Which Intel CPUs Support XP Mode Virtualization?

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[citation][nom]spanky deluxe[/nom]I believe there's a bios option called "Disable C1E" or "Disable Vanderpool Technology". Alternatively, just fire up CPU-Z and check to see whether VT is already enabled.[/citation]
C1E is enhanced halt state no? has nothing to do with vt, merely with power management. I don't know what nvidia calls the VT feature, but on my gigabyte p35 system it's simply called Virtualization Technology with an Enable/Disable toggle.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]E6600 avoids the grave once again. 'Twill never be obsolete.[/citation]
oh it is obsolete already! it's just way too slow for a modern enviroment. Even at 3.4ghz a conroe just isn't really quick anymore - you at least need two of them!
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]Nevar! My E6600 kicks butt in everything I throw at it, even at 3.1GHz![/citation]
Enable LLA - load forged alliance with 4-5 AI's on a 40km map with 1000 as unit cap - and tell me after 1½ hours of gameplay, that it's still kicking ass.
 
Go and load up 12 F@H SMP clients on a Q9550 and tell me it's still kicking ass. No need to make them do things they can't for no reason. If I was to upgrade I would be out of pocket a good $400-450 for no tangible benefit.
 
well forged alliance isn't equal to loading 12 instances of a calculator. It's a simple game, and it's not even the most demanding one out there. And the e6600 is supposed to handle games - thus it's obsolete.
On a side note - I'm running an e6600 myself.
 
What does it say about Windows XP that the new version of Windows, technically two versions away from XP, allows us to run a virtualized XP? It seems like XP might be M$'s golden boy.

I have a Q8300, so I guess I'm out of luck.
 
[citation][nom]Dave_69[/nom]What does it say about Windows XP that the new version of Windows, technically two versions away from XP, allows us to run a virtualized XP? It seems like XP might be M$'s golden boy.I have a Q8300, so I guess I'm out of luck.[/citation]
As of last month XP moved from mainstream to extended support. This in turn will be terminated in april 2014.
Essentially this means, that while you can keep running XP based software in your virtual enviroment, you will not receive any feature updates anymore. All you get is security fixes. The virtual enviroment isn't something microsoft did to milk the old xp cow, but to encourage people to switch to a more secure and in theory more reliable platform before they get left behind.
In essence they are just providing a piece of software similar to vmware's (free) player, so that people can move to windows 7 without too much fear of losing their old 16bit compatibility they've grown used to.

Besides this, I wonder how they're planning on offering licenses for xp ? Is that included in your virtual pc package, or does it require the person merging to have a retail or volume license for xp (moving an oem license to new hardware isn't legal, and often not possible due to bios mismatch). After all you can't buy a new xp license as of last year.
 
[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]well forged alliance isn't equal to loading 12 instances of a calculator. It's a simple game, and it's not even the most demanding one out there. And the e6600 is supposed to handle games - thus it's obsolete.On a side note - I'm running an e6600 myself.[/citation]
Obsoletion is relative. If i did video encoding, it would be obsolete. If I play Left 4 Dead, it's not obsolete. If I use Firefox it's not obsolete. If I try to run 12 instances of F@H I probably BSOD.
 
[citation][nom]Dave_69[/nom]I have a Q8300, so I guess I'm out of luck.[/citation]
By the way - you can still run a 32bit virtual os in vmware without VT - you just can't run a 64bit one. I'm not sure wether this is possible in a 64bit host enviroment like it is with vista, but i'd assume so.
So you aren't THAT much out of luck. install a vmware workstation and before trial ends, make sure you've installed what you need. Then ditch the workstation and install a player you can now use for your virtual xp from now till eternity. If you set up your virtual network to only communicate with your host, you don't even need to worry about the security fixes not arriving after 2014. And since you're still running a 8+ year old os, you might still be running windows 7 in 4.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]Obsoletion is relative. If i did video encoding, it would be obsolete. If I play Left 4 Dead, it's not obsolete. If I use Firefox it's not obsolete. If I try to run 12 instances of F@H I probably BSOD.[/citation]
Since windows reserves some amount of resources for itself, I bet you can't get a bsod from 12 instances .... you get an unresponsive gui, which a taskmanager might be able to stop, or it'll simply lag you to death. But it won't grant you a blue debug screen unless it prevents drivers from working. And it won't.

Anyway, it is obsolete. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it's out of production, and it's comparatively slow and inefficient.
 
I was joking about the BSOD. If 2 VMs sucking 96% of my RAM doesn't cause a BSOD, nothing will :lol:

Well, even if it is obsolete, there is zero reason to upgrade it. The ROI wouldn't be even close to justifiable.
 
A Q9xxx wouldn't work on my board, which is why I'd need to shell out even more cash for such a small benefit. A Q6600 will work but isn't going to OC far. Some have managed to get E8xxx chips working but it's hit-and-miss. Good old AB9 Pro.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]A Q9xxx wouldn't work on my board, which is why I'd need to shell out even more cash for such a small benefit. A Q6600 will work but isn't going to OC far. Some have managed to get E8xxx chips working but it's hit-and-miss. Good old AB9 Pro.[/citation]
Tough luck!
When i5 hits, go grab whatever amd lowers the price of in response ... I suppose a nice 810 or 720 would be cheap enough to justify at that point. We'll see when we're there.
 
[citation][nom]randomizer[/nom]Or... I could hold out until Haswell[/citation]
suppose you went from a K6-2 350Mhz to your E6600 as well then? since you're so good at waiting :)
 
[citation][nom]neiroatopelcc[/nom]That's only saying something if your tbird lasted longer than mine! I blew mine after about 4 months running 1.4ghz in the first half of 2001.[/citation]
My t-bird is still going after 8 years. Granted the ~20% OC in the last couple has caused degradation. I used to run it at 969MHz (up from 800 stock), then 958, 936 and finally back down to 900 after it decided not to POST the other day causing the BIOS to reset to what it thinks is stock. I do so love being able to change the multi with DIP switches (pencil multi unlocks FTW). All these fancy BIOS settings aren't as fun as flicking switches.
 
Q6600/6700 YES
Q8200/8200S/8300/8400/8400S NO

The Quad 8000 series was released 1-2 years after the introduction of the Quad 6000 series (depending on revision/model) yet lacks the Intel VT feature. Not exactly forward thinking Intel!
 
[citation][nom]Cletus_slackjawd[/nom]Q6600/6700 YESQ8200/8200S/8300/8400/8400S NOThe Quad 8000 series was released 1-2 years after the introduction of the Quad 6000 series (depending on revision/model) yet lacks the Intel VT feature. Not exactly forward thinking Intel![/citation]
It makes perfect sense if you look at it this way. The E6000 series has VT, the E4000 does not. The E8000 has VT (except the E8190 but it's an oddball), the E7000 series does not. The Q9000 series has VT, the Q8000 series does not. Notice the pattern? The "low-end" parts don't have it. The Q6000 series didn't really have a low-end counterpart to lack VT.
 
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