News Where and How to Buy an RTX 3080, 3090 or 3070

[trance77]

I'm in the UK and tried to get the 3060 Ti Founders yesterday and it sold out in seconds.

Also had a strange thing happen in that the page Nvidia linked to on Scan had no button to Buy the card, just all the details about it. Refreshed that page for a while and it then changed to saying sold out. Have read a number of people had the same thing happen with the lack of a button to buy. Maybe it had sold out in the time that it took me to do the captcha and that was some kind of glitch before the page updated to saying out of stock.

Looks like I will have to wait until next year. I'm sure my 1050 Ti will do just fine in Cyberpunk

 

[MorganPike]

I have found a path to people getting an Ampere card with zero gouging and no middle man at all, straight from the manufacturer to the users door

I saw your earlier post. Good stuff. I was totally unaware. Kudos for that.

Having said that, I'm waiting for a 20 gig version of the 3080 anyway. My current 2070 is doing a fine job so I'm not really in a hurry.

I guess I was triggered when that scalper tried calling those who don't like them socialists. I'm a proud capitalist, but I do believe that if your participating you should be bringing something more than just greed to the table.

Nvidia may be playing games in the market but at least they are actually developing and manufacturing a product.

I've had PNY cards before. Never had a problem with them.

 

[Endymio]

Or is your argument simply that since Nvidia has helped create the situation that makes scalping 'ok'?

No, what you call "scalping" was OK long before NVidia hit the scene. Scalping is even better than just "OK" -- it's beneficial, on purely economic terms. When a shortage exist, some people will get a product, some will not. Society has learned the long and painful lesson that, with a few small exceptions, those willing to pay more should be the ones who receive.

I realize your emotional motivations here. You're a l33t gamer, and you are entitled to l33t gaming gear at the lowest possible price at all times, no matter what. Anyone or anything that gets in the way of that is the incarnation of evil itself. But reality is a wee bit more complex than that. So you have to either wait a wee bit more longer for that cool graphics card, or pay a premium for it. It's not a life-saving vaccine nor the minimum daily calories keeping you alive. So you know what -- I think you'll live.

 

[MorganPike]

No, what you call "scalping" was OK long before NVidia hit the scene. Scalping is even better than just "OK" -- it's beneficial, on purely economic terms. When a shortage exist, some people will get a product, some will not. Society has learned the long and painful lesson that, with a few small exceptions, those willing to pay more should be the ones who receive.

I realize your emotional motivations here. You're a l33t gamer, and you are entitled to l33t gaming gear at the lowest possible price at all times, no matter what. Anyone or anything that gets in the way of that is the incarnation of evil itself. But reality is a wee bit more complex than that. So you have to either wait a wee bit more longer for that cool graphics card, or pay a premium for it. It's not a life-saving vaccine nor the minimum daily calories keeping you alive. So you know what -- I think you'll live.

What I call scalping? LOL

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/scalping

There's just no end to the attempts to justify your actions is there? Here's a hint, if actions need to be justified, there's probably an issue there.

And once again, as I've already stated, I don't want a new product, I'm waiting for a 20GB 3080 anyway. So calling me names is kind of pointless.

I just don't like leeches. Which is all scalpers are. If you want to participate, then participate, but let's be perfectly clear, scalping isn't participating in the free market, it's just leeching off it.

And just to be %100 clear... I do not condone nor suggest that government should meddle in the free market. So please don't bore us anymore with your capitalism vs socialism drivel. Scalpers are much closer in actions to thieves than they are to capitalists. Trying to portray scalpers as a beneficial component of the free market is absurd.

The scalpers latest argument... "scalping tech products is ok because it's not illegal!" LOL You can't make this crap up!

 

[MorganPike]

Also, am a fellow proud capitalist and centrist as well. I lean neither left nor right as I see the need for both sides as the Eagle needs two wings to fly, and lack of the right or left wing means the Eagle is grounded and prey for the Bear.

Don't see good analogies on the internet very often. Props.

 

[MorganPike]

I'm in the UK and tried to get the 3060 Ti Founders yesterday and it sold out in seconds.

Also had a strange thing happen in that the page Nvidia linked to on Scan had no button to Buy the card, just all the details about it. Refreshed that page for a while and it then changed to saying sold out. Have read a number of people had the same thing happen with the lack of a button to buy. Maybe it had sold out in the time that it took me to do the captcha and that was some kind of glitch before the page updated to saying out of stock.

Looks like I will have to wait until next year. I'm sure my 1050 Ti will do just fine in Cyberpunk

Might need to drop textures down a notch if you want to run CP in 4k.

 

[MorganPike]

I have a high refresh 1440p monitor, 165hz. People ignorantly assume all the time that running an RTX 3090 below 4K is somehow wasteful, but are ridiculously short sighted when they make that assertion. 4K is not a legitimate ray tracing high frame rate resolution on ANY card in existence. Not 3090, not 6900XT.

CP2077 has the most ray tracing features in a game released yet, literally ALL of the features in DXR are used. A REAL test of 3090's prowess. 1440p@165hz is a butter smooth experience that no 4K monitor has ever tempted me away from. The only temptation is 5120x1440@240hz, aka the Samsung G9. THAT is a monitor for me, and I am planning a purchase of one as soon as I can get my paws on one.

trance was joking about running CP on his 1050 ti. I was just joking back.

I doubt a 1050 ti is going to run CP acceptably at pretty much any settings. Of course, it isn't out yet, so what do I know?

Oh, and for the record, I'll take 1440 120 over 4k 60 all day long.

 

[Endymio]

Scalpers are much closer in actions to thieves than they are to capitalists

A thief takes property without permission or compensation. A scalper does neither. Capitalists buy and sell for profit. A scalper does both. Your logic is as suspect as your motivations.

as I've already stated, I don't want a new product, I'm waiting for a 20GB 3080 anyway.

In other words, you're not buying this particular product, but you are concerned that scalpers will buy up your upcoming purchase ahead of you.

And you're still ignoring the root of the issue. When products are in short supply, some people will get them, some won't. Society decided long ago that the best way to allocate these products is by who is willing to pay the most of them. Are auctions immoral, because a person stands in front of a crowd and exhorts them to bid higher and higher? Why do you not consider that "thievery"?

What I call scalping? LOL (dictionary link snipped)

Read the introductory notes for any good dictionary, and you'll see the statement that dictionaries reflect usage, they do not define it. However, I was not quibbling over your definition, but rather your pejorative usage of it.

 

[Endymio]

The Eagle needs two wings to fly, and lack of the right or left wing means the Eagle is grounded and prey for the Bear.

Or, in this case -- prey for the Dragon.

 

[MorganPike]

A thief takes property without permission or compensation. A scalper does neither. Capitalists buy and sell for profit. A scalper does both. Your logic is as suspect as your motivations.

In other words, you're not buying this particular product, but you are concerned that scalpers will buy up your upcoming purchase ahead of you.

And you're still ignoring the root of the issue. When products are in short supply, some people will get them, some won't. Society decided long ago that the best way to allocate these products is by who is willing to pay the most of them. Are auctions immoral, because a person stands in front of a crowd and exhorts them to bid higher and higher? Why do you not consider that "thievery"?

Read the introductory notes for any good dictionary, and you'll see the statement that dictionaries reflect usage, they do not define it. However, I was not quibbling over your definition, but rather your pejorative usage of it.

A thief takes property and then sells it to a fence, for, can you guess it? 100% profit given they paid nothing for it. 100% ring any bells? Capitalists create products and offer services in competition with others who do the same. This competition creates innovation which results in progress. Scalpers do none of this. They simply leech. As I said, more in common with thieves.

But keep on trying to justify your actions. I know exactly what kind of person you are and so does anyone else with any common sense. And you're certainly not worth wasting any more of my time conversing with.

 

[MorganPike]

Your logic is as suspect as your motivations.

A scalper claims my motivations are suspect! ROFL It just doesn't get any richer than that!

Ok, I'm out now. Just thought that one was really funny.

 

[Endymio]

A thief takes property and then sells it to a fence, for, can you guess it? 100% profit given they paid nothing for it. 100% ring any bells?

So you define 100% profit as thievery? Guess what, your average mall store has a 100% markup. They're all thieves? Restaurants have an average markup of 400%. They're thieves too? Some luxury goods have a markup of 1,000%. All thieves as well?

You should stop while you're behind; your hole keeps getting deeper.

A scalper claims my motivations are suspect!

Your motivations are more than simply "suspect". And no, I'm not a scalper. There's not nearly enough money involved, for one, even if I had the time and interest in doing so. I'm merely pointing out the inherent absurdities in your arguments.

 

[Endymio]

Not trying to jump too much in the middle of your debate here, but your assertions are false. Retail markup is typically less than 10% on high dollar items, and midrange cost items average less than 50% markup.

Incorrect. See link below. Note, the "50%" markup the article quotes is based off the sale price. Basing off the actual cost to the merchant (as most people calculate it), it works out to a 100% markup, or (as the article points out) a doubling of the price.

"According to "Entrepreneur" magazine, small retailers use a 50-percent markup for their merchandise. This is known as the “keystone” and essentially means doubling the total cost of an item. For example, a bag with a wholesale cost of $50 sells for $100 at retail, or a dress that costs $75 retails for $150...."

This article notes that the average markup on beauty/cosmetic products is 700% to 1,000%

Is A 700% Retail Markup Too Much For A Beauty Product?


This article demonstrates the average restaurant markup is from 60% to 500%, depending on item:

What Is a Normal Markup Percentage? (bizfluent.com)

Endymio, I suggest you stick to examples with numbers you have a handle on.

Manning, I could be unkind and suggest you first learn to read basic English, but instead I'll simply note that my post specifically referred to mall stores, luxury goods, and restaurants, not computer components. My figures were accurate. Now, do you want to explain why you believe these merchants are all "thieves"?

 

[Endymio]

I... addressed how silly you were comparing computer components to luxury goods and mall stores. You were wrong to make that comparison,

I made no such comparison. Try again, starting with post #67 above-- this time using your big boy reading comprehension. I'll even give you a hint: The argument was made that a 100% markup demonstrates "thievery".

 

[DSzymborski]

Let's lower the temperature or we'll have to lower the boom.

 

[trance77]

trance was joking about running CP on his 1050 ti. I was just joking back.

I doubt a 1050 ti is going to run CP acceptably at pretty much any settings. Of course, it isn't out yet, so what do I know?

Oh, and for the record, I'll take 1440 120 over 4k 60 all day long.

No luck getting a 3060 Ti yet so we will soon find out!

 

[SkeetyGuy]

Except to those who need the product the scalper has.

No, just misinformed.

Scalping always exists when supply doesn't meet demand. Always. The real culprit here is NVidia et. al., who knows they can't meet demand, yet refuses to raise prices to their proper level. If NVidia increased MSRP by even a quarter of the surcharge these scalpers are charging, that would not only lower demand, but the extra margin would allow NVidia to increase supply as well, if only slightly.
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Wrong. This is not a situation of supply not meeting demand, but an artificially limited supply not meeting demand.

 

[Endymio]

Scalping always exists when supply doesn't meet demand. Always. The real culprit here is NVidia et. al., who knows they can't meet demand, yet refuses to raise prices to their proper level. If NVidia increased MSRP by even a quarter of the surcharge these scalpers are charging, that would not only lower demand, but the extra margin would allow NVidia to increase supply as well, if only slightly.

Wrong. This is not a situation of supply not meeting demand, but an artificially limited supply not meeting demand.

Incorrect, of course. It doesn't even pass the sniff test: the idea that NVidia would leave money on the table, lower their profits, garner bad press and annoy many of their customers all at the same time is absurdity itself.

Samsung and TSMC are pushing wafers as fast as possible. Every sub-10nm foundry in the world is running at capacity at present. There isn't a secret stockpile of chips being held in an arctic vault by Dr. Evil.

 

[gravagehulk]

Wow. You wasted a whole lot of time and words writing an article that could have been as simple as "You can't, unless you want to pay scalper prices. The end."

 

[USAFRet]

Wow. You wasted a whole lot of time and words writing an article that could have been as simple as "You can't, unless you want to pay scalper prices. The end."

1. Many many many people were REALLY interested in buying one of these devices. The info, even if a bit longwinded, would have been of interest.
2. It is 9 months old. Often, the retail landscape can change significantly in that time.

 

[SkeetyGuy]

I solved the scalper problem by buying a PC that came with a 3070 Ti. Cost me 2 Gs but now I can play the games my son gets me.