What do you think of my new system?

[AMD_Man]

You RMA'ed your board just for a 5% increase in performance?
Isn't that a bit extreme? I could see if it didn't work.

No, I RMAed my board because the Ethernet Controller on-board failed. I decided to try RDRAM because I hadn't tried it yet. There's nothing like the feeling of having new hardware to try out.

Won't it be funny once the probe is completed and Rambus is bankrupt for fraud? heh .. just a random thought ...

Then the remaining RDRAM sticks on the market will sell for dirt cheap at which time I can get 4 sticks of 512MB PC1066 to replace my current RAM.

besides in benchmarks the memory i have is like 20% better then rdram in becnhmarks. Bandwidth means nothing. Have to remember latency too! Should have done the memory & cache benchmark. Should have gotten the corsair with the heat spreader on it.

PC800 scores ~2500-2600MB/s on a 400MHz FSB. PC800 scores ~2800-2900MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. PC1066 scores 3300-3400MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. What are you currently running your DDR RAM at? My DDR at 354MHz only scored ~2700MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. So PC800 is faster than DDR even at stock.

3DMark2001 is slightly faster and Quake III is a whole 10FPS-15FPS faster at PC800. It's a good 20FPS faster at PC1066. So yes, PC800 on a 533MHz FSB is ~5% faster than DDR333 (or DDR354 in my case) and PC1066 is ~10% than my DDR354.

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[AMD_Man]

The way I see it:

DDR RAM accelerates business apps and other apps that request constant small bursts of information from RAM (thus latency becomes a bigger factor).

RDRAM accelerates streaming apps that request large amounts of data from RAM. Therefore RDRAM improves the performance of video editing and games and other intensive apps.

<b><i>"A penny saved is a penny earned!"</i></b>

 

[chuck232]

Hmmmm... this makes me think, should I get a RDRAM mobo and RAM for my system? What do you think AMD_Man or anyone else? I'd like to know what you guys think. The only problem is, 512MB of DDR333 is $209CDN and the BD7II-RAID is $188CDN. 2x256MB of PC800 RDRAM is $298CDN and a TH7II is $195CDN. Seems quite a bit more... I dunno if the extra 10% is worth the extra $100.

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[Guest]

PC800 scores ~2500-2600MB/s on a 400MHz FSB. PC800 scores ~2800-2900MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. PC1066 scores 3300-3400MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. What are you currently running your DDR RAM at? My DDR at 354MHz only scored ~2700MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. So PC800 is faster than DDR even at stock.

3DMark2001 is slightly faster and Quake III is a whole 10FPS-15FPS faster at PC800. It's a good 20FPS faster at PC1066. So yes, PC800 on a 533MHz FSB is ~5% faster than DDR333 (or DDR354 in my case) and PC1066 is ~10% than my DDR354.

Yeah, GG PC800: <A HREF="http://www17.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q2/020501/ddr400vsrambus-06.html" target="_new">DDR-SDRAM vs. RDRAM: Different Chipsets Compared</A> from TomsHardware.        


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[BlackLoTuS]

i was thinking of getting some pc3200 or pssibly some new geil 3500 from www.ocsystem.com . I was wondering what your timing parameters allow at 200DDR (400 MHz)? The 3200 OCsystem settings are as follows:
Copper Heat Spreader
3-6-3 2T Timings
CAS 2
400(200) MHz
184 Pin Dimm
6 layer low noise PCB

would be nice to get 400mhz mmm...

 

[Guest]

wait a minute, did you just post antiproof to your earlier assertion?

corsair3200 you are one nutty fellow.

 

[Guest]

what?!? i don't follow you here?!?


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[Guest]

The overall RDRAM latency is superior than those of DDR. it is written somewhere under a THG article about this topic.


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[Guest]

the link you post clearly has the RDRAM boards way out front.

For your sake I do hope your just toying with me here.

 

[Guest]

thanks for the www.ocsystem.com site. very interesting & moreover with a i845g EpoX motherboard review. 😎

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[Guest]

hey, i speak about PC800 RDRAM versus DDR333. compare both memory from the benchmarks.


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[Guest]

and why not speak about something better, like PC1200?

I mean hey, mr/mrs fastest DDRRAM type for a name, wouldn't you go for PC1200 speeds if you had an 850 CS MB? After all your coveted corsairs and junk are probably just OC'd parts rated 266 anyway.

See, I'm guessing AMD_Man's probably an over clocker. He like any other PC800RDRAM(or slower) user/Tom's reader will immediately go for PC800+ the second they find out the parts work at stock speeds. I hear it works fairly consistently among more careful consumers.

edit oops changed DDR ----> DDRRAM<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by knewton on 07/11/02 06:40 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Copenhagen]

MeTaLrOcKeR, I'm able to tweak my Inno3D Tornado Geforce4 MX440 graphics card using PowerStrip.

Engine clock: 330 MHz (up from 270 MHz)
Memory clock: 500 MHz (up from 405 MHz)

On my currently stock cooled 1400MHz Tualatin Celeron @ 1722MHz on cheap PC133 SDRAM I still only get 5522 3DMark2001, running all the tests that the card support with the default test settings suggested by 3DMark2001:

Resolution and color depth: 1024x768, 32bit color
Antialiasing: None
Frame Buffer: Double
Texture format: Compressed
Z-buffer depth: 24 bit
Rendering pipeline: D3D Pure HardwareT&L

So I guess that your Athlon XP @ 1.66GHz is not doing that bad with its 6052 3DMark2001 score (9.6 % faster than my setup). Your MX440 is really holding you back, get rid of it and grab the cheapest 128MB Ti4200 you can find. Where I live, the cheapest Ti4200 128MB cost only about 50$ more than the cheapest MX440 64MB.

<i>/Copenhagen - Clockspeed will make the difference... in the end</i> 😎

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

"No, I RMAed my board because the Ethernet Controller on-board failed. I decided to try RDRAM because I hadn't tried it yet. There's nothing like the feeling of having new hardware to try out. "

ahhhh that sucks ... and ya new stuff is always cool. I just don't trust RDRAM and the company. DDR is here to stay.

"Then the remaining RDRAM sticks on the market will sell for dirt cheap at which time I can get 4 sticks of 512MB PC1066 to replace my current RAM. "

no, it would become super expensive as stock goes down and the demand goes up . It's the law of supply and demand.

"PC800 scores ~2500-2600MB/s on a 400MHz FSB. PC800 scores ~2800-2900MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. PC1066 scores 3300-3400MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. What are you currently running your DDR RAM at? My DDR at 354MHz only scored ~2700MB/s on a 533MHz FSB. So PC800 is faster than DDR even at stock. "

bah bandwidth isn't everything. RDRAM also has the higher latancy too. Run cache and memory benchmark in sisoft sandra. My memory crushed even rdram. I was running my memory at 340mhz at the time though i think. I'll have to rerun my benchmarks because i had to lower my cpu to 2.4ghz, 2.54 was unstable with seti. So i forget what that benchmark was for.

"3DMark2001 is slightly faster and Quake III is a whole 10FPS-15FPS faster at PC800. It's a good 20FPS faster at PC1066. So yes, PC800 on a 533MHz FSB is ~5% faster than DDR333 (or DDR354 in my case) and PC1066 is ~10% than my DDR354. "

It wouldn't matter for me because i have the AIW radeon. My graphics card is limited. Made no difference from 2.4 or 2.54ghz. I got the same score. So RDRAM woudln't have made any difference anyway. I took the technology most accepted.

I'll re-benchmark my computer. But right now my memory is running at 320mhz. so what 13mhz slower then 333. Won't make that much of a difference for the memory benchmark (not memory bandwidth but sandra has a memory benchmark too). Bandwidth isn't everything.

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=9933" target="_new"> My Rig </A>

 

[xxsk8er101xx]

ok i got some benchmarks:

This is the cache memory benchmark NOT the bandwidth benchmark. too bad i can't upload files so i can show you the picture. would be nice to have like a 150k quota even to upload an image but oh well.

"SiSoftware Sandra

Float iSSE2 Cache/Memory Results Breakdown
2kB Blocks : 25965MB/s
4kB Blocks : 26620MB/s
8kB Blocks : 21353MB/s
16kB Blocks : 18699MB/s
32kB Blocks : 18303MB/s
64kB Blocks : 18376MB/s
128kB Blocks : 18433MB/s
256kB Blocks : 17343MB/s
512kB Blocks : 13443MB/s
1MB Blocks : 1233MB/s
4MB Blocks : 1224MB/s
16MB Blocks : 1222MB/s
64MB Blocks : 1223MB/s
256MB Blocks : 1216MB/s
Data Item Size : 16-bytes / 128-bits
Buffering Used : No
Offset Displacement Used : Yes

Test Statistics
SMP Test : No
Total Test Threads : 1
SMT Test : No
Dynamic MP/MT Load Balance : No
Processor Affinity : No

Processor(s)
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
Speed : 2.41GHz
Performance Rating : PR2651 (estimated)
Internal Data Cache : 8kB synchronous write-back
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC synchronous ATC

Technology Support
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
Hyper-Threading Technology : No

System Chipset
Model : Abit Computer Corp 82845/E/MP/MZ Brookdale CPU to I/O Bridge
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 121MHz (484MHz data rate)
Max. Bus Bandwidth : 3872MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset Memory Banks
Bank 0 Setting : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.0-3-3CL
Bank 1 Setting : 256MB DDR-SDRAM 2.0-3-3CL
Memory Bus Speed : 2x 161MHz (322MHz data rate)
Max. Memory Bandwidth : 2576MB/s (estimated)"

For PCmark2002 i got:
cpu score: 5934
Mem score: 5720
HDD score 753

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=9933" target="_new"> My Rig </A>

 

[Guest]

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i've plugged my home blower to my case ... dunno what happen ... that works?!?