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Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.
 
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It depends on the velocity. For low speeds, an elliptical front profile with a tapered rear (effectively tear-drop shaped) does experience the least drag. Supersonic and transonic are a bit more complicated though.
 
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So your an engineer? Are you interested in designing new planes or missiles when you graduate or anything? Here in Huntsville we are swarming with engineers b/c of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, the Army, and many others... lol. Anyways Iv'e always thought that airplanes seriously need a new design, I mean how long has that tube designed been used?
 
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it gets to be real boring and monotonous.

you would think people would use the tear drop shape right now for less drag, the fastest commercial plane is under supersonic for sure, i understand the needle point design for fighters but commercial airlines should look to make new designs
 
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I'm not destroying its possibilities. I am just stating that there is in now way that Fusion will replace the low end GPU market unless AMD is stupid enough to only put their low end GPUs in Fusion and leave their mid-extreme end as discrete. You know for a fact that nVidia would dominate them by cutting the costs for a better low end discrete that the only people who would buy a Fusion would be businesses who will probably still go for a Intel IGP/CPU solution since it will probably be cheaper than AMDs Fusion anyways.

I do love my 4870. Hell I loved my 2900 even though a 8800 constantly beat it until the drivers got better. But even so it still sucked watching ATI go from a great competative company to a screw up. 5 gens worth of great GPUs to just fail all of the sudden after AMD bought them. Makes me wonder. But still both the 2900 and 4870 were $150. Better than nV could do.

My point is that Fusion will probably throw around AMDs current IGP performance. Great. not really anything to gawk at since even the low end HD5K series outperforms my 2900 by a lot. It wont replace the low end. It will replace the IGP from the chipset and then next thing we know AMD and Intel will have a SoC for laptops and low end machines further reducing costs and possibly opening a low end gaming market. But I doubt it will get more people into hardcore gaming.

BTW, you can't use the 1 in 8 for gaming. That probably includes the people who play the games like Bejeweled that can run on even an age old IGP from either side.



Right now I give a lot of credit to Intel. They have one hell of a CPU in their hands. AMD deserves a lot of cred too for K8. What I hate though are the ones who consitently try to twist every little thing.

Basically those who state EVERY benchmark that shows Intel in the lead is either rigged, paid for or false. Then when they get one for AMD claim AMD is the better one. Its sad. Its like that all the time. Even when AMD is better. Hell low end AMD beats Intel easily and probably will for a while. But high end right now is owned by intel, something some people can't stand for some reason.


Same people think them buying AMD makes them a better person because AMD is not corrupt. Yet they forget to look at all the companies they buy other products from and how corrupt those companies are.



As I said up top. Look at every company you buy products from. Wal Mart, Coke, Pepsi. There is no way you can justify not ever buying or respecting Intel if you take the whole anti-trust matter seriously because you will see that almost every company you buy from is just as bad. McDonalds has a exclusive deal with Coke. KFC, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell are owned by epsi. Thats why you NEVER see anything but those products in the stores.

And as for the "global" anti-trust, I still can't take the EU one seriously. After what they did to Microsoft, and they plan to go after Windows Media Player next BTW, their whole investigation into Intel is a scam. Not to mention they had the worst country leading the prosecution: Germany. Where is AMDs main FAB? Germany. Talk about messed up. Thats like allowing the murder victims spouse or parent be the judge.

The US is another one. NY AG starts it because he wants to run for office and probably because AMD plans a FAB in NY. Factor all that in and you can see that even the anti-trust cases themsleves are filled with wrong reasons and corruption.

The NYAG did it for good intentions my ass. Same with the EU. Fill our pockets please and make me a powerful political figure.



Actually they tend to use the same thing we consumers get but they tend to go with the non high end server chips and the FireGL/Quadro GPUs. You can buy one but they run very high in price.



Phenom II improved a lot. Problem is that it only improved to what Phenom should have been: full competition for C2Q 65/45nm. Its good vs Nehalem but only really in gaming. Anything else its not able to keep up. And since gaming itself is not the core of CPUs sales it doesn't help to play second string.

Don't forget Intels roadmap. They have a lot coming up too. In fact some ahead of schedule. Hell I can't wait to see them get Atom to the small enough size to be in cell phones. Currently a DROID only runs with a 600MHz processor. 1.4GHz in a cell would be nice along with GMA (well Core i3 GMA) graphics. Mobile fun center.



Actually Spintel only came about during the K8 days where Intel fanboys would consitently spin anything to their means to look good. Kinda like what AMDZoners do or the AMD fanboys do. I think they only two things during K8 that Intel had that was worth while was the Pentium D 805 OCed (equivalent to say a Phenom II X3 720BE unlocked) and the Pentium M which is where Core and Core 2 came from.



AMD does this too. Every company does it when they are on top. Its just business. You rule the high end, charge more. Make more money for the same CPU. Thats how they roll.

Of course the Core i7 EE chips do have a 6.4GHz QPI vs a 4.8GHz but it wont help in anything but memory intensive apps.
 
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1 thing everyone is overlooking, as far as gaming goes, consoles.

Consoles are the deciding factor here, whether we PC gamers like it or not. When a dev makes a game, it has to make it to the lowest common denominator, Since the low end discrete is condidered this low end now, but theyre basically done on 2 gens back, add in 1 more node shrink, move 2 gens ahead, HKMG and a situation where we currently have things like Physx and Eyefinity coming out, which are things that make the gpu work harder, since games have becomeless a demand on the gpus as they improve, and the newer consoles wont be out til 2012 at the earliest, this is when itll happen, as in low powered situations, meaning 28nm, HKMG and just catching up generation wise, it only makes sense, as cumpute power for average Joe is already "good" enough, and the market for gfx can be exploited beyond discrete, or in a fusion type of scenario.

Intels coming out soon with their IGPs, people working directly for them, in the know are spouting their increased abilities, as Intel too sees this, and IMHO, is why Intels worked sooo hard delaying this ability in netbooks til their solution arrives. Just a few thoughts to consider as to why Im saying what Im saying, and if you dispute my analysist on consoles,HKMG, nodes and generations, speak up, but ultimately, thisis happening now, and will be seen shortly, first by Intel, but going from so low, it wont be alot, whereas AMD is a;ready 2-3x better, and bumping the same amount will give them todays low/mid perf in discrete, or a 4670+, which can play almost all games in lower res

Finally, costs wont be higher, as size is a current tradeoff, going from 55nm to 28nm, plus HKMG, low power/same cost, 4x current perf
 
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hmmm - that's a nice definition; however I am thinking it really needs some notion of refusal to utter the actual scummy word itself.

You def. seems to describe my notion of the sdf - real or imagined spintel devel forum - in which such tripe as 'wannabe' are proclaimed to the high heavens. The tactic of the in advance paper launch, supported by - you guessed it - paper; and, of course, utterly psychotic neurolinguistic programming which is absorbed by the weak of mind (intended) and thereby proclaimed (second hand), this time not to the high heavens, but to the idiot masses, who, in turn, tell their friends, and, worse, spread infinite fud on forums, such as this one, in excess, esp. on this one; and all this as I see the tactic, and it's future (herein revealed) because I know the tactic of touching the psychotic element in the fear-ridden public. (such weaponry is easily acquired and predicted effective thru market surveys that the idiot masses themselves participate in (for no pay)).

And the unforeseen, to most, was recently made transparent, to some, by the announcement, that after millions, supposedly, was spent on the proposed piece of paper, or did it go to rebates 😴 , the project was shelved, or whatever; and yet, might, maybe, perhaps, who cares, reappear, as a convenient expense voucher, at another time, or another place; only to fall on it's face again. (conveniently hidden thru NDA)

However, the idiot vulnerable masses needed to be reinforced in their belied that the spinner was still all powerful and infinitely capable of pulling a rabbit from any hat, at will - or some similar notion to instill ongoing confidence, even as it became progressively more difficult to hide the simple childishly simple fact that spintel has no grafx; and perhaps merely needed an excuse to inconvenience the trust of nvidiot, while appearing to be oh so gracious as to actually utilize AMD grafx in cases where it mattered.

spintel - spin tel - lie about lies - tel us a story spintel spinside.

(spit)

You would do well to incorporate the infinite abuse notion in the definition; perhaps it is implicit; but people, despite all the articles of gathered EVIDENCE, still don't quite appreciate how the pretty world we live in has been ravaged; don't get that actual suffering supports the PIG; don't get that we don't really know how we have been harmed.

What is more important is that with the pathetic king of antitrust revealed, exposed, disgraced, and abandoned, we can all experience something of appreciation, including ourselves, and in that way, prosper in a healthy manner.

And even then, some of the darkside hoards will support what they can't admit abuses them still.
 
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@jimi smitty
you think the huge mass of evidence against spintel is a scam?
They have already been busted 4 times. On the global scene. Somehow your opinion seems somewhat diminutive.

The article that lists the rebate evidence for NY CASE is reallt a good read - you should read that before you insist on illustrating your opinion further - I mean, ya know, you don't want to make yourself look bad. I wouldn't even want to see that. 😀

The GORY DETAILS
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2355462,00.asp

If this were a painting, it would be a van gogh.
 
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Teardrop would not be the ideal shape for airliners unless you want them to fly quite a bit slower than they already do. In addtition, it is the lowest drag shape, but not necessarily the highest lift to drag (the important consideration for airplane design). For supersonic flight, the pointy design is the best (the concorde and SR-71 are good examples of airplanes highly optimized for supersonic flight, as they actually cruised at supersonic speed, unlike most fighters). For subsonic flight, the airplanes we have right now are actually pretty good, and perhaps the best design, the blended wing body, has been rejected for other reasons (specifically, the fact that it would have relatively few windows and a relatively wide passenger compartment, which causes problems both with evacuation in the case of an emergency and with passenger comfort).

Here's a concept of the blended wing body - this is about as efficient as a (subsonic) airliner will get:

http://joshinthecity.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/bwblarge.jpg

Oh, and as long as people are unwilling to pay a significant amount more for the speed, we won't have another supersonic airliner. The fuel usage is MUCH higher, and the operating cost is tremendous when compared to a high-efficiency subsonic airplane. In addition, the sonic booms are a problem when flying over any inhabited areas.
 
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Oh no. I can't stand it when people quote bananatek as a reference. Talk about pro-spintel, and antiAMD. I won't even go there.

And what's reallly funny, funner, and funniest, is that benchmarks are now well known to be completely unreliable - since it is known that genrally they are hand picked to make spintel seeeemm superior and leet; but especially now since most are compiled with spintel's now very famous spintel compiler - aka the DEFECTIVE compiler.

That means the benchmarks and the tremendous archives of them on so many sites, are ALL irrelevent and meaningless and very probably simply tools to make AMD look bad.

Until the FTC's demands are met, and the compiler fixed, and the software made with the defective compiler are recompiled, etc. etc etc - all of that info is HIGHLY SUSPECT as simply part of the anticompetitive sleeze of spintel.

And that means bananatek has nothing of significance to offer me - which I had already concluded - but now, it's VERY serious.
 
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Ideally, I'd like to design launch vehicles for satellites, but I love aircraft too. As for new designs, there are some fairly radical changes in the latest generation of commercial airliners. They still use the standard tube+wings shape (in many cases due to practical considerations), but on the Boeing 787 (which just had its first flight last month), they're using carbon fiber for over 50% of the structure, and they have some interesting aerodynamic changes (especially with the engines) compared to older designs that make it significantly quieter and more efficient than previous designs. It might scare some passengers initially with the wing flex though...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/1628707/L/&sid=274c9a7e24663b8cabb0baf03633fafe
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/1570859/L/&sid=274c9a7e24663b8cabb0baf03633fafe
 
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I think also the AMD hate has been engineered deliberately. On a foundation of lies, discreditation, and sabotage. And this reinforced by socalled great marketing, emphasis on unfair benchmarks, and bombardment through propaganda and the spreading of a leet point of view which had no basis in reality - cos none of it was real. Indeed, it is all suspect at this point - and I hope we get to see tons of details on how it was enacted deliberately.

spintel only had to do this if they knew their products were/are inferior. Great products succeed through word of mouth; you can't keep a good thing down.

this is huge

this is not going to just fade away.
 
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Anandtech is easily one of the best, if not the best review site for computer componentry.

And what's reallly funny, funner, and funniest, is that benchmarks are now well known to be completely unreliable - since it is known that genrally they are hand picked to make spintel seeeemm superior and leet; but especially now since most are compiled with spintel's now very famous spintel compiler - aka the DEFECTIVE compiler.
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This is nonsense, where is it mentioned that all the benchmarks are done with the Intel compiler?

That means the benchmarks and the tremendous archives of them on so many sites, are ALL irrelevent and meaningless and very probably simply tools to make AMD look bad.
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Yeah benchmarks ceased to matter the day Conroe came out. :lol:

 
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Well, ask any programmer what compiler is used more than any other.

The implications of DEFECTIVE compiler are ENORMOUS. And the FTC wants spintel to fix it, compensate for all companies who used it unknowingly, and issue a public statement.

that is hilarious.

get used to it.

tip of the iceberg

doomed

I can see it all now - spintel saying they were bad boys in public - but they will spin it, just watch.

hahahahaha
 
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Here's another good link - more of a summary version.

Intel Forced to Remove [Cripple AMD] Function from Compiler


http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/Intel_Forced_to_Remove_Cripple_AMD_Function_from_Compiler_


Check the comments section - that's a laugh

- these guys are all programmers - pretty hard to fool them.


- all programmers - except one lil spinner fanboy trying to intimidate them
- but they aren't buying it.
 
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1. MSVC, 2. GCC, 3. Intel's

The implications of DEFECTIVE compiler are ENORMOUS. And the FTC wants spintel to fix it, compensate for all companies who used it unknowingly, and issue a public statement.

that is hilarious.

get used to it.

tip of the iceberg

doomed

I can see it all now - spintel saying they were bad boys in public - but they will spin it, just watch.

hahahahaha
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Your interpretation of events is so off the planet it is not funny.
 
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OIC
well pardon me

Perhaps you could issue a better interpretation of the facts, which are public knowledge, and maybe even link us all to more accurate information.

Perhaps you are just real smart.

Speak up.

We are all awaiting your source of great news.

You don't really believe that spintel would ensure that all the benchmarks are spintel DEFECTIVE compiled???? Maybe only MOST OF THEM????
I suppose there's a source somewhere who could research and report just how ENORMOUS the problem is, and maybe how costly it could be, and maybe how funny those criminals would look with their pants down trying to look good and sound good????

doomed
.

but I await your accurate information - proceed.

(walks away to the sound of babbling nonsense - again.)

later

sigh
 
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Actually its a well known fact that the NY AG wants to run for office and that NY is the next place where AMD planned a FAB and I think GF plans one too. Thats why I laugh at it. The AG is using it as a way to bolister his figure to the people of NY by coming down hard on a big corporation but what he really cares about is the vote. Thats like the reason McCain went Palin, he wanted the female vote.

And since there is a FAB being planned there alone makes it suspicious. I still stand with the EU. Not sure about Japan since they are not as PC happy as we are.



Well I guess Intel should make and compile all the programs for AMD as well. I mean hell making a compiler designed for your CPUs. Thats a bad thing.

Well in intels next CPU they will have a new function set, AES I believe. And when it gives a nice performance boost will Intle have to give it to AMD as well or will AMD actually do some work?

Personally since AMD seems to not want to work with programmers or devs at all I think its their loss. Hell its funny how few people react to the link I posted. Its funny because it shows a lot that people don't want to see about AMD.

Meh this thread is useless.

BTW, anyone else notice how jennyh leaves and sigh2Q reappears????
 
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All AMD hate because Intel is a catchy name and it sounds technological to all the non tech educated people but when they hear AMD they're like "wtf is AMD? a type of something transmitted disease?"

I like both Intel and AMD.

AMD:
-Cheaper
-Best Money/Performance ratio
-Good Overclocker

Intel:
-Best Quality
-A little more expensive
-Best line of chips out atm? (i7)
-Good Overclocker

So basically if your wallet is almost empty, go for AMD you can't go wrong.
Other than that save up for an Intel build.
 
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I'm not disputing that the FTC are looking into Intel's activities, I'm just disputing that this is going to result in an outcome that is some kind of game changer.

You don't really believe that spintel would ensure that all the benchmarks are spintel DEFECTIVE compiled???? Maybe only MOST OF THEM????
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Just astonishing that you think Intel is so omnipotent that they can rig every benchmark, even those exact same benchmarks which AMD use to dominate on.

And as you are the one claiming that all these benchmarks are done with the Intel compiler, it is up to you to prove this, not me to disprove it.

But what I find amazing from the AMDroid drivel about benchmark rorting, is that you have hundreds if not thousands of computer users whose own benching shows Intel giving AMD an arse whooping, yet this is always blithely ignored by the Green Kool Aid drinking ignoramuses.

 
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