whats so good about 64bit cpus?

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Your being focused on a "personal consumer" level of thinking. Where are most of the machines in this world? in business, mostly as servers....as far as the expansion in the MS OS world, the only reason servers are "allowed" that much memory is for ..... wait for it.......wait for it......clustering. yes there is the answer. CLUSTERING. I don't think you've even heard of the term. What does clustering do you ask? It allows multiple proccessors , "gasp", with their own memory, upto 8gigs ecc for each proccessor, "gasp x2", to run as a SINGLE MACHINE! Do you think google has just one machine giving you their website?

BTW most of your MAJOR companies use 64 software on a regular basis. Microsoft, AT&T, Sprint, anyone that has a major website, all use 64bit OS becuase it moves faster. Its like a highway man, the more lanes, the more traffic you can hold.

WRONG, all COMPLETELY WRONG.

PAE is a good move for companies that run database servers, yet don't want to spend money and go bankrupt by buying a 64bit platform.
http://www.osronline.com/ddkx/appendix/pae_3oyn.htm

Your being focused on a "personal consumer" level of thinking.

No i'm not, I am talking about 64bit in general.

Where are most of the machines in this world? in business, mostly as servers....as far as the expansion in the MS OS world

Most computers are not servers, but are personal computers. Logically thinking, there is way over 10 times the computers that do not need 64bit support, than the ones that might need it without the use of PAE.

the only reason servers are "allowed" that much memory is for ..... wait for it.......wait for it......clustering. yes there is the answer. CLUSTERING.

Wrong, that is an incorrect awnser. Its called PAE which allows more memory for 32bit systems.

It allows multiple proccessors , "gasp", with their own memory, upto 8gigs ecc for each proccessor, "gasp x2", to run as a SINGLE MACHINE! Do you think google has just one machine giving you their website?

The point? Of course I know that google/yahoo has hundreds / thousands of computers that do their tasks, it can all still be done in 32bit. The average home user does not cluster.

BTW most of your MAJOR companies use 64 software on a regular basis. Microsoft, AT&T, Sprint, anyone that has a major website, all use 64bit OS becuase it moves faster.

BTW most of your MAJOR companies actually use 32bit software within them, such as windows 2000 and windows xp, and for there website hosting use 64bit, even though there are 32bit website servers that are fast. 64bit does not mean faster, programming and the cpu does.
 
No you won't accept the truth because you're a moron. Its clear that you came here just argue because every single post from you has been in this one thread.

Get over PAE, its a hack and a sh!tty one at that.

Please people for the love of god just don't post in this thread.
 
...yeah... i mean... ...if hes just here to create conflict, shouldnt he be banned or something?... or does he need to be doing something more destructive...
 
nesck said:
128GB is only possible on cpu's with 64bit extensions.

WRONG, http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/pae_os.mspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM64T

EM64T is the extension that allows >64gig to be addressed in 32bit mode.
You are correct, pae has been put in so people don't have to update hardware, but it is simply emulating a 'pro' of 64bit, and is a cheap hack.

Go read the IA32 Manuals, then come back argueing with the people who make the processors.
 
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NESK... you need help... its called obsesive compulsive dissorder.... but they have medicine for that... if i were you i'd go to a doctor, and get on meds as fast as possible in order not to embarass my self any more.
 
This guy really knows nothing about computers.

He thinks C/C++ programs aren't compiled INTO ASSEMBLY!
ie 32-bit or 64-bit ASSEMBLY.
ie twice as large files!

And his argument to anything he can't refute is that HE DOESNT DO THAT so its not important. ie video editting.

But a lot of computer users edit their videos from their camcorders on their PC's. 64-bit would allow them to edit a lot larger files, easier, and higher res versions (ie when HD camcorders arrive).

This guy knows almost nothing about computers, he's just some teenager who's getting a kick baiting people, just spitting out the few terms he has memorized without using them properly.

ie. PAE is a hack to get around the 32 bit address limit. It allows processes to get access to 36-bit's worth of data using 32 bit addresses via segment registers.

He doesnt even know what an analogy is. ie 16 bit is to 32 bit as 32 bit is to 64 bit. So talking about how people transitioned to 32-bit from 16-bit, and why some resisted, and why it took so long, MIRRORS what is happening in the transition to 64-bit.

ie, saying the difference in 16-bit to 32-bit is extreme but the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit is hard to see.

The point is, it was hard to see back then too, because they didnt have the 32 bit applications yet. HIND SIGHT IS 20/20.

And he is studid enough to say that whats the point of a 128-bit data bus when its not needed in the first place.

Tell that to the graphic card companies. Why did they go to 128-bit or even 256-bit data buses to their ram. BECAUSE IT WAS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT THE NEWER FEATURES.

If INTEL changed to a 256-bit interface to ram, they could jam more pixels into the SSE instructions at a time and do more powerful video processing. Which opens up entire new vistas of possible applications.

But based on how this kid replies to messages he has no logical answer to, he will probably see I used the word "Vista" and go off on a tangent about Windows Vista instead of refuting the argument.
 
This guy really knows nothing about computers.

He thinks C/C++ programs aren't compiled INTO ASSEMBLY!
ie 32-bit or 64-bit ASSEMBLY.
ie twice as large files!

No I didn't, and 64-bit assembly is longer than 32-bit assembly for programs. Using more cpu usage.

And his argument to anything he can't refute is that HE DOESNT DO THAT so its not important. ie video editting.

Very few people actually do video editting, don't you need a program to even video edit? How many people out of the entire world of computer users actually have those programs?

But a lot of computer users edit their videos from their camcorders on their PC's. 64-bit would allow them to edit a lot larger files, easier, and higher res versions (ie when HD camcorders arrive).

Not everyone is getting a HD camcorder, and the claim that 64-bit allows them to edit a lot of larger files, easier, and higher res versions is completely FALSE.


This guy knows almost nothing about computers, he's just some teenager who's getting a kick baiting people, just spitting out the few terms he has memorized without using them properly.

all those sentences are nothing but opinions and assumptions.

ie. PAE is a hack to get around the 32 bit address limit. It allows processes to get access to 36-bit's worth of data using 32 bit addresses via segment registers.

WRONG, Its 40 bits on the PTE TABLE, 37bits can actually be used for PAE, to make 128GB, tard.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8ThZ7y67oyUJ:www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/149307.htm

Under the table, you'll see an Intel non-EMT64 system has 40bit PA.

PAE is no HACK, its an innovative technological invention.

He doesnt even know what an analogy is. ie 16 bit is to 32 bit as 32 bit is to 64 bit. So talking about how people transitioned to 32-bit from 16-bit, and why some resisted, and why it took so long, MIRRORS what is happening in the transition to 64-bit.

WRONG, 8bit is to 32bit, as 16bit is to 64bit? I don't think so. You still have not given me ONE advantage 64bit offers over 32bit.

ie, saying the difference in 16-bit to 32-bit is extreme but the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit is hard to see.

The point is, it was hard to see back then too, because they didnt have the 32 bit applications yet. HIND SIGHT IS 20/20.

Yet, I have already seen 64bit applications, I am not impressed and it certianly doesn't live to the hype its been given. Windows Vista was *ported* to 32bit, why? Because they can program the operating system in both 32bit and 64bit without the limitations that operating systems had with 16bit.

And he is studid enough to say that whats the point of a 128-bit data bus when its not needed in the first place.

Tell that to the graphic card companies. Why did they go to 128-bit or even 256-bit data buses to their ram. BECAUSE IT WAS NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT THE NEWER FEATURES.

Go tell microsoft to up the limit of Windows Vista Starter from 256mb of ram to 4gb. Have you seen the price difference from 64-bit to 128-bit data bus? All these people telling me that the price is neglitiable bs. I am talkign about the cpu's, not gpu's. Gpu's do calculations that are different from the cpu.

If INTEL changed to a 256-bit interface to ram, they could jam more pixels into the SSE instructions at a time and do more powerful video processing. Which opens up entire new vistas of possible applications.

Wrong, A very very small minority of people do video processing, go ask the guy hanging out at mcdonalds what is 64bit, and if he encodes movies and video processes. Windows Vista in 32bit has the same functionality as Vista in 64bit, so your point? I seen different functionality of OS's from 16bit to 32bit.

But based on how this kid replies to messages he has no logical answer to, he will probably see I used the word "Vista" and go off on a tangent about Windows Vista instead of refuting the argument.

Your awnsers have very little logic in them, to you everyone in the world does video processing, everybody.
 
I'm going to start multitasking with internet explorer, running 2 ie's slows the COMP, OMG! Its to SLOW! 2088mhz is to slow for running 2 internet explorers, time to get duel core! Only 30 million computers game out of how many? 600million? I think the 600million is the bigger priority. Your 64bit cpu's comps usually come with 1gb of ram, by the time games come out that require 3gb+ of ram, you would get a new system and a new cpu, doesn't that make sense? So your really not taking any 64bit advantages, 64bit is no big deal, its just a marketting strategy to make you think your getting the best technology and ur computer is going to make use of it.

Your calling us stupid, if people arn't willing to pay for the big buck items like the FX processors, then the cost of research will be reflected in teh average chip which will result in the general price of a computer being alot larger, the 30 million gamers are the ones that make the 600 million others be able to afford cheap computers. Many people couldn't afford computers because there was no one paying the big bucks to make it cheaper for the general audience. If you think that we don't need development, and we don't need advancements, then stop using the advancement infront of you.

If we didn't have advancements in computers, we would still be using the vacuum tube and have computers the size of a house.
 
just trying to sift through the last 3 pages and nesk proves even more he doesn't know what he's talking about.
No, the same thing is not happening now. Companies did not release 2 versions of their operating system, but microsoft is releasing 32bit and 64bit vista.
While Microsoft didn't release 2 different versions, until ME both DOS(16bit) and Windows(32) came on the same disk because people needed both. Early on (3.1) it was common for people(gamers) to primarily use DOS because the 32bit interface was almost useless to them. However things progressed and eventually DOS wasn't even included. But I guess nothing like that could ever happen again.
 
What so funny is nesck been proven wrong over and over and over and over. But he blind as a bat. GO BACK TO SCHOOL. Here what bad 95% of people here disagree with you. So shut the Hell up and Pout in a differnt forum.
 
Go tell microsoft to up the limit of Windows Vista Starter from 256mb of ram to 4gb

Hmmm, maybe there's the root cause of why this thread came about? Well, one of the causes?

So....you want a fully featured OS for next to nothing...is that what's got you all riled up? Now frick...as much as I don't like M$, they're still a company that supports a great deal of jobs and, well, nearly an entire industry. They DO put work into their products, and they do deserve to be paid for their work. I agree that the price/cost of that work is up for debate, but they're still the ones doing the work. We can't expect anything for FREE can we? Peh, even I've paid for their OS's.
 
Go tell microsoft to up the limit of Windows Vista Starter from 256mb of ram to 4gb

Hmmm, maybe there's the root cause of why this thread came about? Well, one of the causes?

So....you want a fully featured OS for next to nothing...is that what's got you all riled up? Now frick...as much as I don't like M$, they're still a company that supports a great deal of jobs and, well, nearly an entire industry. They DO put work into their products, and they do deserve to be paid for their work. I agree that the price/cost of that work is up for debate, but they're still the ones doing the work. We can't expect anything for FREE can we? Peh, even I've paid for their OS's.

Its NOT free, it costs $36 in thailand which is about a 1/3rd of week's pay for a crappy version of windows u can do hardly anything with. Would you rather buy food, water, and shelter or pay your a lot of your week's salary on an OS for a computer?

http://news.com.com/Five+countries+to+get+cheap+Windows+XP/2100-1016_3-5304023.html

Thats the windows xp starter, I suspect windows vista starter edition will be quite similiar.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/th.html

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$8,300 (2005 est.)

Of course any smart thailander will walk down the street and get an unrestricted FCKGW windows xp for less than 2 dollars.
 
... Would you rather buy food, water, and shelter or pay your week's salary on an OS for a computer?
:roll: What an idiot. If you can't afford a $36 OS WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING A COMPUTER!!!! Nevermind one that has more then 256MB of ram.
 
So what?

My computer would take 2 MONTHS of pay to replace. But by exercising good budget decisions I can save up for parts I want, software I want. I don't let computers get in the way of the necessities. I would expect computer enthusiasts in poorer countries would be able to plan and make good decisions too.
 
So what?
My computer would take 2 MONTHS of pay to replace. But by exercising good budget decisions I can save up for parts I want, software I want. I don't let computers get in the way of the necessities. I would expect computer enthusiasts in poorer countries would be able to plan and make good decisions too.

2 months of pay to replace? Yeah, the guy that picks rice is going to go and get a comp with 7800's.
 
800hrs?! You obviously know as much about 3rd world countries as you do about computers. These people don't have the time/need/desire to spend more then a couple hours a week using a PC. Maybe to check email once or twice a week(not an hour like us). They aren't spending hours arguing with morons on message boards just for fun. If as you say 800hrs is twice the cost then 400 would get the max value. That would give the people it's intended for several years of use.