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SchizoFrog
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[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]Or, perhaps, is the tech crowd just hung up on mercilessly beating IE8 as a crappy browser? Because as it shown in real-life tests - it performs pretty damn well for such an unoptimized, old browser in my opinion.[/citation]
This comment alone shows how little you know about browsers and their current developement and optimizastion.
This comment alone shows how little you know about browsers and their current developement and optimizastion.
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Beacuse new Opera rendering engine is big mistake - incompatybility, bugs, slow in real world. But no one in Opera Software say it loud.
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[citation][nom]eddieroolz[/nom]First off, interesting comparison.It's also interesting how most of the tech crowd places so much emphasis on artificial benchmarks on browsers.[/citation]
Actually it does translate into the realworld. Tons of webapps or cloud based software are java based. Google docs, various instant messenging, email clients, many enterprise level software, the sky is really the limit.
Just last week for example, I had to access my router homepage to setup my new connection. I originally used IE 8 b/c that was what officially supported by the router, but IE 8's slow java engine was struggling with cloud java based router portal, so I switched to Chrome, "official" support be damned and Chrome ran the router's homepage near native app speed. Instead of waiting for IE 8's java engine to chug along, I used Chrome to take care of business then moved on.
Actually it does translate into the realworld. Tons of webapps or cloud based software are java based. Google docs, various instant messenging, email clients, many enterprise level software, the sky is really the limit.
Just last week for example, I had to access my router homepage to setup my new connection. I originally used IE 8 b/c that was what officially supported by the router, but IE 8's slow java engine was struggling with cloud java based router portal, so I switched to Chrome, "official" support be damned and Chrome ran the router's homepage near native app speed. Instead of waiting for IE 8's java engine to chug along, I used Chrome to take care of business then moved on.
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How so? What part of that was incorrect? It is relatively old compared to the competition, and is not optimized. Perhaps you'd like to explain why before you start insulting my knowledge.
I admit that I do not use many web apps nor cloud software - I have a specific thing against cloud, and since I've quit facebook I don't play games like Mafia Wars and such. So my knowledge in that field is somewhat lacking to say the least - and you have a point there. Thanks for pointing that out.
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This test is flawed in many ways, in particular page loading time measurement methods and memory usage measurement. (read up on Working Set).
I love Opera, it's the best of everything. It has all the useful Firefox plugins built right in (AdBlock+, NoScript and GreaseMonkey), it's faster than everything else, it's got a mail client, chat, newsgroups and RSS too, Unite is cool (Unite MediaPlayer is awesome way of playing music between friends), Turbo works well on slow internet, and Operalink is essential to keep all my Opera installs (and my Mobile) in perfect sync.
I love Opera, it's the best of everything. It has all the useful Firefox plugins built right in (AdBlock+, NoScript and GreaseMonkey), it's faster than everything else, it's got a mail client, chat, newsgroups and RSS too, Unite is cool (Unite MediaPlayer is awesome way of playing music between friends), Turbo works well on slow internet, and Operalink is essential to keep all my Opera installs (and my Mobile) in perfect sync.
I'm going to agree with eddieroolz a bit here.
Another thing that has always bothered me is the emphasis on "web standards". Just because something has been adopted as a standard does not make it superior. It's a bit like people using the "global standard" of doing all of their engineering work in metric units. In most of the world, that may be how you do it, but a company that only does work in English units will do just fine in the US aerospace industry (in fact, the people conforming to "standards" will lose out in that environment).
When it comes like this, the emphasis on standards (which we knew IE8 would lose in) was a bit of a way of handing IE8 4 automatic losses. Tossing in HTML5 gives you 3 more automatic losses. Without knowing what is in the Futuremark test, it's hard to know what's going on there. If it includes more emphasis on these standards, it's a double-dip that hands in another automatic loss. When we drop those 8 losses, IE8 only has 4 losses, which is fewer than Opera or Safari.
I won't deny that some of those things will become important. I also won't deny the dismal JavaScript performance. But, I would also point out that some of the other browsers had more problems in running the "real world" tests. This should be worth a lot more negative points than failure to conform to "standards" which are not standard since the majority of people do not use them.
If some consortium in the US declared the standard for gas stations to be reporting price at the pump in euros/liter (based on the goal of one day bringing us into the euro fold and unifying the way people think of fuel costs and volumes), would we condemn every station that stuck with dollars/gallon? Probably not.
Another thing that has always bothered me is the emphasis on "web standards". Just because something has been adopted as a standard does not make it superior. It's a bit like people using the "global standard" of doing all of their engineering work in metric units. In most of the world, that may be how you do it, but a company that only does work in English units will do just fine in the US aerospace industry (in fact, the people conforming to "standards" will lose out in that environment).
When it comes like this, the emphasis on standards (which we knew IE8 would lose in) was a bit of a way of handing IE8 4 automatic losses. Tossing in HTML5 gives you 3 more automatic losses. Without knowing what is in the Futuremark test, it's hard to know what's going on there. If it includes more emphasis on these standards, it's a double-dip that hands in another automatic loss. When we drop those 8 losses, IE8 only has 4 losses, which is fewer than Opera or Safari.
I won't deny that some of those things will become important. I also won't deny the dismal JavaScript performance. But, I would also point out that some of the other browsers had more problems in running the "real world" tests. This should be worth a lot more negative points than failure to conform to "standards" which are not standard since the majority of people do not use them.
If some consortium in the US declared the standard for gas stations to be reporting price at the pump in euros/liter (based on the goal of one day bringing us into the euro fold and unifying the way people think of fuel costs and volumes), would we condemn every station that stuck with dollars/gallon? Probably not.
ok screw that :|
when any of the competition will have bookmarks like this
http://img715.imageshack.us/i/topsites.png/
or history like this
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/historya.png/
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/history2.png/
than we can talk :|
safari may indeed have memory problems or it may not be the fastest but those 3 pictures make me wanna stay with safari
when any of the competition will have bookmarks like this
http://img715.imageshack.us/i/topsites.png/
or history like this
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/historya.png/
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/history2.png/
than we can talk :|
safari may indeed have memory problems or it may not be the fastest but those 3 pictures make me wanna stay with safari
[citation][nom]FightingScallion[/nom]Just because something has been adopted as a standard does not make it superior.[/citation]
Yes, yes it does.
Your examples are both outlandish and incorrect as they neatly circumvent the real point of standards - interoperability. IE is rightly bashed over its lack of standards compliance as it has been forcing web developers to adapt their pages specifically for IE, something which has traditionally required about as much work hours as creating the content itself.
[citation][nom]FightingScallion[/nom]It's a bit like people using the "global standard" of doing all of their engineering work in metric units. In most of the world, that may be how you do it, but a company that only does work in English units will do just fine in the US aerospace industry.[/citation]
Metric is, for the measurement scales it encompasses, the global standard as defined by the Standards Institute. Thus you can drop the quotation marks.
I'm also curious as to whether or not you choose such a specific example knowing that it's trivially disproven? If you want a perfect example of why standards adherence is crucial in engineering you need look no further than the US aerospace industry.
Google 'nasa metric probe' and read for yourself.
Incidentally that's exactly what IE have been, and to a large extent still is, doing to the WWW.
Yes, yes it does.
Your examples are both outlandish and incorrect as they neatly circumvent the real point of standards - interoperability. IE is rightly bashed over its lack of standards compliance as it has been forcing web developers to adapt their pages specifically for IE, something which has traditionally required about as much work hours as creating the content itself.
[citation][nom]FightingScallion[/nom]It's a bit like people using the "global standard" of doing all of their engineering work in metric units. In most of the world, that may be how you do it, but a company that only does work in English units will do just fine in the US aerospace industry.[/citation]
Metric is, for the measurement scales it encompasses, the global standard as defined by the Standards Institute. Thus you can drop the quotation marks.
I'm also curious as to whether or not you choose such a specific example knowing that it's trivially disproven? If you want a perfect example of why standards adherence is crucial in engineering you need look no further than the US aerospace industry.
Google 'nasa metric probe' and read for yourself.
Incidentally that's exactly what IE have been, and to a large extent still is, doing to the WWW.
@SchizoFrog Hahahaha this just made my day, i have a very high-end pc, completely healthy, firefox randomly crashes, opera from 8+ tabs starts eating memory like crazy and puts 68%load on the cpu, safari is just sad, its slow you can notice it even loading a page you wrote on the notepad, and yet chrome 6 runs stable and silky smooth, i am yet to see a page that chrome is incompatible with... i7_920@3.6, 6gb@1600, gtx275, win7x64
Opera is good for benchmarks but not for real usage. Like the first tests demonstrate this.
Loading a real page, displaying pictures etc... its the real life. Doing JS benchmark is not a real life. (doing thousand of loop of the same operation is not relevant)
So Opera is NOT the fastest browser, its the slowest.
Loading a real page, displaying pictures etc... its the real life. Doing JS benchmark is not a real life. (doing thousand of loop of the same operation is not relevant)
So Opera is NOT the fastest browser, its the slowest.
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Am I the only one who found this article useless? This only pointed out that in the end, MOST of the things I use my browser for are going to be completely reliant on the speed and latency of my internet connection. Benchmarks that show a difference in milliseconds between most if not all of the contenders means exactly ZILCH. All it takes is one delayed "ad" to be pulled onto the page, which I notice I wait on ad sites including on a site more than the actual site I'm requesting, and these benchmarks mean nothing.
Frames per second differences of 1 or 2 frames? DON'T CARE! The only real differences were in processing of java and such.
The charts are incredibly and ridiculously created. Unless you actually READ the chart, it appears some browsers are more than double speed of others in most cases. But when you see the chart starts at 19 and stops at 22... Suddenly the little blue bar doesn't matter all that much.
Frames per second differences of 1 or 2 frames? DON'T CARE! The only real differences were in processing of java and such.
The charts are incredibly and ridiculously created. Unless you actually READ the chart, it appears some browsers are more than double speed of others in most cases. But when you see the chart starts at 19 and stops at 22... Suddenly the little blue bar doesn't matter all that much.
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[citation][nom]mx2138[/nom]I've been using Firefox for about to two years now. I can't get enough of adblock plus. One of my favorite plug-ins.[/citation]
there IS Adblock available on Chrome but I don't think it's same program...
Safari still says it's fastest browser but not in it's front page...
currently using FF 4 beta 1 here...so far it's working out but missing few plug-ins like Fastest Fox and Video Download Helper...
can't wait to use full FF 4 when it comes out...it seems to load pages faster even on this ancient Pentium D 2.89GHz with 1GB Ram on Vista....
there IS Adblock available on Chrome but I don't think it's same program...
Safari still says it's fastest browser but not in it's front page...
currently using FF 4 beta 1 here...so far it's working out but missing few plug-ins like Fastest Fox and Video Download Helper...
can't wait to use full FF 4 when it comes out...it seems to load pages faster even on this ancient Pentium D 2.89GHz with 1GB Ram on Vista....
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Loading pages from local disk is not a realistic test, try putting them on a self-hosted web server instead. Opera has a known performance bug with pages loaded from local disk (not relevant for web servers).
[citation][nom]rossirobi[/nom]ok screw that :|when any of the competition will have bookmarks like thishttp://img715.imageshack.us/i/topsites.png/or history like this http://img411.imageshack.us/i/historya.png/http://img411.imageshack.us/i/history2.png/than we can talk :|safari may indeed have memory problems or it may not be the fastest but those 3 pictures make me wanna stay with safari[/citation]
Ah yes, form over substance, the hallmark of Apple ;-p
Ah yes, form over substance, the hallmark of Apple ;-p
Good article, but one question/comment... if some of the tested browsers are optimized for >2 cores, whereas others are not, this could create a significant difference in browser scoring if a 3+ core processor were used for this test, right? Thus, in the future, might it be useful to run tests on both a dual and a triple/quad core processor (or run the same tests on a triple/quad core with cores disabled, to control for differences in clock speed etc?)
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Too many variables for this to mean all that much, but I'll admit that competition -- i.e., Browser Wars -- is good for all of us. That said, measuring differences in milliseconds is a bit unrealistic. Stick to seconds (1000 milliseconds), cuz anything less is not noticeable, esp. given the variations in internet service and additional plug-ins we may or may not use. If you compare Firefox using Adblock to others that have to load ads, who wins then? Personally I'll stick with Firefox until something else has all the features I need.
Question: I can't seem to get anywhere near the speeds Tom's gets. . .thank you Comcast internet service!
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Question: I can't seem to get anywhere near the speeds Tom's gets. . .thank you Comcast internet service!
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