Review WD Black SN850X SSD Review: Back in Black

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The Black series is a bit too expensive for me. I find the Blue one good value for the money, though. The NVMe version has reasonable price tag and performance and would be me first choice. I like WD's own controlers. It adds some flavour to the market.
I generally prefer WD since the HDD time, so I might be somewhat biased 😊
 
The pricing is off for this product. You can regularly find the SK Hynix Platinum 1 and 2tb for below MSRP. The 2TB will go for $207 and is a better product overall. I don't see the point for WD to price this at this level. I wouldn't even consider this drive.
 
Crucial P5P and Samsung 980 Pro (after the discounts) are great value drives. That is what I can conclude from this.

This WD drive is too expensive for what it offers. Maybe when it drops to a similar price range of the P5P and 980Pro, it'll be a good buy. Not before. Well, for "value" seekers. Performance seekers are better off waiting for PCIe5 drives anyway.

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When DirectStorage gets off the ground even the slower NVMe SSD's will be unshackled by Windows and be screamers in gaming. So as the writer noted, this is kind of an apple and oranges performance comparison today, at least for gamers.
 
I just bought an SN850X 1TB for $130 USD. Not a bad price, AFAIC. No issues. The WD Dashboard software made updating the firmware super easy, as opposed to the hour+ of struggle I suffered through trying to get the firmware on my Seagate FireCuda 520 updated with a mega-finicky command line utility and confusing documentation (oh -- and the firmware function in the SeaTools SSD GUI utility simply doesn't work at all).
 
When DirectStorage gets off the ground even the slower NVMe SSD's will be unshackled by Windows and be screamers in gaming. So as the writer noted, this is kind of an apple and oranges performance comparison today, at least for gamers.

DirectStorage sure sounds as that there will be some improvement, albeit assuming you aren't running GPU at full load already, as DirectStorage apparently works mainly at the premise of taking some workload from the CPU and giving it to the GPU, such as to decompress files that get loaded in when walking to a new area in an open-world game. And for current-gen gaming, even slower NVMe SSDs sure are plenty fast.

On the other hand, a modern CPU is usually faster than a SSD though. And when you have an application which comes with reading/writing a lot of data quickly, that cheap relatively slow PCIe 3.0 SSD may not be fast enough to keep up with all that data as fast as the CPU and GPU could handle.

This of course these days not much an issue. But as far as I am concerned, when I soon go for a modern CPU and then also GPU, saving a few bucks on the SSD which then could be a bottleneck at times, such doesn't seem worth it.
 
Just picked up the 2TB SN850X for $169 on Black Friday. Sale is still available. Item is backordered until mid-December. Definitely a steal considering the Samsung 990 Pro 2TB is currently $289 (also on sale).
 
I just bought an SN850X 1TB for $130 USD. Not a bad price, AFAIC. No issues. The WD Dashboard software made updating the firmware super easy, as opposed to the hour+ of struggle I suffered through trying to get the firmware on my Seagate FireCuda 520 updated with a mega-finicky command line utility and confusing documentation (oh -- and the firmware function in the SeaTools SSD GUI utility simply doesn't work at all).
You can get the SN850X 2TB version for just $169 on Amazon ;-)
 
We looked everywhere in WD's website and SN850X documentation, but nowhere could we find any information about support for hardware-encryption on this drive.

Generally speaking, when a manufacturer does not advertise a feature, that means that such product does not have/support that feature.

Also, nowhere in any review of the SN850X - not on TH and not elswhere - could we find any mention about hardware-encryption on this drive.


However, the photograph posted of the SN850X on TH's review (and on some other websites as well) clearly shows "PSID: ...." which is the ID used to revert an hardware-encrypted drive back to (unencrypted) factory default.

Can someone that owns this drive please confirm whether or not this drive supports hardware-encryption?

If so, what are the hardware-encryption standards that it supports:

SED/OPAL2 only?
SED/OPAL2 + IEEE1667/eDrive?
IEEE1667/eDrive only?

Also, please point us to any official documentation that proves that hardware-encryption is supported on the SN850X.
 
We looked everywhere in WD's website and SN850X documentation, but nowhere could we find any information about support for hardware-encryption on this drive.

Generally speaking, when a manufacturer does not advertise a feature, that means that such product does not have/support that feature.

Also, nowhere in any review of the SN850X - not on TH and not elswhere - could we find any mention about hardware-encryption on this drive.


However, the photograph posted of the SN850X on TH's review (and on some other websites as well) clearly shows "PSID: ...." which is the ID used to revert an hardware-encrypted drive back to (unencrypted) factory default.

Can someone that owns this drive please confirm whether or not this drive supports hardware-encryption?

If so, what are the hardware-encryption standards that it supports:

SED/OPAL2 only?
SED/OPAL2 + IEEE1667/eDrive?
IEEE1667/eDrive only?

Also, please point us to any official documentation that proves that hardware-encryption is supported on the SN850X.

this is a very confusing issue.

WD in general has the software for OPAL support. regarding this series, there are many reviews (like tomshw's) that clearly state that the device does not support encryption.

however, the current specsheet on WD's site says it implements OPAL 2.01:
https://documents.westerndigital.co...k-ssd/data-sheet-wd-black-sn850x-nvme-ssd.pdf

and AFAIK, OPAL requires AES 128 or 256 encryption.

also, as you noted, there's a PSID on the sticker. (but PSIDs could be used to unlock non-encrypted drives that use a plain old password lock.)

also, there is this bit of info:
https://kcm.trellix.com/corporate/index?page=content&id=KB81136
which contains this changelog:

December 9, 2022Added the following Western Digital SN850X firmware and models:
Firmware 620311WD for WD BLACK SN850X 1000GB and WD BLACK SN850X 2000GB
Firmware 624311WD for WD BLACK SN850X 4000GB

this comes from a company that provides a FDE solution that works with OPAL drives... they should know i guess.

so it looks like maybe:

  • SN850 does not support encryption.
  • SN850X launched without encryption, but later was provided with firmware updates that make it OPAL compatible.
  • reviewers got the early firmware and reported no encryption, and never noticed the later change.
  • performance testing by early reviews might not reflect the performance of the drive if it is encrypted and all testing should be redone.
  • this drive might be a strange SED: early devices launched "without encryption" might really not be encrypted. this would mean that there is no MEK (media encryption key) to encrypt with the KEK (key encryption key) when you want to add a password to it. maybe you need to secure erase the drive once in order to generate a MEK and start encrypting. (and maybe then it might significantly slow down.)

so buying this drive at this point is a very dangerous proposition.

on top of all this, WD is cannot be considered a serious player in the storage field. they generally never provide FW updates for the rotating rusts, but they do provide FW updates for SSDs. but check this out: they provide no changelogs. believe it or not, WD expect users to go through the risk of flashing a FW update on their SSDs, with the implicit risk of loosing not just the SSD but all their data, but won't even reveal to users what issues that FW is supposed to fix. this is their OFFICIAL position; it is beyond insane. you can read stories of people wrestling WD online to try to get FW changelogs from them and them saying: NO!

this obviously points to a corporate culture of covering up issues to avoid liability, while the safety and privacy of their customer's data is on the line. there is really no other believable reason for not disclosing FW changelogs.

before knowing of the FW secrecy issue, i'd contacted WD pre sales asking about encryption on the SN850X, citing many reviews saying it doesn't encrypt and pointing to their conflicting datasheet mentioning OPAL. i received the ghosting treatment from WD, no reply... nice. later i found that info regarding certain FWs encrypting, so the road was easy: just get the FW update, read the changelog, find out if OPAL was added in it. yeah... that didn't play out nicely either.

as i said, WD cannot be considered a serious company. just avoid it, forever.

what to buy? well the samsung parts are complete crap: very slow or very expensive, and dying really fast (though some older parts seem to be saved by a FW upgrade done early enough).

and there's the hynix platinum P41. reviews all say it is 256-bit AES encrypted, but the official info i've read is that they are Pyrite, not OPAL nor OPALite. pyrite does not actually mean non-encrypting, but why would you make en encrypting drive pyrite instead of opalite? pyrite requires a password lock without any encryption, just sham "security". is the P41 encrypted as they say? i doubt it. i've personally interacted with the drive and requested an nvme format with encryption security level, and the drive responded it couldn't do it. if i lowered the level to simply TRIM everything, it happily complied. my take: the P41 is not encrypted, cannot sanitize, will reply "won't do" when asked to do something that requires encryption, and specs say it is PYRITE compliant. why tomshardware says it's encrypted? who knows. it very much looks like it isn't.
 
- this drive might be a strange SED: early devices launched "without encryption" might really not be encrypted. this would mean that there is no MEK (media encryption key) to encrypt with the KEK (key encryption key) when you want to add a password to it. maybe you need to secure erase the drive once in order to generate a MEK and start encrypting. (and maybe then it might significantly slow down.)

of course the other option would be that devices that launched "without encryption" might actually have been encrypting from the start to a properly derived MEK, but the whole OPAL range and key management firmware wasn't ready for prime time yet. this half-baked encryption scheme would allow for secure erase and migration towards an OPAL-encrypted drive without having to erase the whole drive in the process. (but if encryption was there, then why wasn't it reported to reviewers?)
 
contacted WD pre sales asking about encryption on the SN850X, citing many reviews saying it doesn't encrypt and pointing to their conflicting datasheet mentioning OPAL

i received a response from WD:

Thank you for contacting Western Digital Customer Service and Support. My name is Phil S.

I understand that your concern regarding the Opal 2.01 hardware-based encryption compatibility. I apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. I am here to assist you.

I would like to inform you that as per the feedback shared by the concerned team it does support the Opal 2.01 specification as mentioned on the Data Sheet. It was available upon release. We are not sure why other articles are providing the wrong information.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this email and we will be happy to assist you further.

Sincerely,
Phil S
Western Digital Customer Service and Support
https://www.westerndigital.com/support
 
You can get the SN850X 2TB version for just $169 on Amazon ;-)
When you posted this, the price of the 1TB version had also gone down to $100.

When I ordered the SN850X 1TB on Amazon for $130, the 2TB version was $230. I'm not psychic, therefore I didn't know that the price on the 2TB would go down significantly over 2 months later.

Yes, I'm replying after all this time.

Almost forgot: ;-)
 
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