a few folks kids that started with a PS2 and whos folks have now gotten them a PC. However a lot of those PC's are laptops and as much for social networking as anything else.

I've fixed enough broken PC's in my time to know that a lot of parents prefer the console route for games. The ~3 to 4 year upgrade cycle is a lot easier for them to fund and they don't get grief from little jonny when the darn thing gets wacked with bonzi buddy.

I stand by my point that a lot of folks have had enough of the upgrades. There were a few ex PC heads in the office I last worked in who just said stuff it and got the 360. Good enough to keep them entertained, easier to hook to the plasma when the boys come round for a drink.

Like I said, whilst a fun and interesting way to spend your time most people can't be doing with the hassle of upgrades. Additionaly most PC's never see more game action that Solitare or some flash game sillyness on a Friday afternoon.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I think its more just being at the BFs

 

[audiovoodoo]

I used to find a game of hide the sausage far more fun than watching TV at my GF's house. [/Sadly nowadays I watch TV alone 🙁]

A group of 8 or so of us used to get rather too drunk for our own good and then end up in deathmatch diddy kong and 1080 snowboard matches back at somebodys house. I know you can play a Lan but only 3 of them were serious gamers and why risk that much HW damage when you can get the whole console for less than a midrange graphics card? For social alcohol related gaming you can't knock it.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Get a dog, they wont try to change the channel

 

[dobby]

5% of PC owner game, on your bike, i know allot of gams from old people to toddlers ands it allot more than 5%

most kids may spend allot of time on console these days but most of them will a copy of the sims or something hanging around. on top of that many older people i know are paritail to the odd bout of CnC. i would say its more like 50% of PC's (not owners) wil lpaly game at some point in the month.

also why hasnt this thread been frozen yet. Mods!!!

 

[jimmysmitty]

Oh yeah and who got hacked First? :lol:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/27/Gone-in-2-minutes-Mac-gets-hacked-first-in-contest_1.html

I remember that. I also remember the first Safari release for Windows came out. It had more holes than a no protected Windows ME. Was funny.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/21/17FE-macs-in-business_1.html#commentForm

"Macs -- which cost the same as equivalently configured business-class PCs -- are cheaper to support because they are easier to support. And when it comes to diverting IT resources toward competitive advantage, doesn't ease of support sound compelling?"

Um I don't know about that. I was looking at what a $2K MAC gets ya and for that price I could build a muche better "business" class machine with better GPUs and a better CPU.

But heres something. Doesn't ease of support also fall under the category of repairs for such things as hardware? With a MAC its not as easy to replace bad hardware components and isn't as cheap. You either need to take it to a Apple store or a place with MAC certified technicians. Or just send it in for repairs. I myself would find it easier if an in house IT tech could fix it without having to resort to going through a third party.

 

[Vertigon]

A capsicum walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", an eggplant walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", a pumpkin walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple". A steak walks into a bar and says "bloody vegetables".

 

[jimmysmitty]

A capsicum walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", an eggplant walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", a pumpkin walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple". A steak walks into a bar and says "bloody vegetables".

I don't get it..................

 

[Avenger_K]

A capsicum walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", an eggplant walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple", a pumpkin walks into a bar and says "I bought an apple". A steak walks into a bar and says "bloody vegetables".

I don't get it..................

I think he's saying vegetables are the only ones that buy Macs (apples)....... not really sure though....

 

[audiovoodoo]

5% of PC owner game, on your bike, i know allot of gams from old people to toddlers ands it allot more than 5%

most kids may spend allot of time on console these days but most of them will a copy of the sims or something hanging around. on top of that many older people i know are paritail to the odd bout of CnC. i would say its more like 50% of PC's (not owners) wil lpaly game at some point in the month.

also why hasnt this thread been frozen yet. Mods!!!

You really do live in your own little world don't you? Expain to me why most PC's sold run integrated graphics and laptop sales are so high if over 50% of them are being used to game on.

I was talking installed base. How many systems sit on desks in offices? You think that they are less than 50% of the total systems out there. In 2007 PC games made up only 14% of all computer games sold, the rest were console titles. Hazard a guess what there are more of out there, consoles or PC's. As I keep pointing out to people here they are not typical PC users. By nature of this being a tech / HW site it will be full of gamers.

The fact that the industry moved to create the PCGA is a clear sign that they have noticed the problem. Yes the PC games market is HUGE with shedloads of people playing games but there are WAY more people that don't.

 

[MarkG]

You really do live in your own little world don't you? Expain to me why most PC's sold run integrated graphics and laptop sales are so high if over 50% of them are being used to game on.

My laptop has a relatively slow Core Duo CPU and a hopeless Intel integrated graphics chips, but it still plays older games like Call of Duty 1, Everquest and Guild Wars with no problems... I'd guess WoW would run fine too. Not everyone has to play the latest games that require a $1000 graphics card.

The real issue with the crappy Intel chip is with the more modern games that want to use 3,000-instruction shaders, or DX7 games that refuse to run if you don't have hardware T&L support.

 

[Shadow703793]

skittle: +1

Also, Photoshop is available on PC. The funny thing is that people who use Apple for photo editing will say how their Photoshop programs are so much better, when any PC user can go and buy the same thing and have it run faster on PC vs. a Mac.

Not only that, once the Macanites are done Macing out on their Macphoto editors, they jump onto Microsoft Internet Explorer, or Microsoft Office. I have to admit, these are great innovations from Apple! Who would ever of thought that Apple would have to use Microsoft programs! I do understand they do not have to use these programs and yes there are office programs that come with Mac's free and web browsers as well. Its not that point, but the point that Mac's are found a lot with Microsoft application on it.

Apple and PC are two platforms that you can choose from. Linux is another. There is nothing better or wore from any platform to make one the best one to chose from.
- If you do not like to have the ability to customize you computer then PC or Linux is not for you.
- If you like to get screwed over and over from you OS vendor then Apple and Windows is for you.
- If you like to waste money on a system then Apple is for you.
- If you like a system that claims they are more secure then Apple is for you.
- If you want a free OS that will let you do anything, the Linux is for you.
- If you are trendy the Apple is for you.
- If you find yourself worrying about your nails and if you look fat in this, Apple is for you.
- If you like to live in a dream world where nothing can hurt you, Apple is for you.
- If you like to game, Windows is for you.
- If you like to video edit, pick any OS. They can all do it.
- If you like to picture edit, pick any OS.
- If you like to sound edit or create music, pick any OS. They all do it.
- If you like a company who says this that they can finally do that Linux and Windows has been doing for years, the Apple is for you.
- If you are educated, then Windows or Linux is for you. (I say this because after doing research, you will find Linux to be the smartest possible OS, but you will have to do some work with it to get it to do everything. Windows for the people who just want to use a computer that will work with everything.)
- If you like a company who is on their 10th or 11th OS and is bragging about it.... Then Apple is for you. (Honestly this is kind of sad. It took 10 or 11 tries to get it where they are at now... They are now a step away from dirt... they are crap!)


Please, add to the list!

add
-If you want viruses (and you are uneducated and click on free porn and weight loss links) then Windows is for you.

Fixed.

[:turpit:2]

Oh yeah and I would really like those of you who brag that Macs are better try and OC and post the results here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tomshardwareus.inc&cat=29&post=246979&page=1&p=1&sondage=0&owntopic=3&trash=&trash_post=&print=0&numreponse=0&quote_only=0&new=0&nojs=0#t1754889

Good luck :lol:

 

[Kaldor]

This thread is still going? :lol:

I love the Mac maniacs. I had a Mac rep at Best Buy approach me last night when I stopped to pick up some RJ45 terminals. They get a little pushy sometimes so I played along, figuring at least I could waste his time. He asked me if I was interested in buying a Mac. Before I start, I like to go into tech stores and ask questions like "what is the CAS level on the ram in that HP over there?" amongst other off the wall tech questions to see if the techs have a clue. So anyway, I play dumb and start asking questions. He asked me what I do on my PC. I told him I read email, surf the internet, play music and a few other things. I intentionally leave out the fact I play FPSers, MMO's, and RTS's and the fact I have close to 1 TB of movies, mp3s, family pictures, CD and DVD ISOs and the 500 other random things Ive written, found, whatever that Ive collected over the last 10-12 years sitting on a raid 5 setup on my deskstop. So then I start to ask him some questions about the Macs. I tell him I have alot of stuff saved on my PC from over the years that I want to keep. He asks me how much, and I proceed to tell him that the guy that built my PC said something about "1 tera-something of storage using something called Raid". So this shifts me to a Mac Pro and a the sales guy is thinking "cha-ching." Then he asks more questions and asks me what else I do. I tell him I like to play games. He asks what. At this point I start to drop the noob facade and lay it out there for him. I tell him I play WiC, COD4, Lotro, just to name a few. So he tells me they have this Nvidia 8800 GT video card. He starts to try to pull my attention toward VMware and running Win Xp or Vista on top of OSX.

About this time Im tired of this toolbag, drop the facade and tell him exactly this "You want me to dump my $2000 gaming PC for the Mac that I have to emulate all the software I want to run" "Not to mention the Mac pro I need to buy to even stay even remotely close is $6000?" At this point I tell him that Ive been messing with him and tell him that my current PC is a 6300 Conroe, Asus Striker Extreme mobo, 8800 GTX, 4 gigs of ram, 1 250 gig HD for OS and usage, 3 500 gig HDs in raid 5 for backup/fault tolerance/storage. The guy wasn't a total idiot and was a good sport about it actually. I told him I wasnt interested in a Mac. He told me "Yup they are not for everyone" and tells me he has his PC and his Mac at home. Does most of his gaming and work on his PC but spends his leisure time on his Mac laptop doing email and just doing random web surfing. We parted with a laugh after he showed me some of the cool things the Macs can do, and I lusted over the 30" display for a few minutes.

Mac users need to step down off of their high horses and realize they dont own the best machines. Macs are decent, but PCs run s__t. They can do everything a Mac can do and more. They are no more secure, faster, more stable, than a decently assembled PC. Good way to look at people picking on PCs is the fact that Mac has the same issues Microsoft has now that they are getting market share. People think that if you want totally perfect drivers and software and hardware, go buy a Mac. Steve Jobs has all the hardware and software locked down. Except for his crap still isnt perfect either in spite of the slick marketing.

 

[Grimmy]

I think the PC fan boyz are just pissed that they would have limited options for installing fancy lights, posting synthetic benchmarks and trying to extend their e-penis.

Lets get something clear folks. 95% of PC users do not play computer games. Most PC's run with integrated graphics. Most computers do not run Vista. If you want to talk about minorities then frankly most of the crew on Tom's fall into that camp. You are not representative of most PC users. Get over it.

And no I don't own a Mac. I'm just sick of threads like this.

PC Fan boyz? On this forum? :lol:. o O (Daaaah)

True, most people would have limited options because they want something, but totally do not know what they getting themselves into. I guess my dad's lucky that I got into computers a long while back. He's a bit happier with the system I built him vs what he brought pre-built (integrated video) in the past, simply because he didn't know better.

Then again, that is why the forum is here to inform. But if 95% of the people never want to learn, well they will be stuck with something for awhile till they actually need something better. I'm not rich, I am a minority, just perhaps more mindful of how I spend my money. And from the systems I've built, that is the beauty of OC'ing. Taking something cheap and turning it into a rig that performs like the top dogs. Its not all about benchmarks, but getting the most out of your money, and perhaps getting lucky in shopping for the best prices. It wasn't always that you could get things online cheaper then local.

I did have a past job working on PC's myself. But most of them were laptops. Not one mac in the building I worked at, and I was in the IT department, till I got laid off.

I'm just sick of threads like this as well. I really don't see why anyone needs to spend money on Mac's especially if they can run windows on it. But then again, it's personal preference.

** Picks his nose **

What do you mean gross?

Here's a monkey that picks his... well, this monkey passed out.

Monkey

This gross is actually funny.

 

[B-Unit]

PC Fan boyz? On this forum? :lol:. o O (Daaaah)

True, most people would have limited options because they want something, but totally do not know what they getting themselves into. I guess my dad's lucky that I got into computers a long while back. He's a bit happier with the system I built him vs what he brought pre-built (integrated video) in the past, simply because he didn't know better.

Then again, that is why the forum is here to inform. But if 95% of the people never want to learn, well they will be stuck with something for awhile till they actually need something better. I'm not rich, I am a minority, just perhaps more mindful of how I spend my money. And from the systems I've built, that is the beauty of OC'ing. Taking something cheap and turning it into a rig that performs like the top dogs. Its not all about benchmarks, but getting the most out of your money, and perhaps getting lucky in shopping for the best prices. It wasn't always that you could get things online cheaper then local.

I did have a past job working on PC's myself. But most of them were laptops. Not one mac in the building I worked at, and I was in the IT department, till I got laid off.

I'm just sick of threads like this as well. I really don't see why anyone needs to spend money on Mac's especially if they can run windows on it. But then again, it's personal preference.



Here's a monkey that picks his... well, this monkey passed out.

Monkey

This gross is actually funny.

Amen on the reason for OCing.

 

[Vertigon]

Yes I was suggesting they are vegetables. One fact remains, if the apple platform was so good we'd all be looking at Motorola for the next landmark cpu. For years Macdopes have had to eat there words. They obviously don't buy there machines for superior technology or value. So why do they buy them? One psychologist told me it may have something to do the "underdog" complex, same reason the Rocky movies proved to be popular. Maybe after being battered and bruised by society, humiliated and ridiculed they have a subconscious connection to Mac's and feel they are a "friend" in similar circumstances that needs to be saved. Tomshardware should consider it's own in house psychologist to unravel illogical issues the general public don't understand.

 

[MU_Engineer]

I thought you'd be with me Missy. I can't believe you let your friends attack me like that. I'm signing off.

Umm I think she's gonna cry again. See you later I need to go talk to her

Well you still can't beat sleeping naked and having a period in bed......

Wingding, is that you?

 

[macgirlfriend]

http://www.pusscats.com/Cat_Fight.jpg



Wingding, is that you?

Hey, so this is the second round of insults

Leave us Mac users alone!!!!!