Question Which CPU/GPU combo should I buy with my current parts ?

[cchamiltonn]

I am looking to sell my console and build a PC. I have acquired some parts from a friend of mine and need a CPU and GPU. I have watched a video on bottlenecking recently and would like to know what approach I should take when buying a CPU. I would like to buy a Ryzen CPU but wondering which to go for. It seems the Ryzen 5 5600x is still a really could one to buy but I noticed the Ryzen 7 5800x is also at a good price.

The current parts I have are:

Corsair RMX1000
NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm cooler
Corsair Vengence pro RGB 4 x 8GB 3600mhz DDR4
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite motherboard
1TB M.2

My friend has offered me his RTX3060ti for £250

Is it worth getting the Ryzen 7 5800x so that I can upgrade the GPU in future? Or save the money and stick with a Ryzen 5 5600x. Or is it potentially worth saving up to get a better CPU/GPU combo going into 2024? My monitor supports 1440p not 4K which I have no plan to upgrade right now (not sure how relevant that is)

Any help would be much appreciated

 

[turtletarget111]

When it comes to bottlenecking, you want to ensure you are putting more money into your video card as opposed to your CPU. The graphics card will be the main factor in how games will run. You would have a more powerful system if you went with the Ryzen 5600X and put that extra cash toward something like an RX 6800. You can find them for around 400 dollars new, and will significantly outperform the RTX 3060Ti. The Ryzen 7 5800X is overkill for the 3060Ti, and isn't a necessary investment for such a card.

The AM4 platform is getting older, and if you can wait until 2024 and save up more money, you would be better off in the long run to invest in AM5. You will get more longevity out of your hardware and newer features. If you want a system now, or are unsure of your budget, you by no means have to. You can build a very capable AM4 system.

As far as your monitor, investing in 4K is quite simply a waste of money. Even with an unlimited budget it's hard to justify kneecapping frame rates for better visuals you will not notice in fast paced games. As long as your monitor has low response time and a decent refresh rate, there is no need to swap it out. Hope this helps, take care.

 

[cchamiltonn]

When it comes to bottlenecking, you want to ensure you are putting more money into your video card as opposed to your CPU. The graphics card will be the main factor in how games will run. You would have a more powerful system if you went with the Ryzen 5600X and put that extra cash toward something like an RX 6800. You can find them for around 400 dollars new, and will significantly outperform the RTX 3060Ti. The Ryzen 7 5800X is overkill for the 3060Ti, and isn't a necessary investment for such a card.

The AM4 platform is getting older, and if you can wait until 2024 and save up more money, you would be better off in the long run to invest in AM5. You will get more longevity out of your hardware and newer features. If you want a system now, or are unsure of your budget, you by no means have to. You can build a very capable AM4 system.

As far as your monitor, investing in 4K is quite simply a waste of money. Even with an unlimited budget it's hard to justify kneecapping frame rates for better visuals you will not notice in fast paced games. As long as your monitor has low response time and a decent refresh rate, there is no need to swap it out. Hope this helps, take care.

Hmm I hear you. I think I would like to stick with AM4 as I got the parts for a good deal. For £350 I got the following:

Corsair RMX1000
NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm cooler
Corsair Vengence pro RGB 4 x 8GB 3600mhz
Glorious Race Model D wired mouse
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite motherboard
Lian Li XL case
Lian Li uni fan SL120 RGB x9
HK gaming gk61 mechanical keyboard
1TB WD M.2 SSD

I think the good deal made me jump the gun to buy so would like to stick with it for now. I think I will go for a 5600x and look into the rx 5800 so thank you for that. I honestly only really play Rocket League at the moment so as long as I can play that smoothly. I will also play the odd game of Cod and do like some counter-strike. GTA 6 will be released (finally) so will want to play that too. I assume the rx 6800 can handle these just fine. Would it be worth it or could I get away with the 3060ti?

My monitor is 144hz 1ms response which I am more than happy with. So if I can make the system last a couple of years I would be happy and then switch to AM5 DDR5

 

[Nexus713]

What is your budget and where are you located?

£350 for all of these parts is good deal! I would say stick to AM4 for now then, as you can still get great performance on this platform.

 

[cchamiltonn]

What is your budget and where are you located?

£350 for all of these parts is good deal! I would say stick to AM4 for now then, as you can still get great performance on this platform.

I am from the UK, it turns out that the case had been modified and therefore the front panel could not be attached and the side panel isn't secured properly so I planned to buy a new case (not necessarily right away) for roughly £100 max (was looking at an NZXT H5 Flow (£85). And now considering 5600x for £148. So that has me sitting at £580. Going into this I would say my budget was around £800 which is why I was considering a 3060ti from my friend for £250. But would be open to spending a little more on a GPU. What do you reckon?

 

[lordmogul]

Since you already have the board, might as well stick with it. The platform isn't obsolete yet.

But instead of the 5600X or 5800X I'd go with a 5600 or 5700X. The money saved can be put into the graphics card which would be the limiting factor in the majority of games (Or a new case in your .... case)
They are slightly slower, but not by much, and the difference can easily be bridged manually with some oc.

Another chip looking into is the 5800X3D.
Depending on the game it can be slightly slower than the 5800X (because it clocks slightly lower), but in many it's much faster. Sometimes on par with the 7700X and sometimes outpacing the 12900K

 

[thestryker]

I think the most important part is how long you plan on having this system for. The 5800X3D is the best CPU you can get for that platform with regards to gaming, and it's a lot better in many games. If you're just dipping your toes in and potentially may spend more money for a new setup in a couple of years then going 5600/5700X is probably the way to go. On the other hand if you want to keep it for 3-5 years or more the investment in the better CPU should be worth it as it will keep up with any video card you buy much better than anything else.

There's of course the option of getting a 5600 and then later buying a 5800X3D should they still be available.

 

[cchamiltonn]

Since you already have the board, might as well stick with it. The platform isn't obsolete yet.

But instead of the 5600X or 5800X I'd go with a 5600 or 5700X. The money saved can be put into the graphics card which would be the limiting factor in the majority of games (Or a new case in your .... case)
They are slightly slower, but not by much, and the difference can easily be bridged manually with some oc.

Another chip looking into is the 5800X3D.
Depending on the game it can be slightly slower than the 5800X (because it clocks slightly lower), but in many it's much faster. Sometimes on par with the 7700X and sometimes outpacing the 12900K

hmm if it's the graphics card I need to worry about then perhaps I get a 5600 that I can OC and save up for a rx6800. That or maybe wait for my birthday in Feb and pickup a rex 4070. If I was to get a card like that I assume that would easily carry me for 4 years+ and I can just upgrade the CPU and RAM in 1-2 years?

 

[cchamiltonn]

I think the most important part is how long you plan on having this system for. The 5800X3D is the best CPU you can get for that platform with regards to gaming, and it's a lot better in many games. If you're just dipping your toes in and potentially may spend more money for a new setup in a couple of years then going 5600/5700X is probably the way to go. On the other hand if you want to keep it for 3-5 years or more the investment in the better CPU should be worth it as it will keep up with any video card you buy much better than anything else.

There's of course the option of getting a 5600 and then later buying a 5800X3D should they still be available.

Well, I would like to think I would only keep it for 1-2 years max before getting a new system. At this point, I just want to dip my toes into the master race as my friends call it. If I were to wait until Jan/Feb and pick up an RTX 4070 would the Ryzen 5600 with an OC cope? If so I could probably do that and carry that to the new system after 1-2 years.

 

[thestryker]

Well, I would like to think I would only keep it for 1-2 years max before getting a new system. At this point, I just want to dip my toes into the master race as my friends call it. If I were to wait until Jan/Feb and pick up an RTX 4070 would the Ryzen 5600 with an OC cope? If so I could probably do that and carry that to the new system after 1-2 years.

For 1440p it should do a good job on pretty much anything except super CPU heavy titles, or if you were trying to get high fps in an esports title.

 

[lordmogul]

R5 5600 and RTX 4070 is absolutely fine.
It would probably CPU limited in a couple CPU heavy games, but that just means you can turn up the settings and enjoy better visuals at whatever the 5600 can feed to the GPU. And as time goes on and games get more demanding, they tend to hit the GPU harder.
If the 5600 fits well in your budget, go for it. See how well it runs, and if you notice that games don't "properly" put the 4070 under load, then you can think about oc.

 

[cchamiltonn]

For 1440p it should do a good job on pretty much anything except super CPU heavy titles, or if you were trying to get high fps in an esports title.

I see. What sort of games are classed as CPU Heavy? Honestly off the bat I will most likely be playing a lot of rocket league and call of duty

 

[cchamiltonn]

R5 5600 and RTX 4070 is absolutely fine.
It would probably CPU limited in a couple CPU heavy games, but that just means you can turn up the settings and enjoy better visuals at whatever the 5600 can feed to the GPU. And as time goes on and games get more demanding, they tend to hit the GPU harder.
If the 5600 fits well in your budget, go for it. See how well it runs, and if you notice that games don't "properly" put the 4070 under load, then you can think about oc.

Okay thank you so much. So the extra £20 for the x version of the R5 5600 isn't really worth it?

 

[lordmogul]

The difference between the 5600 and 5600X is rather small

 

[thestryker]

I see. What sort of games are classed as CPU Heavy? Honestly off the bat I will most likely be playing a lot of rocket league and call of duty

it'll be fine for those games

This was one of the last CPU reviews TPU did before switching out the RTX 3080 which a 4070 will be close to in performance it should give you an idea as to where the 5600/X would fall behind and it's not much (I linked to the gaming 1440p page): https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/19.html

 

[cchamiltonn]

it'll be fine for those games

This was one of the last CPU reviews TPU did before switching out the RTX 3080 which a 4070 will be close to in performance it should give you an idea as to where the 5600/X would fall behind and it's not much (I linked to the gaming 1440p page): https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13600k/19.html

Thank you so much that is extremely helpful! I think I have decided on a card. The RX 6800 XT

Amazon.co.uk

What I can't get around is why the RTX cards are so much more expensive?? It is confusing me. From what I found this card closely matches the 4070 so I think this is the way to go.

 

[cchamiltonn]

The difference between the 5600 and 5600X is rather small

Very small indeed that is a very useful chart. Thank you for all your help I really appreciate it

 

[cchamiltonn]

When it comes to bottlenecking, you want to ensure you are putting more money into your video card as opposed to your CPU. The graphics card will be the main factor in how games will run. You would have a more powerful system if you went with the Ryzen 5600X and put that extra cash toward something like an RX 6800. You can find them for around 400 dollars new, and will significantly outperform the RTX 3060Ti. The Ryzen 7 5800X is overkill for the 3060Ti, and isn't a necessary investment for such a card.

The AM4 platform is getting older, and if you can wait until 2024 and save up more money, you would be better off in the long run to invest in AM5. You will get more longevity out of your hardware and newer features. If you want a system now, or are unsure of your budget, you by no means have to. You can build a very capable AM4 system.

As far as your monitor, investing in 4K is quite simply a waste of money. Even with an unlimited budget it's hard to justify kneecapping frame rates for better visuals you will not notice in fast paced games. As long as your monitor has low response time and a decent refresh rate, there is no need to swap it out. Hope this helps, take care.

I think I shall be going with a RX 6800 XT after first considering a 4070. Pairing this with a R5 5600 for now hopefully, I can use it for 1-2 years and then build a new system and carry over the GPU. Thank yo for your help

 

[thestryker]

Thank you so much that is extremely helpful! I think I have decided on a card. The RX 6800 XT

Amazon.co.uk

What I can't get around is why the RTX cards are so much more expensive?? It is confusing me. From what I found this card closely matches the 4070 so I think this is the way to go.

The 6800 XT is a fantastic card I have one in my second box due to what a great deal it was at the time.

The RTX 40 series cards use quite a bit less power than the RTX 30/Radeon 6xxx cards and have frame generation. Basically nvidia is able to command a premium price because of their install base and additional features. When I got my 3080 12GB it was between that and the 6800 XT which was the same price, and if AMD had better ray tracing performance I'd have gotten the 6800 XT. The way I look at it is if the price/perf is equal then the choice goes nvidia due to the software and ray tracing advantages, but AMD is generally a much better deal right now.

 

[cchamiltonn]

The 6800 XT is a fantastic card I have one in my second box due to what a great deal it was at the time.

The RTX 40 series cards use quite a bit less power than the RTX 30/Radeon 6xxx cards and have frame generation. Basically nvidia is able to command a premium price because of their install base and additional features. When I got my 3080 12GB it was between that and the 6800 XT which was the same price, and if AMD had better ray tracing performance I'd have gotten the 6800 XT. The way I look at it is if the price/perf is equal then the choice goes nvidia due to the software and ray tracing advantages, but AMD is generally a much better deal right now.

Ohhh okay I’m with you! Well perhaps in a couple of years for my next build I can try nvidia out! One last question. If it were you would you go with the 6800 XT or a 6800 and overclock it. The 6800 is a bit cheaper and I presume the difference is not too much. The XFX 6800 XT looks cooler than their 6800 but trying decide if it’s worth it 😂

 

[beyondlogic]

Ohhh okay I’m with you! Well perhaps in a couple of years for my next build I can try nvidia out! One last question. If it were you would you go with the 6800 XT or a 6800 and overclock it. The 6800 is a bit cheaper and I presume the difference is not too much. The XFX 6800 XT looks cooler than their 6800 but trying decide if it’s worth it 😂

a few points

1 .
you can pick up a ryzen 7 5700x for same price as a ryzen 5600x

Amazon.co.uk

2.
power bill the rx 6800 isnt that bad power wise but not all rx 6800 are equal

rx 6800xt draws a fair amount of power.

also if you are not a tinkerer you may not get the results you desire from amds gpus.
this is from personal experience I found I had a lot of issues with graphical bugs or anti aliasing not working at all. hence why I say you may have to tinker.

nvidia 4000 series is quite a bit power efficient vs rx 6800 and 7000 series.

4070 is probly what I would suggest as its low power usage
better drivers. and overall better at animating textures and fur etc.

other things to consider is older titles nvidia has no issue supporting older titles.

but some games i found with amds rx 6700 didn't like older titles and newer e.g i got weird artefacts and blur textures on tales arise like anti aliasing wasnt working at all.

 

[thestryker]

Ohhh okay I’m with you! Well perhaps in a couple of years for my next build I can try nvidia out! One last question. If it were you would you go with the 6800 XT or a 6800 and overclock it. The 6800 is a bit cheaper and I presume the difference is not too much. The XFX 6800 XT looks cooler than their 6800 but trying decide if it’s worth it 😂

I'd expect about 15% more performance out of the XT so it'll depend on the price difference and how much you care about the power consumption (base power consumption is 20% higher on the XT).

 

[Why_Me]

I am looking to sell my console and build a PC. I have acquired some parts from a friend of mine and need a CPU and GPU. I have watched a video on bottlenecking recently and would like to know what approach I should take when buying a CPU. I would like to buy a Ryzen CPU but wondering which to go for. It seems the Ryzen 5 5600x is still a really could one to buy but I noticed the Ryzen 7 5800x is also at a good price.

The current parts I have are:

Corsair RMX1000
NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm cooler
Corsair Vengence pro RGB 4 x 8GB 3600mhz DDR4
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite motherboard
1TB M.2

My friend has offered me his RTX3060ti for £250

Is it worth getting the Ryzen 7 5800x so that I can upgrade the GPU in future? Or save the money and stick with a Ryzen 5 5600x. Or is it potentially worth saving up to get a better CPU/GPU combo going into 2024? My monitor supports 1440p not 4K which I have no plan to upgrade right now (not sure how relevant that is)

Any help would be much appreciated

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product...700x-34-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000926wof
AMD Ryzen 7 5700X £156.65

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-5700x

 

[Lucky_SLS]

This would potentially be the last time you upgrade anything in that mobo as it is end of life. If you have the cash, i would suggest getting the 5800X3D and be done with it.

as for a good gpu for a 2k monitor:

GPU Benchmarks and Hierarchy 2023: Graphics Cards Ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy.

www.tomshardware.com

the 4070 super (~£ 500) is launching in CES Jan 24. I would say that would be a good deal as the performance is rumoured to be at 4070ti level.

Get the 3060ti for £250, resell it and get the 4070 super at Jan end.

 

[cchamiltonn]

This would potentially be the last time you upgrade anything in that mobo as it is end of life. If you have the cash, i would suggest getting the 5800X3D and be done with it.

as for a good gpu for a 2k monitor:

GPU Benchmarks and Hierarchy 2023: Graphics Cards Ranked

We've run hundreds of GPU benchmarks on Nvidia, AMD, and Intel graphics cards and ranked them in our comprehensive hierarchy.

www.tomshardware.com

the 4070 super (~£ 500) is launching in CES Jan 24. I would say that would be a good deal as the performance is rumoured to be at 4070ti level.

Get the 3060ti for £250, resell it and get the 4070 super at Jan end.

I suspect this is going to be extremely hard to get though right? Could be months before i could get my hands on one, or has that all calmed down now?