Which is better Tualatin Cele 1ghz or p3 933mhz coppermine?

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Oh, yeah. If it wasn't an Intel board, it's be running overclocked on 133 fsb. The Intel MB may allow you to select the fsb manually, but I doubt it...it certainly should be checked though I agree. If it will, then all is good and go for the celeron.

That Asus board is good. The only problem with it is that it wouldn't allow a board to boot at above stock vcore. So, if you were trying to boot a cel that needed a higher core clock to run, it wouldn't adjust the vcore until after booting, so, oops...it wouldn't boot. There was a pin trick you could do to it...but, anyway....I digress. :wink:
 
Qestion how do you do that..lol i have been working on computers at the age 6. but i dotn know how to mod the pin if you tell me or have al ink where i can learn how to get it i would be so thank full
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To be honest i can't remember which pin it is(been a few years),
but you have to insulate the BSEL pin. You can put a thin piece of wire
insulation on the pin, then carefully reinstall the CPU, or(this wouldn't work for me) put nail polish or white out on the pin.The third option is
final ( i did it on my celeron 800), and not wise, but you can snap the pin off. Once this is done, if it won't run @133 then the CPU is garbage. I used
to do that mod, and the voltage mods, but i can't remember where the
links are for the pinout charts. You could find a pinout chart but still need
to know which pin to mod -ie: AK 47. That is column 47 @row AK. Very much like finding a place on a map. I'm sure that Crashman will know the
pins to mod, if he catches a view of this thread, and will likely add his own
thoughts on the subject. GL
 
This is both interesting and has a pinout diagram:

http://www.hta-bi.bfh.ch/~rufem1/pc/tualatin2_e.html

After looking around and doing a bit of research (the site I suggest isn't the only one I read, it's just the best of a few), it's BSEL1 you want to remove:

http://www.kilowattalley.com/easy.htm

I.e. as in, cut off or isolate pin AJ31. You might also want a voltage adjustment.

I now realize that the 133Mhz FSB is a lot more important than I remembered, so Pain is right, go with the Pentium III if you don't want the hassle of messing around. But for the record a Celeron-S @ 1.33Ghz would be much faster still.
 
After looking around and doing a bit of research (the site I suggest isn't the only one I read, it's just the best of a few), it's BSEL1 you want to remove:

http://www.kilowattalley.com/easy.htm
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Nice find, i've never seen that page before. :wink: I'm almost certain that i removed BSEL0 though, but it's better to go by that site. I have
to disagree about it not being worth the trouble. It's up to the OP whether the
risks are worth it(i wouldn't advise breaking the pin, just masking it), but it will
definetely outperform the P3 by a nice margin.

EDIT. I misread what you said about running at 133. I thought you said it wasn't worth it...My apologies. :?
 
Yeah, I've seen those pages before, or others like them. Now that I look at them again, I never did the convertions to use a tauly in a copermine board. I used the sloket converters to use them in slot1 boards, and I did try the pin trick on an asus board to use more than default voltage on boot, but that is what I never really had much luck with so I think I gave up on it.

If someone didn't mind spending a few bucks, you could get one of the adapter sockets from upgradeware to essentially do the convertion for you without all the wires. :)

http://www.strattoncomputer.com/so370ad.html
 
Yeah, I've seen those pages before, or others like them. Now that I look at them again, I never did the convertions to use a tauly in a copermine board. I used the sloket converters to use them in slot1 boards, and I did try the pin trick on an asus board to use more than default voltage on boot, but that is what I never really had much luck with so I think I gave up on it.

If someone didn't mind spending a few bucks, you could get one of the adapter sockets from upgradeware to essentially do the convertion for you without all the wires. :)

http://www.strattoncomputer.com/so370ad.html
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Yes, the volt mods worked well for me, but were tedious with my big fat fingers. :wink: trying to wrap a super thin piece of wire around 2 pins
takes patience. I got a few slotket adaptors off eBay ~2 years ago at like
$10/apiece shipped. :) They work great. I have a Tualatin adaptor ontop
of a Slot 1 adaptor. LOL. Doesn't leave a ton of room for a HS/F between
it and your RAM.
 
Me too, a taul. adapter on a sloket. I also have a sloket taulatin adapter. Here recently I went ahead and bought a couple socket 370 boards to use up a few cel 1.1s I had, and they overclocked right to 1.45 without any increase in voltage. Not bad use of some old parts and they are fine for basic computer needs for what most people need from a machine. I wouldn't try to run FEAR at 60 fps or anything, but.... :wink:
 
I have a new 2nd computer i started a forum on it we'll i was looking on ebay and found a p3 933mhz for $12.45

My setup is
MB:Intel Desktop i815E
Mem:512 (2x256mb Pc133)
Hdd:WD 40GB 7200 rpm
Video:Nvidia Geforce2 GTS 32mb
case:basic black case with 250watt PSU

Now i dont know which is better the
Pentium 3 933mhz L1 32K L2 256K FSB 133mhz 1.7V
Celeron-S 1ghz L1 32K L2 256K FSB 100mhz 1.5V

I dont know which is better on this so please help me on this

Thanks Let me what you think of the matter
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I will recomend you to stay with your Celeron Tualatin. Just change the FSB to 133MHz(it is porbably jumper-controled on mainboard). and increase .05v if it is needed for stability.
Check if your RAM can support 133MHz, if not than reduce the RAM divider to 100MHz.
 
I agree with you, except that he has an intel motherboard, and it likely not going to have any ability to overclock, which is basically what we've been saying. :wink:

If it does, great, that's what will be best without a doubt.
 
You can do a pin mod to make the Celeron work at 133MHz FSB, or you can do that same mod on the "Lin-Lin" adapter, which has jumpers for the purpose, eliminating any "mishaps".

And by the way, the Celerons 100MHz FSB REALLY DID suck. Running the memory at 133MHz assynchronously did NOT help because the CPU could only get data at 100MHz. I did a LOT of testing with the Tualatin Celeron 1.1GHz and PIII 1000EB, the 1000EB walked all over it in memory-intensive applications like video encoding. I was making a lot of movies at the time. And the pin mod to make the 133MHz FSB is wonderfull because the CPU is both faster, and with a higher speed bus.

You hear a bunch of turdheads talking about theory, well, theory doesn't cut it when you have real-life testing for comparison.
 
Well a Tualatin Celly would beat or be about the same as a Coppermine PIII clock-clock basis..and they don't generate as much heat as 180nm Coppermines .. since they are made as 130nm (All it is a chopped down Tualatin P3 with 256kbL2 instead of 512kb.. although there are 256kb Tualatins If I remember right)

Yes if you're able to get a good board.. do overclock .. I used to have the fastest possible Tualatin Celly and I was able to get 112Mhz-FSB x 13
 
Hey Pain, did you know the Tualatin Celerons also had an extra cycle of latency programed for the cache? Just one more thing supporters of Tualatin Celerons tend to overlook when they talk about how fast it might be...in theory.

Yet I still found bus speed to be the most signficant factor, in my own testing.
 
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