Which CPU to get?

[phoenix8]

Hello, this is first time i post on this forum. I'm myself quite new to all the hardware stuff, but i feel i got a good understanding of most stuff so far.

Anyway to the point - I am gonna upgrade my rig very soon but I'm torn apart which CPU to upgrade

Right now im rolling i5-7500 with stock cooler and 8 ram 2400mhz

The choice is either between i7-8700K/9700K and Ryzen 2700X

I'd like to pick Ryzen one because its cheaper and has lots of cores which I really prefer since I plan to get a second monitor and do multitasking e.g. playing Hearthstone on one monitor and perhaps WoW on the other (Ryzen would be better right?), But I've heard that you need to have a certain Ram type in terms of Mhz or else it wont work properly, and that Ryzen often have issues with compability like crashes, freezes in either games or browsing due to everything is made to work well with intel?

With all these thoughts on my mind I've thought about getting the Intel because i feel it might be easier and less problematic in terms of working properly without any stability issues. But will it suffice my needs in terms of playing two games at once?

I hope my questions are understandable, Thanks ^^

 

[Supahos]

Whoever mentioned the crashing due stuff being made for Intel wasn't be honest.

Fast ram does help ryzen performance more than Intel, but it's not useless with slow ram, and faster ram also helps Intel in many tasks.

I personally wouldn't buy an Intel processor right now. There aren't enough situations where it would matter to get a few pointless frames, and if you're not going to spend $750+ on your GPU you'll likely get no difference in performance

 

[phoenix8]

Whoever mentioned the crashing due stuff being made for Intel wasn't be honest.

Fast ram does help ryzen performance more than Intel, but it's not useless with slow ram, and faster ram also helps Intel in many tasks.

I personally wouldn't buy an Intel processor right now. There aren't enough situations where it would matter to get a few pointless frames, and if you're not going to spend $750+ on your GPU you'll likely get no difference in performance

I'm planning to get 2070 MSI Armor in the near future, would that be a good combo with Ryzen? And which ram is the most suitable to increase Ryzen performance?

 

[dontlistentome]

Lots of cores and threads do help, to a point. For example, if you play a game which will use 6 cores or threads, plus streaming software which uses another core or thread, plus a second game which uses 2 cores or threads you will be using 9 cores or threads. A 6 core/12 thread CPU will get the job done, it's very questionable if an 8 core/16 thread CPU will make any difference to justify the extra cost. Bottomline is, going by your description, either the Intel or AMD CPU will do what you need.

As far as the memory, increase what you have up to 16gb dual channel. If you had no memory I'd advise getting faster ram but since you already have 8gb then I wouldn't worry about it. The performance difference is not likely to be noticeable in real world use. Motherboard manufacturers have support pages for their motherboards. On those pages you'll find lists of compatible/recommended memory sticks. If you're worried about that sort of thing just choose from what's on the list.

 

[Supahos]

For ryzen I'd suggest a minimum of 3000 mhz ram, usually use 3200 in my builds. My suggestion today would probably be get a 2600 if building soon. If you're planning on waiting a while I'd see what AMD announces at CES in early January and see if the 3000 series are forthcoming or going to be a while

 

[Redneck5439]

Whoever mentioned the crashing due stuff being made for Intel wasn't be honest.

Fast ram does help ryzen performance more than Intel, but it's not useless with slow ram, and faster ram also helps Intel in many tasks.

I personally wouldn't buy an Intel processor right now. There aren't enough situations where it would matter to get a few pointless frames, and if you're not going to spend $750+ on your GPU you'll likely get no difference in performance

+1 in addition the AM4 socket is supported through 2020 and lets face it, the Z390 motherboard is already "dead" as it won't support the true next generation of Intel processors, ie 10nm. With a quality AM4 motherboard you have the option of upgrading down the road to 7nm Ryzen 2 (Zen 2) 3000 series processors releasing in ~6 months or so.

 

[Redneck5439]

Whoever mentioned the crashing due stuff being made for Intel wasn't be honest.

Fast ram does help ryzen performance more than Intel, but it's not useless with slow ram, and faster ram also helps Intel in many tasks.

I personally wouldn't buy an Intel processor right now. There aren't enough situations where it would matter to get a few pointless frames, and if you're not going to spend $750+ on your GPU you'll likely get no difference in performance

I'm planning to get 2070 MSI Armor in the near future, would that be a good combo with Ryzen? And which ram is the most suitable to increase Ryzen performance?

Yep, I'm rocking that exact combo (Ryzen 7 2700X and MSI Armor RTX 2070) and am incredibly happy with it. It is a great combination. As far as RAM Samsung "B" dye is always recommended, but not necessary with Ryzen plus. Ryzen Plus has much better RAM compatibility, I'm running Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz RAM, I believe its "A" dye and have it overclocked to 3600Mhz, slightly tighter timings, and am running it at 3.8V without any issues. Ryzen loves fast RAM so look for 3000Mhz plus, usually 3200 is a sweet spot, but there are slight performance gains up to 3600Mhz.

 

[phoenix8]

Whoever mentioned the crashing due stuff being made for Intel wasn't be honest.

Fast ram does help ryzen performance more than Intel, but it's not useless with slow ram, and faster ram also helps Intel in many tasks.

I personally wouldn't buy an Intel processor right now. There aren't enough situations where it would matter to get a few pointless frames, and if you're not going to spend $750+ on your GPU you'll likely get no difference in performance

I'm planning to get 2070 MSI Armor in the near future, would that be a good combo with Ryzen? And which ram is the most suitable to increase Ryzen performance?

Yep, I'm rocking that exact combo (Ryzen 7 2700X and MSI Armor RTX 2070) and am incredibly happy with it. It is a great combination. As far as RAM Samsung "B" dye is always recommended, but not necessary with Ryzen plus. Ryzen Plus has much better RAM compatibility, I'm running Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz RAM, I believe its "A" dye and have it overclocked to 3600Mhz, slightly tighter timings, and am running it at 3.8V without any issues. Ryzen loves fast RAM so look for 3000Mhz plus, usually 3200 is a sweet spot, but there are slight performance gains up to 3600Mhz.

Thanks alot! Which Motherboard do u recommend 350 or 370?
And which brand? MSI or Asus (Prefering one that is easy to configure, upgrade/update BIOS)

 

[Redneck5439]

Whoever mentioned the crashing due stuff being made for Intel wasn't be honest.

Fast ram does help ryzen performance more than Intel, but it's not useless with slow ram, and faster ram also helps Intel in many tasks.

I personally wouldn't buy an Intel processor right now. There aren't enough situations where it would matter to get a few pointless frames, and if you're not going to spend $750+ on your GPU you'll likely get no difference in performance

I'm planning to get 2070 MSI Armor in the near future, would that be a good combo with Ryzen? And which ram is the most suitable to increase Ryzen performance?

Yep, I'm rocking that exact combo (Ryzen 7 2700X and MSI Armor RTX 2070) and am incredibly happy with it. It is a great combination. As far as RAM Samsung "B" dye is always recommended, but not necessary with Ryzen plus. Ryzen Plus has much better RAM compatibility, I'm running Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz RAM, I believe its "A" dye and have it overclocked to 3600Mhz, slightly tighter timings, and am running it at 3.8V without any issues. Ryzen loves fast RAM so look for 3000Mhz plus, usually 3200 is a sweet spot, but there are slight performance gains up to 3600Mhz.

Thanks alot! Which Motherboard do u recommend 350 or 370?
And which brand? MSI or Asus (Prefering one that is easy to configure, upgrade/update BIOS)

If its in your budget I recommend an X470 motherboard. The X470 in general has better VRM cooling and power phases for the R7 2700X, and the X470 has optimizations to fully utilize the RAM optimizations, Precision Boost and Precision Boost Overdrive, and better SMT. Plus by getting a X470 motherboard you will have better compatibility over the X370 for upgrading to Zen 2, Ryzen 3000 series processors down the road.

There are several good options from MSI, Gigabyte, and Asus. I personally went with the ROG Stix X-470-F Gaming motherboard and have been overall very happy with it. While I do wish it had better support for bclk overclocking it has been a board overall. I would suggest looking at some review videos from Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed on the X470 boards and choosing one that you think is right for you.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Also, on that 2070, rumors are going now that AMD will release an RX 3080 in the 1st half of next year that will be about equal to rtx 2070 for about 250 US dollars. So it might be worth waiting depending what GPU you have now. Ironically, just got a gtx 1070 today, but if that turns out to be accurate, I'll probably get rid of the 1070 and get an RX 3080 if they are that much better for that pricing.

 

[Ditt44]

AMD. But, wait a few weeks for CES and see if AMD announces the time line on the 3000 series CPUs. If it's early in 2019, buy one of those. If it's going to be later in the year, such as May to August, then you decide if you can wait or not. Then look at the 2700x or even 2600x, depending on your needs/wants and budget.

An x470 board for sure BUT, then again, if you want the 3xxx CPU, wait for x570 boards. Chickens and eggs. Which is first? I'd wait for AMD's announcements in January and go from there.

 

[Redneck5439]

Also, on that 2070, rumors are going now that AMD will release an RX 3080 in the 1st half of next year that will be about equal to rtx 2070 for about 250 US dollars. So it might be worth waiting depending what GPU you have now. Ironically, just got a gtx 1070 today, but if that turns out to be accurate, I'll probably get rid of the 1070 and get an RX 3080 if they are that much better for that pricing.

I'm not counting AMD out in the GPU market, I fully expect them to release something that is near equal performance to the RTX 2070, however I highly question the leaked pricing. AMD will undercut Nvidia, but not by half, for one thing that wouldn't be good business, and for another look at the pricing of their current Vega cards compared to GTX... they are nearly the same price class for class even though Vega draws more power, runs hotter and in most titles is beaten by their Nvidia GTX counterparts. If AMD wanted to "rock the market" they could have done that by slashing their Vega card price in half, but they never did. AMD releasing a 3080 with the same performance as the $500 RTX 2070 for $250 just doesn't add up in the current GPU market.

I do believe that AMD has a 7nm GPU they are readying and I do believe it will have nearly the same performance as the RTX 2070, but I also believe it will launch at an MSRP of ~ $400. That would still undercut Vnidia and then the only "advantage" to the RTX 2070 would be ray tracing. If it catches on like shadow effects did then the RTX 2070 will have a distinct advantage over an AMD card of nearly equal performance but lacking ray tracing.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

The argument they made for it was so they could gain market share. But those rumors are speculation at this point obviously.

 

[ElectrO_90]

I've only read your post, but sadly I have to disagree with you.
You don't have a good understanding of computers.
Which is why it is best to ask here and not say things about "you hear" because your hearing is wrong.

Hello, this is first time i post on this forum. I'm myself quite new to all the hardware stuff, but i feel i got a good understanding of most stuff so far.

Anyway to the point - I am gonna upgrade my rig very soon but I'm torn apart which CPU to upgrade

Right now im rolling i5-7500 with stock cooler and 8 ram 2400mhz

The choice is either between i7-8700K/9700K and Ryzen 2700X

I'd like to pick Ryzen one because its cheaper and has lots of cores which I really prefer since I plan to get a second monitor and do multitasking e.g. playing Hearthstone on one monitor and perhaps WoW on the other (Ryzen would be better right?), But I've heard that you need to have a certain Ram type in terms of Mhz or else it wont work properly, and that Ryzen often have issues with compability like crashes, freezes in either games or browsing due to everything is made to work well with intel?

With all these thoughts on my mind I've thought about getting the Intel because i feel it might be easier and less problematic in terms of working properly without any stability issues. But will it suffice my needs in terms of playing two games at once?

I hope my questions are understandable, Thanks ^^

 

[Redneck5439]

The argument they made for it was so they could gain market share. But those rumors are speculation at this point obviously.

As stated, if they wanted to gain market share they could have done so easily by slashing the prices of their current Vega GPUs. I recently upgraded from a R9 290 Sapphire Vapor X, and I was torn between going for a GTX 1070ti, a GTX 1080, or Vega 64. I bought my GPU about 2 weeks ago and at that time the GTX 1070ti was selling for ~$400 - $500, the GTX 1080 was selling for ~$600 and the GTX 1080ti was selling for anywhere between $700 - $1200 with that pricing for Nvidia's GTX series the AMD side had the Vega 64 selling for ~ $400 and even now you can go on Newegg and see they are priced between $400 and up to $800. That puts the Vega 64 at roughly the same price point as the GTX 1070ti and GTX 1080, yet the 1070ti and 1080 will outperform it in most games and use less power/ produce less heat. If AMD truly wanted market share they would have priced the Vega 64 at $250 and cleaned up. If I could have picked up a Vega 64 for $200 - $250 I would have no doubt. But at the same price for slightly less performance and higher thermals it made no sense.

With the prices I was looking at for the GTX 1070ti - GTX 1080ti and Vega 64 I decided to go with the RTX 2070 for $500. I haven't regretted that decision at all. I have my RTX 2070 overclocked to 2250Mhz GPU clock and 7800Mhz RAM clock which gives it equal performance to a stock GTX 1080ti, and I also have ray tracing "in my back pocket" just in case it catches on and gets a lot of development down the road. I would say that with the current pricing of GPUs the MSI RTX 2070 Armor is a great value and a huge performer, especially when overclocked.