dasickninja
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A wise man speakth :lol:
Just a quick insertion of definition here for those who may be interested.
Transistors come in two flavors, PMOS (p-type metal oxide semiconductor) and NMOS (n-type metal oxide semiconductor). The P or N is determined by the type of dopant used in the souce, drain, and channel. PMOS has P type doping in the source/drain and N type doping in the channel (the channel is the region where the electrons flow for an 'on' transistor). NMOS is just the opposite, N type doping in the source/drain and P type doping in the channel.
CMOS, as stated above, simply means that the device is made with both PMOS and NMOS constructed devices. This is done because it lowers the overall requirements and makes creating inverter circuits much more 'elegantly' for lack of a better word.
Jack
Ah...finally someone who understands me!
BaronMatrix
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No you can't help yourself can you?
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Man can you do anything without starting a flame?
But prior to AMD64 Intel's marketing was that AMD was not a true X86 and was not as compatible and not as stable.
The same can sometimes be said for EMT64, can it not? Where are the flames in such a statement?
I was around at MS when X64 was being developed and I saw very few AMD machines because MS mainly bought Dell (90% or more) desktops.
dasickninja
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So it feels good to be understood? I thought we were all aiming at the misunderstood genuis typecast here. Shoulda read the memo.
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I just couldn't resist replying to this thread where everyone is spittin' on DELL.
I would never buy myself ANY prebuild system unless my salary would rise like 4 times. I have always built systems for my own use myself, using parts bought usually from one trusted supplier. I often overclocked my systems, added ram, changed HDD's, graphics ... And I'will do so probably for next few years.
But computers ar not only my hobby but also my job - I am an administrator in mid-size company. Two years ago my company was buying workstations from various suppliers or they build it on their own. :] We were also using laptops from diffrent manufacturers. I remember servicing them was a nightmare - power supplies for laptops broke every week, laptops - every month at least one. I won't tell about workstations - that was even worse.
Then one day we bought DELL Power Edge 2600 - at the price no one on the market could compete with. It still runs great. Then bought another one 2800 - runs great by this day - had only one of its power supplies replaced - the next day after we called DELL. We also use Power Edge 6800 with 10 HDD, 4 Xeons and 24 GB of ram. We started to buy DELL laptops, workstations and LCD's - there are about 60 laptops (with fine batteries
) and 40 workstations in our company. Yes, laptops sometimes have issues - but the next day we call service, some technican comes, switches the misfunctioning part for a new one without asking unnecessary questions and the problem is gone.
I also couldn't resist taking a look inside DELL workstation - in my humble opinion it's desin is perfect - quiet and cool - I would call it.
Till now no one can offer us (company) better price for that preformance and availability.
Refferig to the post that started this thread I would go for the X2 5000+ or select a bit slower processor but instead the best service and guarantee option. The guy mentioned he needs it for software development - not for runnin 1M SuperPi below 10 seconds.
Best regards and respect to everyone.
I would never buy myself ANY prebuild system unless my salary would rise like 4 times. I have always built systems for my own use myself, using parts bought usually from one trusted supplier. I often overclocked my systems, added ram, changed HDD's, graphics ... And I'will do so probably for next few years.
But computers ar not only my hobby but also my job - I am an administrator in mid-size company. Two years ago my company was buying workstations from various suppliers or they build it on their own. :] We were also using laptops from diffrent manufacturers. I remember servicing them was a nightmare - power supplies for laptops broke every week, laptops - every month at least one. I won't tell about workstations - that was even worse.
Then one day we bought DELL Power Edge 2600 - at the price no one on the market could compete with. It still runs great. Then bought another one 2800 - runs great by this day - had only one of its power supplies replaced - the next day after we called DELL. We also use Power Edge 6800 with 10 HDD, 4 Xeons and 24 GB of ram. We started to buy DELL laptops, workstations and LCD's - there are about 60 laptops (with fine batteries
) and 40 workstations in our company. Yes, laptops sometimes have issues - but the next day we call service, some technican comes, switches the misfunctioning part for a new one without asking unnecessary questions and the problem is gone. I also couldn't resist taking a look inside DELL workstation - in my humble opinion it's desin is perfect - quiet and cool - I would call it.
Till now no one can offer us (company) better price for that preformance and availability.
Refferig to the post that started this thread I would go for the X2 5000+ or select a bit slower processor but instead the best service and guarantee option. The guy mentioned he needs it for software development - not for runnin 1M SuperPi below 10 seconds.
Best regards and respect to everyone.
BaronMatrix
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Core 2 is just catching up with Athlon compiler speed and the 6300 will not bridge the gap. If you want one of those go for the 5000+. EVen the Intel compiler runs faster on K8.
Google K8 compiler tests.
How about providing the link instead. It is a question of man hours. For you, who obviously has already searched and read the links it would take a minute or two, but you expect everyone else to do this work.... again, it does not do you well to take this approach.
I could not possibly remember the location of every review I have ever read. It never seems to matter anyway. Hell, even posting a souvenir blue badge hasn't mattered.
There are a few ways to accomplish this..... Near the top tool bar on Explorer (assuming you are using Explorer 6.0), is a button called favorites, you can easily save and site by clicking on the favorites button and saving it. Favorites also allows you to organize your links, so create a folder called 'Useful Links for TomsForumz' or something like that, when you see something that would be useful, save it there so you can post it here when you are online.
The second way to do this is to click on the History button, the icon looks like a clock with an arrow going counter clockwise. This will show you all the links tranversed over the past several weeks and months. I use this often and it does result in finding a link of a previously visited web site.
Another way to do this is to simply open two windows, in one window browse and search to your hearts content. In the other window, leave it open to TomsForumz. When you see something interesting or applicable to your arugment, highlight the address in the URL, press CNTL-C. Type your forum message and then press CNTL-V in the message composition box. Wollla --- a link.
In terms of posting a picture of a bluebadge, the reason it has not mattered is becuase nobody trusts you anyway.
Jack
That's a joke right? 95% of my favorites are development oriented and those are hard enough to keep up with. As soon as I get paid for it I will definitely save every review I ever see in my favorites. History only works if you know enough of the URL. Some URLS look like this:
http://www.itbusinessnet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=53028
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/11/DataPoints/default.aspx?loc=&fig=true
http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/264351.htm
That's easy to remember after your 700000th url. 8O
he sarcastically states.
Grinch123456
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Well, fanboys of the world, AMD or not, the lower end price/performance ratio is pretty much the same, with Intel having a slight edge on the CPU front and AMD having a larger edge on the motherboard front. Up top, though, things are slightly different, with AMD not having anything to compete with. On the ultra low end segment, Intel is being left in the dust, because of the superiority of the K8 architecture compared to that Netburst garbage. The Core 2 was excellent for consumers everywhere because of the falling prices and removal (finally) of those worthless Pentium Ds.
Anyways, back on topic. The reason Dell sucks is because of the price/performance ratio, namely, it's terrible. Dell charges exorbitant amounts of cash for lousy tech support. See, the this hatred of the Dell machines are based off an ingenious economic principle: getting more bang for the buck. If you are paying 4 times, shouldn't you getting something 4 times as powerful? In regards to the possibility that you don't have any computer building knowledge, now is as good a time as any to learn. Surely, 2 hours is worth saving a thousand dollars now, and maybe 10 times as much, if not more, further down the road.
Anyways, back on topic. The reason Dell sucks is because of the price/performance ratio, namely, it's terrible. Dell charges exorbitant amounts of cash for lousy tech support. See, the this hatred of the Dell machines are based off an ingenious economic principle: getting more bang for the buck. If you are paying 4 times, shouldn't you getting something 4 times as powerful? In regards to the possibility that you don't have any computer building knowledge, now is as good a time as any to learn. Surely, 2 hours is worth saving a thousand dollars now, and maybe 10 times as much, if not more, further down the road.
13thmonkey
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I second that
i third that.. for that money you can make your self a pretty nice pc
Correction, you can make a VERY nice PC for that kinda money. Water cooling, Core 2, x1800xt etc etc. Will run rings around those dells.
Very nice for E950 / $1000?
I'd be surprised...
But a more interesting question is what do you want to use it for?
The 7300 T-cache, I'd stay away from if you are gaming.
Dell's I'd buy one of their really really cheap machines as a word processor but thats about it. All of the options are soo expensive.
dasickninja
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Core 2 is just catching up with Athlon compiler speed and the 6300 will not bridge the gap. If you want one of those go for the 5000+. EVen the Intel compiler runs faster on K8.
Google K8 compiler tests.
How about providing the link instead. It is a question of man hours. For you, who obviously has already searched and read the links it would take a minute or two, but you expect everyone else to do this work.... again, it does not do you well to take this approach.
I could not possibly remember the location of every review I have ever read. It never seems to matter anyway. Hell, even posting a souvenir blue badge hasn't mattered.
There are a few ways to accomplish this..... Near the top tool bar on Explorer (assuming you are using Explorer 6.0), is a button called favorites, you can easily save and site by clicking on the favorites button and saving it. Favorites also allows you to organize your links, so create a folder called 'Useful Links for TomsForumz' or something like that, when you see something that would be useful, save it there so you can post it here when you are online.
The second way to do this is to click on the History button, the icon looks like a clock with an arrow going counter clockwise. This will show you all the links tranversed over the past several weeks and months. I use this often and it does result in finding a link of a previously visited web site.
Another way to do this is to simply open two windows, in one window browse and search to your hearts content. In the other window, leave it open to TomsForumz. When you see something interesting or applicable to your arugment, highlight the address in the URL, press CNTL-C. Type your forum message and then press CNTL-V in the message composition box. Wollla --- a link.
In terms of posting a picture of a bluebadge, the reason it has not mattered is becuase nobody trusts you anyway.
Jack
That's a joke right? 95% of my favorites are development oriented and those are hard enough to keep up with. As soon as I get paid for it I will definitely save every review I ever see in my favorites. History only works if you know enough of the URL. Some URLS look like this:
http://www.itbusinessnet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=53028
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/05/11/DataPoints/default.aspx?loc=&fig=true
http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/264351.htm
That's easy to remember after your 700000th url. 8O
he sarcastically states.
That proves nothing. You could have just as easily pulled those up on Google.
Try again.
jitpublisher
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Agreed, would never buy a prebuilt system from anyone, especially the hardware shop around the corner. Most of these guys come and go faster than airplanes on a Monday morning at LAX.
Dell sold over 10 million PC's in the 4th quarter of 2005 alone, there are a LOT of people who buy Dell, and are quite happy with them. The vast majority of people don't know how a PC works, and don't really care, they just need one to get things done. The enthusiast market is tiny compared to the market for pre-built and configured systems.
I would say take a shot and build your own.
But if the guy likes Dell, and wants another Dell, then Dude, get yourself a Dell. $950 is not an earth-shattering or way overpriced amount for the package you are looking at, in fact I'd say it's downright reasonable all things considered. You might save a few bucks if you bought all the same stuff and did it yourself, but everyone's perception or opinion of "value" is different.
Of the 2 choices he asked about, I'd go for the Core Duo system.
Dell sold over 10 million PC's in the 4th quarter of 2005 alone, there are a LOT of people who buy Dell, and are quite happy with them. The vast majority of people don't know how a PC works, and don't really care, they just need one to get things done. The enthusiast market is tiny compared to the market for pre-built and configured systems.
I would say take a shot and build your own.
But if the guy likes Dell, and wants another Dell, then Dude, get yourself a Dell. $950 is not an earth-shattering or way overpriced amount for the package you are looking at, in fact I'd say it's downright reasonable all things considered. You might save a few bucks if you bought all the same stuff and did it yourself, but everyone's perception or opinion of "value" is different.
Of the 2 choices he asked about, I'd go for the Core Duo system.
BaronMatrix
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angry_ducky
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Your neighborhood PC store can't sell systems for the prices that Dell does because Dell buys millions of parts, and therefore gets a huge disccount on them. The local store might have better quality and better performing machines, but they'll be AT LEAST 100 euros more than Dell.
Your neighborhood PC store can't sell systems for the prices that Dell does because Dell buys millions of parts, and therefore gets a huge disccount on them. The local store might have better quality and better performing machines, but they'll be AT LEAST 100 euros more than Dell.
"Passing on the savings" is a lie, because Dell will charge whatever the market will bear.
Do the pricing yourself. I have, for both US and Canadian markets - Dell is more expensive for all but the cheapest of machines. AND they use inferior parts.
Of the two I would go with the 5000+ on the grounds that you get XP pro rather than XP Home and it will be slightly faster. The E6300 machine has a larger HDD but thats a cheap upgrade.
IMO don't buy a Dell unless you only want to use a webcam, browse the web and run Word. i.e a cheap basic pc.
IMO don't buy a Dell unless you only want to use a webcam, browse the web and run Word. i.e a cheap basic pc.
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I second that
i third that.. for that money you can make your self a pretty nice pc
Correction, you can make a VERY nice PC for that kinda money. Water cooling, Core 2, x1800xt etc etc. Will run rings around those dells.
Very nice for E950 / $1000?
I'd be surprised...
But a more interesting question is what do you want to use it for?
The 7300 T-cache, I'd stay away from if you are gaming.
Dell's I'd buy one of their really really cheap machines as a word processor but thats about it. All of the options are soo expensive.
Do i have to give an example of a $1000 dollar PC?
E6300, x1900GT/XT, 2gb RAM, Decent Mobo etc etc can easily be had for under $1000. I'll show you a perfect example later when i'm not in a hurry.
Grinch123456
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A 2GB RAM Dimension E521 with 5000+ and 160 GB HDD is only $1100.
Ooh, DDR2 533 Ram. Sounds like a real, not-a-bottleneck, eh? Fact being, before the Core 2 Duo, when AMD's prices were enourmous, I made a computer with an AMD 3000+, ATI X800, a gig of DDR400 ram, and an 80 gig hard drive for, that's right, 400 bucks. If we're going by that price/performance ratio, Dell is terrible. "Only" $1100... Try only 800 for a MAN.
BaronMatrix
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A 2GB RAM Dimension E521 with 5000+ and 160 GB HDD is only $1100.
Ooh, DDR2 533 Ram. Sounds like a real, not-a-bottleneck, eh? Fact being, before the Core 2 Duo, when AMD's prices were enourmous, I made a computer with an AMD 3000+, ATI X800, a gig of DDR400 ram, and an 80 gig hard drive for, that's right, 400 bucks. If we're going by that price/performance ratio, Dell is terrible. "Only" $1100... Try only 800 for a MAN.
I guess I forgot that you get a 17" LCD
Build your own. That Dell case makes me barf! Start with a motherboard that will hold up with time (1, 2 or 3 years). Get the best rams available. The fun begins when you replace cpu and video card as prices drop. That way you get a new computer several times a year. Pretty soon you won't ask yourself "what Dell should I buy?" Instead your computer needs will be satisfied by your computer building expertise, experience, and preferences. Your computer related inquiries will then mature and your focus will be on the computer of the future that you will be able to build today. Be brave. If Dell can make billions building computers you can share that pie by BUILDING YOUR OWN.
angry_ducky
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The X2 5000+ is essentially a multiplier-locked FX60 with 2x512KB L2 cache. BTW, did you build a complete rig with those specs for $400, or did you just buy those four parts?
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Realy, I hope you haven't made a purchase yet because Dell gets alot of shit for their computer but I have two (a desktop and a laptop) both are great
Go for the AMD one.
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Not to beat a dead horse but within the last year I purchased 2 top of the line Dell systems and returned them both. Customer service is not what it use to be and if you want to change the OS without a Dell disk .... you can't. The drivers are built into their install disk and the computer won't recognize the drives without it. On top of that their solution to this problem is "return the system and purchase another one." I returned them but I did not buy another. If you consider changing or modifying anything I would reconsider Dell. I am not against Dell I purchased 3 of them for my office but that was several years ago. Now I will not purchase them again until they get their act straghtened out. The above problem in trying to install XP pro from XP Media Center took me 2 weeks with customer service, a New Fresh copy of XP Pro with service pack 2 and a lot of fustration. Customer service even agreed to send me the Dell XP Pro disk even without me having to purchase it (and I had volunteered to do it early into the routine) only to have sales say NO. Go figure. They even saw the note, but they rather I send it back.
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