[SOLVED] what mb for i5 9600k or i5 9400?

[Palaza]

has to be 1151 socket and would be nice if it could support 3600 MHz if someone knows a board cheaper than 125$ please leave a comment

this is the best one yet : MSI z390-a pro
RAM (if someone knows this brand and knows it can be trusted please tell me because 16gb ddr4 3600 MHz for 77$ is weird) : XPG

 

[Lutfij]

If going with a K suffix processor, you should look at the Z370/390. If you're looking at a non K suffix processor, you should be good with a B360 chipset motherboard. Preferred site for purchase? If you get the Z series, you should pick DDR4-3200MHz rams at the least. If the B series, you should not go beyond DDR4-2666MHz.

FYI, both your links show the same item, i.e, the ram.

 

[Third-Eye]

has to be 1151 socket and would be nice if it could support 3600 MHz if someone knows a board cheaper than 125$ please leave a comment

this is the best one yet : MSI z390-a pro

Why not get an i5-10400 or 10600(K) instead? Are they available to you? What is the overall cost of a 10600K and Z490 compared to the 9600K and Z390? 6cores/12threads with hyper threading will make either CPU last far longer than an i5-9600K with only 6 cores/6threads.

 

[logainofhades]

Z series board is required to run that fast of ram? Why are you looking at last gen chips?

 

[geofelt]

Why do you need a lga1151 motherboard?
Do you already own a 9600K or a 9400f?

Why 3600 speed ram?
Intel does not much care about ram speeds.

If you are buying new, I think there are better options in the 10th gen line.

 

[Palaza]

Why not get an i5-10400 or 10600(K) instead? Are they available to you? What is the overall cost of a 10600K and Z490 compared to the 9600K and Z390? 6cores/12threads with hyper threading will make either CPU last far longer than an i5-9600K with only 6 cores/6threads.

I have looked at 10400 and it seems pretty good for 180$ but the 10600k is 80$ more than my cpu budget
is it better to go with the 10th gen even thought the 9th gen one is ~6% better (according to userbenchmark)?

 

[Palaza]

If going with a K suffix processor, you should look at the Z370/390. If you're looking at a non K suffix processor, you should be good with a B360 chipset motherboard. Preferred site for purchase? If you get the Z series, you should pick DDR4-3200MHz rams at the least. If the B series, you should not go beyond DDR4-2666MHz.

FYI, both your links show the same item, i.e, the ram.

Oh yeah I did accidently link the ram twice thanks
preferred site would be either amazon newegg or b&h
I think I am set on buying that ram because of the price and the looks
also what would ur CPU recommendation be at that price range(below 200$ max 210$ if it's worth it)

 

[Palaza]

Z series board is required to run that fast of ram? Why are you looking at last gen chips?

I picked the 9600k based on userbenchmarks by the looks of it 9600k is dominating the charts the from price to performance ratio.
what other CPU Would u recommend?

 

[Palaza]

Why do you need a lga1151 motherboard?
Do you already own a 9600K or a 9400f?

Why 3600 speed ram?
Intel does not much care about ram speeds.

If you are buying new, I think there are better options in the 10th gen line.

I don't own the CPUs yet but I thought I would be buying 9th gens until posting here. the new recommendations were 10 gens specifically 10400 but for 20$ more wouldn't the 9600k make a better choice?

also the RAM is 3600MHz for future-proofing and because I found it at an affordable price

 

[sizzling]

I personally would avoid 9th gen i5’s. Only having 6 threads is a big negative in my view. While the 9600k can do very well for gaming today we are already seeing it be pushed very hard in some games with the 6 threads running at or near 100%. There are a few games where the average FPS is still very good but the minimums are lower than CPU’s with more threads. If me I would go either 10th gen that is 6 core 12 thread or AMD. Normally I’d say 3600/3600X but with 5000 series due to be announced on the 8th October I’d wait and see what these offer.

 

[logainofhades]

I picked the 9600k based on userbenchmarks by the looks of it 9600k is dominating the charts the from price to performance ratio.
what other CPU Would u recommend?

Userbenchmark is a trash site. Either go with an AMD Ryzen 3600/3700x, or an i5 10600k, if buying now. I personally would wait for 4th gen Ryzen, if you can. It is to be announced Oct. 8.

 

[Palaza]

Userbenchmark is a trash site. Either go with an AMD Ryzen 3600/3700x, or an i5 10600k, if buying now. I personally would wait for 4th gen Ryzen, if you can. It is to be announced Oct. 8.

Yeah I wondered in a previous reply if it was a trusted site waiting for oct 8th to come around seems to be the best choice thanks

 

[Palaza]

I personally would avoid 9th gen i5’s. Only having 6 threads is a big negative in my view. While the 9600k can do very well for gaming today we are already seeing it be pushed very hard in some games with the 6 threads running at or near 100%. There are a few games where the average FPS is still very good but the minimums are lower than CPU’s with more threads. If me I would go either 10th gen that is 6 core 12 thread or AMD. Normally I’d say 3600/3600X but with 5000 series due to be announced on the 8th October I’d wait and see what these offer.

Thanks I think I will take the advice and wait

 

[geofelt]

If you are buying new, buy the latest generation product.
New products are not introduced if they do not perform better than what they replace.

9600K is a good gamer, particularly because of the good single thread performance.
Few games can make effective use of more than the 6 threads it has.
To get full performance out of a 9600K, you will need a Z490 based motherboard so you can overclock as the K was intended to do. They are about $150.
You will also need to budget for a decent air cooler. Plan on $50-$80 for that.
The 9600K has 6 threads and a passmark rating of 10899. That is when all 6 threads are fully utilized.
The single thread rating is 2790 which is most important for games.
A 9600K is about $200 and does not come with a cpu cooler.

The alternative i5-10400 has 12 threads and a passmark rating of 12702 with a single thread rating of 2609.
It costs about $180. It includes a perfectly good cpu cooler.
A B460 based motherboard will be about $75

Intel does not depend much on fast ram for performance.
The difference between 3600 and 2666 speed is in the low single digit percentage.
If you found a 3600 speed kit that you like at a good price, you can use it with either processor.
It will run at 3600 speed on a X490 motherboard.
On the B460 motherboard it will default to 2666 speed. No problem there.

Here is a review of the i5-10400:

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

Of note, they compared using 3200 speed ram using a Z490 motherboard with 2666 speed.
About a 4% difference.
The processor was a i5-10400F. The f suffix denotes no integrated graphics, it is otherwise identical to the i5-10400. For whatever reason, the i5-10400F versions are more expensive which does not make any sense.

 

[Palaza]

If you are buying new, buy the latest generation product.
New products are not introduced if they do not perform better than what they replace.

9600K is a good gamer, particularly because of the good single thread performance.
Few games can make effective use of more than the 6 threads it has.
To get full performance out of a 9600K, you will need a Z490 based motherboard so you can overclock as the K was intended to do. They are about $150.
You will also need to budget for a decent air cooler. Plan on $50-$80 for that.
The 9600K has 6 threads and a passmark rating of 10899. That is when all 6 threads are fully utilized.
The single thread rating is 2790 which is most important for games.
A 9600K is about $200 and does not come with a cpu cooler.

The alternative i5-10400 has 12 threads and a passmark rating of 12702 with a single thread rating of 1609.
It costs about $180. It includes a perfectly good cpu cooler.
A B460 based motherboard will be about $75

Intel does not depend much on fast ram for performance.
The difference between 3600 and 2666 speed is in the low single digit percentage.
If you found a 3600 speed kit that you like at a good price, you can use it with either processor.
It will run at 3600 speed on a X490 motherboard.
On the B460 motherboard it will default to 2666 speed. No problem there.

Here is a review of the i5-10400:

Intel Core i5-10400F Review - Six Cores with HT for Under $200

Intel's new Core i5-10400F offers a large performance jump over the previous generation Core i5-9400F because of its six-core/twelve-thread design. In this Core i5-10400F review we also test the feasibility of overclocking through BCLK, or by relaxing the PL1 and PL2 Turbo Limits.

www.techpowerup.com

Of note, they compared using 3200 speed ram using a Z490 motherboard with 2666 speed.
About a 4% difference.
The processor was a i5-10400F. The f suffix denotes no integrated graphics, it is otherwise identical to the i5-10400. For whatever reason, the i5-10400F versions are more expensive which does not make any sense.

thank you for a very detailed explanation did help clear up couple of things that I was confused by.
made me reconsider thank you again

 

[geofelt]

thank you for a very detailed explanation did help clear up couple of things that I was confused by.
made me reconsider thank you again

I had the 10400 single thread performance wrong, it was a typo. I said 1609 when it really should have been 2609.

 

[Palaza]

I had the 10400 single thread performance wrong, it was a typo. I said 1609 when it really should have been 2609.

no worries after reading the reply I checked passmark and saw the mark