[SOLVED] Which one from these choices are the best gaming PC? (RTX 2060)

[RakaZet]

1.
PROCESSOR = INTEL CORE I5 9400F 6-Core (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz)
MAINBOARD = Asrock B365M Pro4 LGA 11511
MEMORY = Patriot / Adata 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666Mhz
SSD = ADATA 120GB sata III internal 2.5"
HDD = WD 1TB Blue
VGA = Nvidia Geforce RTX 2060 6GB DDR6 256Bit
WIFI = TP-Link Wireless Adapter 300Mbps
CASING = Enlight ODIN + 4 FAN
PSU = Gamemax GP 650 - 650 Watt Bronze 80+

2.
PROCESSOR: Intel Core I5 9400F up to 4.10Ghz
MOTHERBOARD: Biostar H310MHC2
Cooler: Intel Stock Cooler
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB 2400Mhz DDR4
GPU: ZOTAC RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6
SSD: ADATA SU650 120GB SSD
PSU: Deepcool 80+ DN650 650W 80+
Chassis: Armageddon Infineon 1000
FAN: Armageddon Infineon loop RGB X5 Fans

3.

1. Intel Core i5-9400F 3.2 GHz (Processor)
2. MSI H310M Pro-VH Plus (Motherboard)
3. GeForce RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6 (VGA)
4. Adata DDR4 2666MHz 16GB (2x8GB) (RAM)
5. WD Green SSD 240GB
6. WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM (HDD)
7. Cooler Master MWE 550W 80+ (PSU)
8. Bebas pilih dari foto produk (Case)

1&2 have the same price, while the 3rd choice is $100 pricier. The VGA is Zotac, is it good or should I go for well known brand such as MSI/ASUS?
Thanks,

 

[Phaaze88]

None of them, really.
Intel must be much more affordable over Ryzen where you live, I presume?

My problems with the 9400F aside, Build 2 is the worst of the 3:
-H310 isn't compatible with 9th gen Intel cpus out of the box. It requires a bios update using an 8th gen Intel cpu beforehand.
-8GBs of ram in this day and age?
-I get that the SSD is for the OS only, but 120GBs doesn't leave much headroom, even for it.
-poor quality psu
-bad case design: that thing's a hot box.

Build 1:
-low capacity main drive
-psu is mediocre

Build 3 is tied with #1, but only because you don't have an actual case listed for #3:
-H310 motherboard compatibility with 9th gen Intel
-mediocre psu

 

[RakaZet]

None of them, really.
Intel must be much more affordable over Ryzen where you live, I presume?

My problems with the 9400F aside, Build 2 is the worst of the 3:
-H310 isn't compatible with 9th gen Intel cpus out of the box. It requires a bios update using an 8th gen Intel cpu beforehand.
-8GBs of ram in this day and age?
-I get that the SSD is for the OS only, but 120GBs doesn't leave much headroom, even for it.
-poor quality psu
-bad case design: that thing's a hot box.

Build 1:
-low capacity main drive
-psu is mediocre

Build 3 is tied with #1, but only because you don't have an actual case listed for #3:
-H310 motherboard compatibility with 9th gen Intel
-mediocre psu

So the only problem with build 1 is the mediocre PSU? I already have the main drive. What about the case for build 1? Or the motherboard?
What about this?

1. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6GHz (Processor)
2. MSI B450M PRO-M2 V2 (Motherboard)
3. GeForce RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6 (VGA)
4. Adata DDR4 2666MHz 16GB (2x8GB) (RAM)
5. WD Green SSD 240GB
6. WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM (HDD)
7. Cooler Master MWE 550W 80+ (PSU)

8 Casing can be chosen from the thumbnail https://www.tokopedia.com/marketcomp/pc-rakitan-gaming-ryzen-5-3600-3rd-gen-rtx-2060-for-sultan
Thanks a lot bro.

 

[EPIC123]

I think that you are trying to build a budget PC. It is one of the common mistakes that people make. Replace the i5-9400f with a core i7-8700k or i7-9700k and see how good it is.

 

[RakaZet]

I think that you are trying to build a budget PC. It is one of the common mistakes that people make. Replace the i5-9400f with a core i7-8700k or i7-9700k and see how good it is.

Why is it a mistake? With the same amount of money, am I able to build a better PC?

 

[Phaaze88]

So the only problem with build 1 is the mediocre PSU? I already have the main drive. What about the case for build 1? Or the motherboard?

-No, your choice of cpu is also a problem for long term use, but since you had it in all 3 builds... that's why I said 'cpu aside'.
-Oh well, nothing to be done about the main drive then...
-The case in build 1 is just a knockoff NZXT H500. It'll be fine, until you start installing more power hungry hardware, after which you'll start running into high temperature scenarios. For example, I wouldn't put a 2070 Super, RX 5700XT, 9700K, 3800X or better in a case like that.
-I'm not well versed in motherboards, but at least you won't have compatibility issues pairing that cpu with that mobo.

What about this?

1. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6GHz (Processor)
2. MSI B450M PRO-M2 V2 (Motherboard)
3. GeForce RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6 (VGA)
4. Adata DDR4 2666MHz 16GB (2x8GB) (RAM)
5. WD Green SSD 240GB
6. WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM (HDD)
7. Cooler Master MWE 550W 80+ (PSU)

-That motherboard won't boot with Ryzen 3000 without a bios update. It's also one of the few Msi B450 mobos that doesn't have the bios flashback feature(update bios w/o cpu). Try Msi's B450 Gaming Plus instead.
-Know that Ryzen cpus have a fraction of their performance 'gated' behind memory speed. 3200mhz is recommended, and you will have performance missing from the table from the beginning with the slower 2666mhz kit.
-As for the power supply, I have to quote other people's word on this:
"MWE 550W is made by HEC, and it uses a double forward, group regulated topology - the same outdated principle as the Seasonic S12II, which doesn't respond well to load from modern PCs. The MWE line is tricky, because only the 600W and 650W models use DC-DC converters, while 550W and everything below uses group regulation."

"The only real issue with that mwe is that it contains solely 85c rated teapo caps.
While teapo are not a trainwreck on component quality really there's no excuse for using 85c rated caps in this day & age imo.
It performs well enough,fairly on par with the cx550 but I would expect it to degrade quicker (lower life expectancy) than the cx550 which is full of 105c rated japanese caps ,the only non japanese ones are polymers which last forever.
CM have given it a 5 year warranty though which shows they have some confidence in its life expectancy."

8 Casing can be chosen from the thumbnail https://www.tokopedia.com/marketcomp/pc-rakitan-gaming-ryzen-5-3600-3rd-gen-rtx-2060-for-sultan

They are all essentially identical, only the front panel looks different.

I think that you are trying to build a budget PC. It is one of the common mistakes that people make. Replace the i5-9400f with a core i7-8700k or i7-9700k and see how good it is.

Both of those cpus go for almost twice the price of the I5-9400 and Ryzen 3600(depending on where you look)...
While they would be preferable to what the OP's considering, I'm pretty sure they're over the budget.

Also, there's nothing wrong with building a budget PC. We all have different financial straits.
The common mistakes are:
-building with cheap ass power supplies, which I learned is a common issue is lower income countries. Blame the psu manufacturers for grossly overpricing their actually good models in those areas. They're making greater profits from selling many more of their cheaper units.
They're not really concerned if their premium models aren't really selling.

-mixing memory kits - you know, the 'I'll just get a single stick now and add later' thing, only for the incompatibility dice roll to bite them in the butt later.

-cases are also a problem too sometimes, but not as crucial as the first 2, so I'll leave that alone.

Why is it a mistake? With the same amount of money, am I able to build a better PC?

I'd suggest taking a look at Ryzen 2600(X) or 2700(X) instead. You would get more longevity out of either of those over the 9400F, and would allow for more spending headroom in other areas over a Ryzen 3600.

 

[RakaZet]

-No, your choice of cpu is also a problem for long term use, but since you had it in all 3 builds... that's why I said 'cpu aside'.
-Oh well, nothing to be done about the main drive then...
-The case in build 1 is just a knockoff NZXT H500. It'll be fine, until you start installing more power hungry hardware, after which you'll start running into high temperature scenarios. For example, I wouldn't put a 2070 Super, RX 5700XT, 9700K, 3800X or better in a case like that.
-I'm not well versed in motherboards, but at least you won't have compatibility issues pairing that cpu with that mobo.

Thanks for your reply, I can't thank you enough. I'm now leaning towards the first choice. Can I ask why a PSU is important? I never really know why. Is this PSU good?https://www.google.com/search?q=sea...d-xiaomi-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 About the case, I don't really like the look. Is it fine if I change it to MSI MAG Vampiric 010 /Antec DP 301M/Abkoncore K12? Which one is better? Thanks.

 

[Phaaze88]

Is this PSU good?https://www.google.com/search?q=sea...d-xiaomi-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Oh, that's a fairly new model. The Core series appears to be the replacement for the already good Focus series they're phasing out. Can't go wrong with that.

Can I ask why a PSU is important?

It can get pretty technical, but at least check out the first paragraph in this guide here by a renowned power supply enthusiast, 'Jonny Guru' : http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?1036-The-quot-power-supply-FAQ-quot

Here's another guide provided by one of this site's moderators, Proximon: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/computer-power-supplies-a-guide.181314/
There's even a couple of psu recommendation lists and one including lemons(and why they are thus) in there.

About the case, I don't really like the look. Is it fine if I change it to MSI MAG Vampiric 010 or Antec DP 301M? Which one is better? Thanks.

From the reviews I could find on the Vampiric, it's OK for the price, but it gets docked for:
-no front dust filter
-restricted airflow, but that goes for pretty much any case that closes off the front and intakes from the sides at a 90 degree angle. The greater the obstacles, the weaker the air pressure coming into the case becomes. Msi appears to have offset this by not including a front air filter.
You'll just have to clean it out more often.

-Only one fan is included, so you will have to go out and buy more, adding to the overall cost.
-Why to this day do manufacturer's put a filter in the top? Exhaust needs no filtration. Just remove it if you go with this case.

I couldn't find any real reviews on the Dark Phantom, but at least it has a front panel filter. But from what I've observed from the images:
-top panel filter... AGAIN. WTH...
-Single fan included. Will need to buy more, which adds to the cost.
-While the front panel is restricted, it's not to the same degree as the Vampiric.
-It seems expensive compared to the Vampiric, at least in the US: $70 vs $110.
-Warning! This is a Micro ATX case! Your motherboard options will be restricted to M-ATX and M-ITX form factors. Standard ATX will not fit.
-Another warning! This case is not recommended for running 2 and 3-fan gpu models. They will overheat and thermal throttle when put under a decent workload! You will need to resort to the blower style models like this one, for example, that excel thermally in tight spaces.
Now, if the boneheads at Antec had just drilled holes in the psu shroud like Phanteks did with this case, it wouldn't have been an issue at all...

IMO, the Vampiric wins.

 

[mdd1963]

Yes, I'd avoid 9400/9400F if at all possible; 6 cores is fine, but 6 total threads is quite marginal, as many owners report minimum FPS issues/frame rate tanks/stutters in heavy action sequences for gaming....

(THought sure I read the Ryzen 5 2600X was on sale for $120 recently? Otherwise, the R5-3600 is the de facto standard 'go to' these days, albeit at $50-60 more cost or so over a 9400...)

 

[RakaZet]

Oh, that's a fairly new model. The Core series appears to be the replacement for the already good Focus series they're phasing out. Can't go wrong with that.


It can get pretty technical, but at least check out the first paragraph in this guide here by a renowned power supply enthusiast, 'Jonny Guru' : http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?1036-The-quot-power-supply-FAQ-quot

Here's another guide provided by one of this site's moderators, Proximon: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/computer-power-supplies-a-guide.181314/
There's even a couple of psu recommendation lists and one including lemons(and why they are thus) in there.


From the reviews I could find on the Vampiric, it's OK for the price, but it gets docked for:
-no front dust filter
-restricted airflow, but that goes for pretty much any case that closes off the front and intakes from the sides at a 90 degree angle. The greater the obstacles, the weaker the air pressure coming into the case becomes. Msi appears to have offset this by not including a front air filter.
You'll just have to clean it out more often.

-Only one fan is included, so you will have to go out and buy more, adding to the overall cost.
-Why to this day do manufacturer's put a filter in the top? Exhaust needs no filtration. Just remove it if you go with this case.

I couldn't find any real reviews on the Dark Phantom, but at least it has a front panel filter. But from what I've observed from the images:
-top panel filter... AGAIN. WTH...
-Single fan included. Will need to buy more, which adds to the cost.
-While the front panel is restricted, it's not to the same degree as the Vampiric.
-It seems expensive compared to the Vampiric, at least in the US: $70 vs $110.
-Warning! This is a Micro ATX case! Your motherboard options will be restricted to M-ATX and M-ITX form factors. Standard ATX will not fit.
-Another warning! This case is not recommended for running 2 and 3-fan gpu models. They will overheat and thermal throttle when put under a decent workload! You will need to resort to the blower style models like this one, for example, that excel thermally in tight spaces.
Now, if the boneheads at Antec had just drilled holes in the psu shroud like Phanteks did with this case, it wouldn't have been an issue at all...

IMO, the Vampiric wins.

Thanks a lot for the extremely detailed explanation, I'm really a noob in these things and you're really helpful. Two more questions, is the Abkoncore K12 case good? Imo it looks very clean and I would prefer it over the MSI Vampiric, but performance comes first. Also, why should I pick the Ryzen 5 2600X over an i5 9400F? The FPS differences is quite noticeable, where the 2600x has around 20 lower fps compared to the i5.
EDIT: NVM, it's actually not that far on 2666HZ.

 

[RakaZet]

Yes, I'd avoid 9400/9400F if at all possible; 6 cores is fine, but 6 total threads is quite marginal, as many owners report minimum FPS issues/frame rate tanks/stutters in heavy action sequences for gaming....

(THought sure I read the Ryzen 5 2600X was on sale for $120 recently? Otherwise, the R5-3600 is the de facto standard 'go to' these days, albeit at $50-60 more cost or so over a 9400...)

I have an i5 6400 + GTX 1050 Ti and I swear I can't play any modern games. BF1 is stuck at 15 fps, it's so so weird. The CPU usage is always 100% while GPU is only 50%. Judging by the name, i5 9400f is just a newer gen of i5 6400, right? I might have to stay away from intel now.

 

[Phaaze88]

Abkoncore K12

Similar design to the Phanteks Eclipse P300: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phanteks-eclipse-p300-case,5244.html
Might be a little worse than the P300 thermally speaking, as there's no top panel exhaust.

Also, why should I pick the Ryzen 5 2600X over an i5 9400F? The FPS differences is quite noticeable, where the 2600x has around 20 lower fps compared to the i5.

Same reason why myself and other knowledgeable folks on this site(and perhaps others) try to advise new builders away from the cheaper Intel offerings: available cpu resources and the frametime hiccups observed from non-hyperthreaded and non-SMT(AMD's version of HT) cpus when said resources are used up.
The 9400 is faster in older and some newer titles, but as time progresses and games become more and more multi-threaded, a 6 core/6 thread 9400 will not last you as long as the 6 core/12 thread Ryzen 2600 which will actually pull ahead in those titles.
Ryzen does require a greater investment in faster ram so as not to gimp it's performance though. The only mainstream cpus on Intel's end worth looking at are the 9700K and 9900K; AMD pretty much has them beat in everywhere else.

If you could get a Ryzen 3600, that'd be even better, but from what I've gone over with you already, it requires you to make some not so great sacrifices towards your other hardware selections. That's why I suggested Ryzen 2000 instead.

BF1 is stuck at 15 fps, it's so so weird.

BF 1 is one of those multi-threaded games I was referring to. It can use up to 8 threads - a 6400 only has half that...
Then, there's the one of a kind game, Ashes of the Singularity, which can use as many threads as you can throw at it.

 

[RakaZet]

Similar design to the Phanteks Eclipse P300: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phanteks-eclipse-p300-case,5244.html
Might be a little worse than the P300 thermally speaking, as there's no top panel exhaust.

So compared to the MSI VAMPIRIC, is the Abkoncore K12 wayyy worse or can I choose it instead?

Same reason why myself and other knowledgeable folks on this site(and perhaps others) try to advise new builders away from the cheaper Intel offerings: available cpu resources and the frametime hiccups observed from non-hyperthreaded and non-SMT(AMD's version of HT) cpus when said resources are used up.
The 9400 is faster in older and some newer titles, but as time progresses and games become more and more multi-threaded, a 6 core/6 thread 9400 will not last you as long as the 6 core/12 thread Ryzen 2600 which will actually pull ahead in those titles.
Ryzen does require a greater investment in faster ram so as not to gimp it's performance though. The only mainstream cpus on Intel's end worth looking at are the 9700K and 9900K; AMD pretty much has them beat in everywhere else.

If you could get a Ryzen 3600, that'd be even better, but from what I've gone over with you already, it requires you to make some not so great sacrifices towards your other hardware selections. That's why I suggested Ryzen 2000 instead.


BF 1 is one of those multi-threaded games I was referring to. It can use up to 8 threads - a 6400 only has half that...
Then, there's the one of a kind game, Ashes of the Singularity, which can use as many threads as you can throw at it.

Thank you for your explanation, I am certainly going to stay away from the 9400F and choose Ryzen 2600X or 3600.

 

[Phaaze88]

So compared to the MSI VAMPIRIC, is the Abkoncore K12 wayyy worse or can I choose it instead?

You can choose it if you wish, but if temps aren't good, you may find yourself leaving either the side or front panel off.
These kinds of case designs are hardest on gpus - I'm not excluding cpus at all, as they too will run warmer, but they're normally not as bad off due to their cooler's proximity to the rear and top exhaust fans.
Well, at least the K12 has a grille in the psu shroud...
I can't give you a concrete answer as to the thermal performance in that case. I wasn't able to find any reviews, so I can only go off my own observations of the images.

 

[RakaZet]

You can choose it if you wish, but if temps aren't good, you may find yourself leaving either the side or front panel off.
These kinds of case designs are hardest on gpus - I'm not excluding cpus at all, as they too will run warmer, but they're normally not as bad off due to their cooler's proximity to the rear and top exhaust fans.
Well, at least the K12 has a grille in the psu shroud...
I can't give you a concrete answer as to the thermal performance in that case. I wasn't able to find any reviews, so I can only go off my own observations of the images.

Thanks bro, sorry for the late reply. I'm now planning to get the 3600 instead but with the B450 motherboard so I'll have to update the BIOS. I just found about a new casing brand. The cases they make are called Prime K-F, Prime T-L, Prime T-R. Which one is the best? Thanks bro.

 

[Phaaze88]

Thanks bro, sorry for the late reply. I'm now planning to get the 3600 instead but with the B450 motherboard so I'll have to update the BIOS. I just found about a new casing brand. The cases they make are called Prime K-F, Prime T-L, Prime T-R. Which one is the best? Thanks bro.

Premium Case – Primegaming

primegaming.id

Hands down, the A-G Mesh... but that's not what you were asking about. Hmm...
The Prime T-R.

 

[RakaZet]

Premium Case – Primegaming

primegaming.id

Hands down, the A-G Mesh... but that's not what you were asking about. Hmm...
The Prime T-R.

Hmmm is the A-G Mesh superior in tons of ways? I really have no idea what a case is for other than airflow for the temp. Will the temp affect FPS performance?

 

[Phaaze88]

Hmmm is the A-G Mesh superior in tons of ways?

It offers the least amount of resistance.
The more 'obstacles' you add, the weaker the air pressure and airflow coming into the case, and the worse the thermal performance is.
Exhaust isn't usually an issue, as the case grilles are the only obstacle for those fans.

1)Closed off, and near closed off, front panels:
While they can look nice, are one of the greatest impediments to case airflow. Gpu temps suffer the most from this.
Some cases make up for this by having fully accessible side intake, bottom intake(Ex: Cooler Master Mastercase SL600M), or both(Ex: Lian Li's O11 Dynamic).
There are side intake cases, such as NZXT's H500(and it's crap-ton of lookalikes), and while it does work, it has limitations. The intake is frankly, too narrow - the case is a poor option for high end, and some mid range gpu builds.

2)'Turns' reduce air pressure:
This one kinda goes hand-in-hand with the closed front panel point. Air coming in from the side and then taking a 90 degree turn before it gets to your eagerly waiting components.

3)Air filters:
They too, are an obstacle, but aren't nearly as bad as others. Sometimes manufacturer's overdoit with multiple layers, and at times make them too thick...
Still preferable to no filtered intake.

4)Miscellaneous obstacles, such as storage drive cages, power supply shrouds, etc.

Will the temp affect FPS performance?

The temps will affect AMD Ryzen cpu and Nvidia gpu frequency boost algorithms; clock speeds are affected by how much thermal headroom is available.

 

[RakaZet]

It offers the least amount of resistance.
The more 'obstacles' you add, the weaker the air pressure and airflow coming into the case, and the worse the thermal performance is.
Exhaust isn't usually an issue, as the case grilles are the only obstacle for those fans.

1)Closed off, and near closed off, front panels:
While they can look nice, are one of the greatest impediments to case airflow. Gpu temps suffer the most from this.
Some cases make up for this by having fully accessible side intake, bottom intake(Ex: Cooler Master Mastercase SL600M), or both(Ex: Lian Li's O11 Dynamic).
There are side intake cases, such as NZXT's H500(and it's crap-ton of lookalikes), and while it does work, it has limitations. The intake is frankly, too narrow - the case is a poor option for high end, and some mid range gpu builds.

2)'Turns' reduce air pressure:
This one kinda goes hand-in-hand with the closed front panel point. Air coming in from the side and then taking a 90 degree turn before it gets to your eagerly waiting components.

3)Air filters:
They too, are an obstacle, but aren't nearly as bad as others. Sometimes manufacturer's overdoit with multiple layers, and at times make them too thick...
Still preferable to no filtered intake.

4)Miscellaneous obstacles, such as storage drive cages, power supply shrouds, etc.


The temps will affect AMD Ryzen cpu and Nvidia gpu frequency boost algorithms; clock speeds are affected by how much thermal headroom is available.

I see, thanks again for your detailed explanation. Will there be a significant difference for gameplays if I choose a closed front panel case (I really like the look) compared to the cases you recommend? Will it afffect the health of my GPU/CPU? I'm not planning to upgrade my PC perhaps for another 4 years, so I need to have a balance between having a good looking PC while also keeping it safe.

By the way, here is my updated PC parts list, cases are still yet to be decided. https://www.enterkomputer.com/simulasi/preview/ARELVAU7 . What do you think?

 

[Phaaze88]

Gpu temps are impacted the most from those kinds of cases; cpu temps just see like a few degrees more.

By the way, here is my updated PC parts list, cases are still yet to be decided. https://www.enterkomputer.com/simulasi/preview/ARELVAU7 . What do you think?

Change:
1)Ram: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...00-16GB-2x8GB-Dual-Channel-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

2)Psu: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...0-Gold-Certified-7-Years-Warranty-Replacement

3)Motherboard: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...-MAX-AM4-AMD-Promontory-B450-DDR4-USB32-SATA3

4)Vga: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detail/162320/Sapphire-Radeon-RX-5700-8GB-DDR6-Pulse
Ditch the cpu cooler. The one that comes with the Ryzen 3600 is good enough - the Rp 700.000 can go towards that RX 5700 instead; better than RTX 2060.

 

[RakaZet]

Gpu temps are impacted the most from those kinds of cases; cpu temps just see like a few degrees more.


Change:
1)Ram: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...00-16GB-2x8GB-Dual-Channel-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

2)Psu: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...0-Gold-Certified-7-Years-Warranty-Replacement

3)Motherboard: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...-MAX-AM4-AMD-Promontory-B450-DDR4-USB32-SATA3

4)Vga: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detail/162320/Sapphire-Radeon-RX-5700-8GB-DDR6-Pulse
Ditch the cpu cooler. The one that comes with the Ryzen 3600 is good enough - the Rp 700.000 can go towards that RX 5700 instead; better than RTX 2060.

Holy cow, you even did the work for me! I can't thank you enough. Is the RX 5700 far better than a 2060? I know it has more Vram, but I really want to try Ray Tracing. Should I pick RX 5700 over an RTx 2060 super?

 

[RakaZet]

Gpu temps are impacted the most from those kinds of cases; cpu temps just see like a few degrees more.


Change:
1)Ram: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...00-16GB-2x8GB-Dual-Channel-F4-3200C16D-16GVKB

2)Psu: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...0-Gold-Certified-7-Years-Warranty-Replacement

3)Motherboard: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detai...-MAX-AM4-AMD-Promontory-B450-DDR4-USB32-SATA3

4)Vga: https://www.enterkomputer.com/detail/162320/Sapphire-Radeon-RX-5700-8GB-DDR6-Pulse
Ditch the cpu cooler. The one that comes with the Ryzen 3600 is good enough - the Rp 700.000 can go towards that RX 5700 instead; better than RTX 2060.

Can you explain to me why the B450A pro msi is better than the Asrock B450 steel legend? I know this sounds like a stupid reason, but Steel Legend gives me that premium look with a low price.

 

[Phaaze88]

Can you explain to me why the B450A pro msi is better than the Asrock B450 steel legend? I know this sounds like a stupid reason, but Steel Legend gives me that premium look with a low price.

Don't leave out the MAX in the name, it's important.
-a little more affordable than the Steel Legend
-supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box without having to deal with the bios update shenanigans that less informed people tend to run into. The Steel Legend does not, unless you are able to contact a store rep to update the bios before shipping it to you?

Holy cow, you even did the work for me! I can't thank you enough. Is the RX 5700 far better than a 2060? I know it has more Vram, but I really want to try Ray Tracing. Should I pick RX 5700 over an RTx 2060 super?

The ray tracing is but a half-assed implementation, and the performance impact is just too harsh on the majority of systems. You'd need like a 2080 or 2080Ti just to maintain 60fps on 1080p!

Then there's the premium tax Nvidia has slapped on these RTX gpus because:
-it's innovative(it's not, it's been around, just not in a gpu yet)
-they did it first(they didn't)

I would have played around with it once or twice and been done with it; paying a premium for a feature I'd hardly use because of the performance hit =- well, that's how I'd feel about it.
You can still get the RTX 2060 if you wish to try out the RTX feature. Whether you'll be happy with it afterwards...
What do you think will look better:
-a ray traced game running subpar 60fps at 1080p
-that same game running 60+fps at 1440p via resolution scaling? A Ryzen 3600 + RX 5700 can definitely run 1440p.

As for performance, RX 5700 directly competes with the 2060 Super, and RX 5700XT with 2070 Super.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sse7IQw6sio

 

[RakaZet]

Don't leave out the MAX in the name, it's important.
-a little more affordable than the Steel Legend
-supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box without having to deal with the bios update shenanigans that less informed people tend to run into. The Steel Legend does not, unless you are able to contact a store rep to update the bios before shipping it to you?

Yes I can make sure they update the BIOS first, they're pretty reputable here. Is it fine if I choose the Steel Legend instead?

 

[RakaZet]

The ray tracing is but a half-assed implementation, and the performance impact is just too harsh on the majority of systems. You'd need like a 2080 or 2080Ti just to maintain 60fps on 1080p!

Then there's the premium tax Nvidia has slapped on these RTX gpus because:
-it's innovative(it's not, it's been around, just not in a gpu yet)
-they did it first(they didn't)

I would have played around with it once or twice and been done with it; paying a premium for a feature I'd hardly use because of the performance hit =- well, that's how I'd feel about it.
You can still get the RTX 2060 if you wish to try out the RTX feature. Whether you'll be happy with it afterwards...
What do you think will look better:
-a ray traced game running subpar 60fps at 1080p
-that same game running 60+fps at 1440p via resolution scaling? A Ryzen 3600 + RX 5700 can definitely run 1440p.

As for performance, RX 5700 directly competes with the 2060 Super, and RX 5700XT with 2070 Super.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sse7IQw6sio

I'm only planning to get a 1080p 144Hz monitor, I don't think I'm looking for a 1440p capable pc GPU. What is resolution scaling? And isn't the RTX 2060 capable of staying at 60 fps using rtx on games like Battlefield?