What is a better LGA option for future upgrades: 1150 or 2011?

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I am in the slow process of building a new rig, and this is going to be my dream machine. I am currently siding with the 2011 socket because it seems the boards have better options and CPU's to look forward to. I will be doing more than gaming, like working with various adobe products. The reason I am asking this is because on another forum there are a couple of individuals that keep putting down using a 2011 socket. First it was said the price difference was absurd, I discovered the 2011 set I want is only about $120 more expensive than a comparable 1150 set. Then it was said that the 2011 socket boards do not support PCIe 3.0 with 16 lanes, I researched and proved that wrong. Then it was mentioned that the X79 is kind of screwed since Haswell-E is supposed to support DDR4. But Haswell-E isn't out until around September yet and it will be considerably more expensive so...

What is your opinion on which is a better choice to build a dream machine?
 
It's kind of hard to predict at the moment. But most probably existing 2011 boards won't support the upcoming Haswell-Es, since the power regulation might be a lot different than the older generations to begin with. And there might be some other important differences.

Z97, on the other hand, will support the upcoming Broadwells. Well, we still don't know what do those Broadwells look like though. It might not be the cpu we think right now. And tbh I don't have high hopes about them. Also there isn't any obstacle for z87s to run Broadwells too, since the power design of these two chipsets is same. But it's Intel and we all know how they like to discard a relatively older chipset even though they are capable of running new stuff.

So imo it's not a good time to build a dream machine right now if you want an X series platform. Better wait and see.

However Z97s are in a more future proof position at the moment. At least until Skylakes are ready.
 


Z87 chipset supports the devil's canyon. Even the H series do.

Why would you think that it won't support devil's canyon? It's not an all new design or something. Just a new microcode. Easily supported after a bios update. Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, ASRock, Biostar and ECS, every manufacturer released their updates regarding devil's canyon even before the cpus hit the shelves.

Also there isn't any obstacle for z87s to run a Broadwell chip. Both 8 and 9 chipsets have the same power regulation and design. 9 chipset is just the same shit with more makeup. :)

But in the end it's Intel's decision. They couldn't prevent the manufacturers from releasing bios updates for a refreshed chip but they can do that for a completely new one. We all know how they can become dirty if it comes to money.

 
From what I understand there is no guarantee that they will keep it the same chipset. Even if they do it looks like I may be staying with the LGA 2011. I don't want to wait until near the end of the year to finish this build or even if by then. With what is currently available the LGA 2011 sems like the best option for me. Besides I like gadgets and the Asus Rampage IV Black Edition EATX DDR3 2133 Intel LGA 2011 Motherboard is loaded with them. I really like the OC panel. I haven't completely decided yet to go with this board but If I could find a comparable board in the Z97 boards I might go that route. It all depends. I am looking for something with a little more and a little different, but that's me.

Bruce
 
But people are saying that when the skylake processors come next year, intel will have a new socket for them !
So can't say right now..
Though x99 will be there for broadwell this year!
 
But if I keep waiting until the next chipset or processor to come out to build my dream machine, I will do nothing but continually keep waiting. This build may not get finished until September but I would like to start now and I don't want to wait much longer. Well, I already actually have started getting the parts. I just haven't got the main pieces yet like the CPU and MB (already have 16gb of RAM, but may get another 16gb before the build is finished). I am going with a full tower so just about any ATX or EATX board will fit.
 


Then go for the i5 4690K or i7 4790K the devil's canyon! x99
Released in june only!
The chipset doesn't matters.. coz it changes every 2-3yrs approxly
The cpu is future proof with overclock capabilities up to 5 or 5.5Ghz in i7 ...
And reviewers are saying that once overclocked it is future proof upto 3yrs!
 


In that case, any suggestions in the 1150 chipset for a comparable MB to the Asus Rampage 4 black edition?
I need wifi/Bluetooth cpability.

Bruce

EDIT: According to a recent search, X99 supports socket 2011....
 


Asus released this for the devils canyon only !
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_VII_HERO/
but it doesn't has wifi i guess..
.
This is the comparison -
http://www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Z97/comparison/
though ASUS Z97 deluxe, has wifi
 
Yes, X99 is lga 2011 and it's for Haswell-E not for Broadwells.

Also Intel will have a new chipset for Skylake as well.

Buying a 2011 board now might not be future proof like I said. Because most likely new Haswell-Es won't work on older 2011 boards.

So if you want to build a dream pc now. The best option is getting a 4790K and a z97 board.

Here are some great boards with wi-fi/bluetooth/widi capability and over the top overclocking potential.

MSI z97-Mpower MAX AC:

Digitally controlled 6+1 true phases doubled to 12. 12x of on-semi powerpak mosfets and 12x high quality ferrite inductors rated at 60amps. Capacitors are some custom made tantalum poscaps probably from Panasonic. These are highly conductive caps and rated at 200k hours @ 85C (and that temperature only happens under high overclock and full load, so it's pretty much impossible to hit.)

Also note that MSI team get the 1st position for water/air cooled cpu overclocking at Intel's OC event at Computex this year with this board. Which means they beat Asus, Gigabyte and ASRock. :)

Asus z97 Deluxe:

This board has digitally controlled 8 true phases doubled to 16 with some doubler drivers. 16x of nxp lfpak mosfets. Tad less efficient than the MSI ones. 16x of gold plated 60 amp inductors. And also some standard 5k rated solid polymer caps.

It actually looks tad more powerful (output-wise) than the MPower MAX, but the difference is impossible to notice since you'll be limited by your cpu chip long before you hit the motherboards full overclock capabilities. And also when it comes to overclock, efficiency and stability of the design comes first and MSI already proven themselves at Computex this year.

Also Mpower has slightly better onboard audio solution. Both has Realtek's alc 1150 codec though. And use pcb seperation, emi shielding and 600ohm amplifiers. But MSI employs highest quality nichicon audio caps which are the same ones that used in top notch studio grade solutions.

I don't know if ASRock made a wifi version of OC Formula this year. Z87 one had a quality wi-fi but I couldn't see any note for z97 oc formula. It's actually a solid board for stable overclocking. But since you want wi-fi capabilities z97 oc formula might not be an option for you.

If you want a really overkill board you might want to check MSI z97 Xpower AC and Asus Z97 WS.

Xpower's VRM is the most overkill and the most expensive vrm in the market atm. 8 true phases (digital) doubled to 16. 16x International Recfitifier powIRstages 3550 mosfets, each of them capable of 60A constant. 16x high quality 60amps ferrite chokes. Shit loads of tantalum poscaps all around the board etc...

WS also has a similar vrm design. Digitally controlled 8 true phase, no doubler. 8x of the same mosfets. 8x 60 amps gold plated chokes and 12K rated top notch platinum capacitors.

But to be honest both of these boards are really overkill. WS is actually a work station motherboard. Xpower AC, on the other hand, is focused on LN2 overclocking. So I really wouldn't really go for these two, since they are unneccesarily expensive.
 
I get the expensive part, I keep adding and adding cost "overheads". I really want to build a kickass system with great overclocking potential. I am still learning when it comes to MB's and such. I do like the sound options as I think higher quality sound makes a difference when it comes to certain games and my music. I have a set of Logitech z906 speakers and I currently use them with my Sound Blaster Zx card via optical out. But it sounds as though those boards may produce better sound quality. I have some more research to do and some time before I can start purchasing the core components (2 maybe 3 weeks), so please keep this discussion going. I also plan on eventually at least going dual SLI, right now my target card is the EVGA GTX 770 4gb card for about $409. But we'll see how prices drop over the next month or so. The video card(s) will probably be my final purchase for this rig. I am currently still fixated with the Asus Rampage IV Black ed. It is such a sweet board. Though you have convinced me to do some more research on a z97 board.
 


Thanks for the convincing part, but you can wait too. Because has been released just, so the MoBo will come eventually ! like MSI has also given a model last week!
 
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