What's behind all these school shootings?

[4Ryan6]

When I was younger going through school and we had arguments with others, we had the same problems with bullying and such as that, we avoided those popular for bullying as much as possible, and occasionally got our butts kicked when they caught up to us.

We had many fights on the school bus and after school and such as that, but we never even considered taking a gun or knife to school, even though they were available to most all of us!

What is going on today people?

What creates a mental attitude that a young person decides to self destruct and take others with them in the process?

Has technology of today affected the minds of individuals to the point of no return, through long term violent gaming?

Or is it drugs?

Peer pressure?

Or a combination of it all?

 

[musical marv]

When I was younger going through school and we had arguments with others, we had the same problems with bullying and such as that, we avoided those popular for bullying as much as possible, and occasionally got our butts kicked when they caught up to us.

We had many fights on the school bus and after school and such as that, but we never even considered taking a gun or knife to school, even though they were available to most all of us!

What is going on today people?

What creates a mental attitude that a young person decides to self destruct and take others with them in the process?

Has technology of today affected the minds of individuals to the point of no return, through long term violent gaming?

Or is it drugs?

Peer pressure?

Or a combination of it all?

Unfortunately we are living in a sick society today as the word respect is no longer honored any longer.To much internet and not enough pure communication among humans today.To much liberation also.Really sad indeed among the young people today.

 

[4Ryan6]

Unfortunately we are living in a sick society today as the word respect is no longer honored any longer.To much internet and not enough pure communication among humans today.To much liberation also.Really sad indeed among the young people today.

That's so true Marv.

 

[dogman_1234]

Unfortunately we are living in a sick society today as the word respect is no longer honored any longer.To much internet and not enough pure communication among humans today.To much liberation also.Really sad indeed among the young people today.

That's so true Marv.

What's wrong with me?

 

[gropouce]

Unfortunately we are living in a sick society today as the word respect is no longer honored any longer.To much internet and not enough pure communication among humans today.To much liberation also.Really sad indeed among the young people today.

That's so true Marv.

Not enough communication ???
Related to what ? related to the time when they were no smarphones ?

I don't agree with that. on the contrary, i believe there is too much communication, today, and it may be part of the problem,
Remember those times :

 

[4Ryan6]

I took his meaning as the lack of face to face human interaction!

Your picture is a good example of it's early days of growth, no one is talking to each other!

The coldest times I ever encountered was riding the subway in Washington DC, not because of the temperature, because of the people!

We talk to each other where I live down south in the USA, and it was a completely different experience up in Washington DC!

People up there don't know who to trust, so they don't talk to anyone!

They all have this concrete stare of fear!

 

[chunkymonster]

Thanks OMG_73 for posting these...

I'd like to refresh your thread Ry if you don't mind.

In the recent school shooting at Arapahoe High School in Colorado, the incident only lasted 80 seconds. I remember hearing this in the original coverage and how it was held up as such a relief as it probably saved lives. Particularly on CNN's coverage. Yes libs, I do watch CNN sometimes. Gasp!

Not one MSM outlet (including FOX) focused on why it only lasted 80 seconds. I recently found out the why and am interested in hearing the opinion of the expanded minds we have here in news & leisure.

1) Can you answer the why it only lasted 80 seconds?

2) Can you answer why it wasn't more widely covered in the MSM? Opinions count as possible answers on this on. There are several whys, usually five. *hint, find what type of weapon the perp used and it will help answer #2.

First, he was there to kill a teacher not a love interest. He loudly stated this when he entered the school. The teacher was able to flee the campus in the 80 seconds and the shooter never found him/her.

It only lasted 80 seconds because that was how long it took the armed security officer on campus to reach the shooter. When confronted by the armed guard, the shooter took his own life.

1) armed guard on campus, not widely reported in major media outlets

2) shooter used a 12 ga. pump-action shotgun. NOT a scary looking "military-style" assault rifle or semi-automatic handgun with a high capacity magazine. For the uninformed, a shotgun is a more powerful and devastating weapon than what the media calls an "assault rifle". It can fire 12, 30 cal. pellets at 1350 feet per second with a single trigger pull.

3) the shooter was self-proclaimed radical Marxist who frequently got into arguments with his teachers over political views. This is evidenced by the shooters own Facebook page, not reported by major media and has since has been censored/deleted.

What's the saying? Perception is reality? Well, major media is creating their own reality for us to perceive. Get the facts and form your own conclusions.

Yeah, this shooting barely made a blip on any major news outlet. From what little reports there were, the fact that there was an armed guard at the school was key in the shooter committing suicide.

According to Sheriff Grayson Robinson, Pierson (the shooter, op edit) realized this, which was a “critical element to the shooter’s decision” to commit suicide. Robinson later said of the armed deputy's actions: "We believe that that action was absolutely critical to the fact that we didn’t have more deaths and injuries."

But, please don't dare say that the notion of the bad guy getting shot by a good guy with a gun is any kind of deterrent.

The comment about a shotgun being more devastating than a media popularized "assault weapon" or semi-auto handgun is loud and clear. I mean, #00 shot is in terms of muzzle energy, for all intents and purposes, is the equivalent of nine 9mm rounds fired simultaneously!

And, the idea that the shooter was left leaning and mentally unstable is something that will never be highlighted by the anti-gun crowd. But I am quite sure they will parade the poor little girl's family in front of the camera to promote more legislation in a State where pro-gun businesses and supporters already rejected previous gun laws.

 

[4Ryan6]

No one knows the mental state of the perpetrator or whether he had any fear at all regarding an armed security guards presence, surely he knew of the guards site presence, was that not the guards daily job.

I personally think, and it's my own opinion, that the perp was not ready for the reality of looking at what he had done to the girl.

There's a big difference between thinking and actually doing and looking at the aftermath of his actions.

I don't think he was a dedicated killer, because if he was the blood would have spurned him on, I don't think he could deal with the reality of his actions of the moment, and that's why he killed himself.

My Opinion, OK.

What the media assumes is irrelevant, they'll always paint the picture the way they want it portrayed anyway.

 

[4Ryan6]

Affirmative OMG, I see what you mean!

 

[dogman_1234]

You have to remember Ry. The media narrative is that all shooters are right wing members of the TEA party. If the facts do not fit the established narrative, it gets glossed over.

That is not what I get out of it.

I see a failure of our mental health system. I see a faulure of our culture to educate people the proper use of a weapon.

These things are a threat to our national security. Not terrorists.

 

[chunkymonster]

That is not what I get out of it.

I see a failure of our mental health system. I see a faulure of our culture to educate people the proper use of a weapon.

These things are a threat to our national security. Not terrorists.

Oh the irony dogman! Typically the anti-gun crowd are also the same people who advocate public education when it is exactly a proper education of firearms that would help prevent these tragedies.

 

[amdfangirl]

*mutters something about better parenting than buying an iPad to shut up the kids*

 

[musical marv]

Education, i guess.
When i was i child, if i didn't show a minimum of respect for others, i was a$$-kicked until death.

yesterday, at work, a 12y.o guys tell me to do something to my mother because he had to wait too much time before i examine him. (he said he has a broken arm and actually had nothing like this, but nevermind.)

I just hope it is "bad times" and "things will get better", but...

Hopefully they will. We are existing in a sick world today.

 

[gropouce]

More or less...

Just look at the national news, what do i learn:
- one guy is in prison because he found "funny" to film himself throwing a kitten against a wall.
- three teenagers are in trouble for assaulting a mentally handicapped person. Again, they filmed it... we can hear them laugh to death while they are throwing this poor guy in the river.

I could kill, sometimes, i swear.
When i worked in jail, i met some people who were guilty of terrible things, but who knew what respect is...

 

[4Ryan6]

More or less...

Just look at the national news, what do i learn:
- one guy is in prison because he found "funny" to film himself throwing a kitten against a wall.
- three teenagers are in trouble for assaulting a mentally handicapped person. Again, they filmed it... we can hear them laugh to death while they are throwing this poor guy in the river.

I could kill, sometimes, i swear.
When i worked in jail, i met some people who were guilty of terrible things, but who knew what respect is...

When I've mentioned the gangs around our area some are just local neighborhood grouping really doing silly stupid stuff like shooting out street lights, playing pranks on non gang members, but not really seriously hurting others.

Then the hardcore gangs are those that require committing a criminal act as gang membership, those gangs are the high crime element usually doing serious harm for no more gain than recognition.

However almost zero of them are involved in school shootings as most all have additionally dropped out of school and have nothing to do with it.

Even though the gang element can be some of the most senseless criminal acts, sometimes the school environment can push individuals to a state of desperation to do the unthinkable.

Bullying seems to be a major problem in schools apparently much worse than when I was in school, maybe kids today just cannot run as fast as we could? :lol:

Individual bullying is one thing group bullying is another story and we seem to be seeing more and more of that type bullying going on these days?

Group bullying in school is the base for gang growth later, when the bullying leads to expulsion from school!

Which is great for the victims but bad for the bullying mentality that doesn't just stop with expulsion?

In a lot of cases the only thing that stops individual bullying is when the victim has finally had enough and snaps and stomps the bullys A$$.

Usually group bullying has a leader and it's usually the so called baddest member of the group and in a fight confrontation he or she is the first one to eliminate and once the bad one is down, you usually don't have to fight the rest.

I think what may be missing in this day and time is the raw physicality we had growing up, we did not have computers, X Boxes, Play Stations, Smart Phones, Tablets, etc., we went outside every single day when we were younger and basically played games, baseball, football, tennis, chase, we never had a problem entertaining ourselves and it was all physical exertion.

So we were actually stronger physically back then and more able to defend ourselves than it seems is the norm today, that those that are bullied today seem to drop so far into despair they reach for an equalizer that ends in death.

Just My Opinion OK.

 

[4Ryan6]

Sometimes in life you have to take a physical stand whether you get your a$$ whipped or not! Thats a Ryism!

 

[chunkymonster]

*mutters something about better parenting than buying an iPad to shut up the kids*

Right on amdfangirl!

Another point i'd like to bring up in my post about the media reporting or lack thereof is the number of Americans who get the majority of their information from 20 sec. sound bytes on the nightly news, or Jon Stewart. That picture of all the people reading the newspaper on the morning commute says a lot. I bet those people were better informed than your average American now with an smart phone.

Wayne LaPierre of the NRA was laughed at, scoffed, called a moron, etc. for suggesting armed guards to guard our children at school. Here, a real world example of an armed guard on campus making a difference and saving lives. No wonder they just glossed over it.

I said it once and i'll say it again. Armed guards watch our money, and other valuables or material things. Our kids are not worthy of the same? Wow, all the important peoples' kids get armed guards. Us lowly plebes just have to fend for ourselves I guess. /sarc

Sometimes in life you have to take a physical stand whether you get your a$$ whipped or not! Thats a Ryism!

+1...all of it!

 

[amdfangirl]

So we were actually stronger physically back then and more able to defend ourselves than it seems is the norm today, that those that are bullied today seem to drop so far into despair they reach for an equalizer that ends in death.

Well the problem lies here: Because most families need both parents working or a single parent household, they tend to use computers/iPads to keep their children quiet.

Children that don't play tag, soccer, tennis etc. tend to have less confidence to do so.

These children usually do what they're comfortable with... so computing.

This leads to or re-enforce anti-social behaviour/internet addiction.

So we end up with wimpy kids who play CoD all day.

Without any proper parenting they solve problems like bullying the same way they solve it in game.

By shooting people. Duh.

Not to saying all people who play CoD become rampaging idiots. I mean like I'm yet to... :3

Just saying it's really difficult to stand up to these guys... even just a little bit if you're a weak little shrimp who games/browses the internet all day.

We've got a generation of people used to getting whatever they want in video games.

I mean like if I can seduce Leliana in Dragon Age: Origins with a bunch of virtual flowers and chocolate... then why is that girl Rachel in class refusing me?

Irresistible even to someone so awesome like me? I gave her the flowers... the everything...

 

[4Ryan6]

Technology today is like, candy to a baby yesterday!

We can now begin to see the problem, but there is no solid answer, to repairing the damage done.

Blame this, blame that, but the problem is ever growing.

 

[amdfangirl]

The problem is never the technology.

It's how humans choose to use it.

GPS can be used to fire a missile or direct a man to McDonalds.

(Or preferably fire a missile at McDonalds, but I digress)

 

[Hawkeye22]

I totally agree that most children could use a good smack in the mouth! And, I also totally agree that some parents today let their kids run all over them. I see it at every Cub Scout meeting. The two things children need the most is structure and discipline!

Aside from mental illness, I agree with chunkymonster - The two things children need the most is structure and discipline!

Someone had written some gibberish about problems with single parent families. I find this hard to believe. I'm a single father and have always taught my son to respect other people. And though he has been gaming since he was 10 years old or so, I always explained the difference between fiction and real life. He knows that killing someone in Battlefield 4 is not the same as killing in real life. I'm also a hunter and taught my son to hunt so he knows full well what a real gun can do. Hunting is a sport, but I've always taught respect for all life. My son and I only kill what we will eat. Senseless killing is something nobody needs.

 

[musical marv]

I cannot give an answer. I don't own a weapon of any sort, I have no real enemies,( just people whom generally have pissed me off,) and I have not pre-meditated any crimes.

The last guy who got on my nerves, got the cold shoulder, and a kid on a flight to Seattle.

I just walk away.

Coudn't tell you, since many here are gun owners; they may have some more insight. Could be the easy access for younger Americans to utilize as a leveraging tool against their anger at the world. I blame the parents for not buying safes and/or safeguarding guns from ill-gotten people, like their hormonal teens. Another reason: parents are not willing to educate young Willy on the proper safety of gun use, and the appropriate times to use it.

Good for you.