Why all the AMD hate, guys?

[werxen]

Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.

 

[randomizer]

I don't support AMD, and I don't support Intel. Why do multi-billion-dollar corporations which care nothing for me need my support? Why do they need support from any anonymous Internet user? They can hire lawyers to support them.

 

[yannifb]

I don't support AMD, and I don't support Intel. Why do multi-billion-dollar corporations which care nothing for me need my support? Why do they need support from any anonymous Internet user? They can hire lawyers to support them.

Because they never know when i will unleash my destruction upon them. Keeping me in their favor ensures survival.

 

[jimmysmitty]

OJ was tried in 2 courts, even when found not guilty in the first one.
It doesnt work that way at all, as the judges cant be swayed with Intels current actions, only their past actions, and same goes to findings in other courts, unless theres exceptions, which are rare

You realize that the OJ courts were two completely different thigns, right? After the judicial court found OJ innocent he could easily go around saying he did it and cannot be retried. In the US you cannot be tried for the same thing twice so AMD cannot go to a different court level and do a lawsuit for the same thing. The second trial for OJ was done by his late wifes parents who sued him for the death of their daughter and won. It was saying he did it, more like he let it happen or whatever and they got everything he had.

And in the actual settlement with Intel and AMD they are to drop any and all complaints, that means if they do bring it up again it breaks the settlement. Kinda like if you sue a company for something, they pay you to shut up and you bring it up again. What AMD signed is as good as a contract and iron clad. They know this. You however seem to forget this.

And as for a public lawsuit, I find those idiodic. I got one for the one vs Microsoft and was pissed. They were suing MS for all the wrong reasons: MONEY. They didn't care about the case or what happened or anything. Just the money.

 

[jimmysmitty]

I think when it's something this big then you can't just pay off judges no.

It's global now. If intel are found innocent in the US after being found guilty in Japan, Korea and the EU...the US cannot afford that to happen.

Just how much damage will intel be allowed to do? It would be much better to make a harsh example of them right now because anything else just gives free reign to others with the same ideas.

Sorry but when does the US have to do a damn thing to impress the world? Personally I don't give a crap what the world thinks of us. They all sensationalize everything bad yet forget that the US sends billions upon billions to help them every year. I personally think the US should stop that and reinvest it into ourselves but then we would be hated even more.

If there is no real way to convict intel or if the FTC just wants to set up new rules, thats their decision. Japan, S. Korea and the EU are each different. Hell in Japan and S. Korea they were not for all the same thing as the EU.

I personally wouldn't mind Intel being harshly punished into a small company again. Then AMD will become the global dominant CPU maker and will be able to show you their true colors as a company who sees you as a wallet. Then again they do that already.

 

[werxen]

Wow... Just wow guys. Talking about things you have no real knowledge about is just moronic.

 

[yannifb]

So jimmysmitty why are you so viciously defending intel again?

 

[jimmysmitty]

So jimmysmitty why are you so viciously defending intel again?

I am actually pointing out more facts. I don't care either way. Personally I hate those who think AMD cares about consumers. No company does.

Lets put it this way: I defend Ford because I like their cars. I love my 99 Contour. Never had a problem with it. My family hasn't either. But does that mean Ford cares for me as a consumer? Absolutely not.

But I think the one thing I hate the most is the amount of people who will go out of their way to twist anything into a anti-Intel situation. Almost every thread on anything with Intel that starts as a discussion eventually goes into a "you are all wrong, Intel is evil" blah freakin blah......

 

[yannifb]

I am actually pointing out more facts. I don't care either way. Personally I hate those who think AMD cares about consumers. No company does.

Lets put it this way: I defend Ford because I like their cars. I love my 99 Contour. Never had a problem with it. My family hasn't either. But does that mean Ford cares for me as a consumer? Absolutely not.

But I think the one thing I hate the most is the amount of people who will go out of their way to twist anything into a anti-Intel situation. Almost every thread on anything with Intel that starts as a discussion eventually goes into a "you are all wrong, Intel is evil" blah freakin blah......

Ok i see where you get off, but honestly im getting annoyed by the fact that people like that Psycho something guy always jump to the conclusion that anyone wishing to discuss upcoming AMD tech is giving the finger to Intel. If someone doesnt attack intel don't attack them.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Ok i see where you get off, but honestly im getting annoyed by the fact that people like that Psycho something guy always jump to the conclusion that anyone wishing to discuss upcoming AMD tech is giving the finger to Intel. If someone doesnt attack intel don't attack them.

I agree. It goes both ways. Thats why my first post in this thread was for both anti Intel and anti AMD.

 

[werxen]

We all agree we hate computers! Yay!

 

[ElMoIsEviL]

Im thinking most here dont think AMD is anything but another company, and one thats been severly effected by illegal activities by another company, and now its time to pay up, and some dont like that, because its THEM who hold Intel that high, which is unfortunate on both counts
Time to get rid of Otellini

Why get rid of Otellini?

The illegal activities, of which you speak, transpired under Craig Barett (former CEO and Chairman of Intel Corp).

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

You realize that the OJ courts were two completely different thigns, right? After the judicial court found OJ innocent he could easily go around saying he did it and cannot be retried. In the US you cannot be tried for the same thing twice so AMD cannot go to a different court level and do a lawsuit for the same thing. The second trial for OJ was done by his late wifes parents who sued him for the death of their daughter and won. It was saying he did it, more like he let it happen or whatever and they got everything he had.

And in the actual settlement with Intel and AMD they are to drop any and all complaints, that means if they do bring it up again it breaks the settlement. Kinda like if you sue a company for something, they pay you to shut up and you bring it up again. What AMD signed is as good as a contract and iron clad. They know this. You however seem to forget this.

And as for a public lawsuit, I find those idiodic. I got one for the one vs Microsoft and was pissed. They were suing MS for all the wrong reasons: MONEY. They didn't care about the case or what happened or anything. Just the money.

If AMD doesnt comply with the FTCs investigation, whether its emails or any other proofs, then theyre in contempt of court, same with Dell, HP etc, so yes, AMD will play a part in this.
You get subpoenaed you comply, end of story.

@ Elmo
Surely you remember Otellinis comments about Dell etc on his dealings with all this? Re read the PDF, its all there
The one I remember most is Otellinis comments on Michael Dell where he says "hes the best driend money can buy"

 

[jimmysmitty]

If AMD doesnt comply with the FTCs investigation, whether its emails or any other proofs, then theyre in contempt of court, same with Dell, HP etc, so yes, AMD will play a part in this.
You get subpoenaed you comply, end of story.

@ Elmo
Surely you remember Otellinis comments about Dell etc on his dealings with all this? Re read the PDF, its all there
The one I remember most is Otellinis comments on Michael Dell where he says "hes the best driend money can buy"

But thats different from Intel having to pay again. Thats different from AMD pulling another court case. In fact that has nothing t do with what you said.

The FTC investigation is not even a court matter.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Then explain this headline?

The Federal Trade Commission Sues Processor Manufacturer Intel
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/6983/
"Intel has engaged in a deliberate campaign to hamstring competitive threats to its monopoly," said Richard A. Feinstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Competition. "It's been running roughshod over the principles of fair play and the laws protecting competition on the merits. The Commission's action today seeks to remedy the damage that Intel has done to competition, innovation, and, ultimately, the American consumer."

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/12/intel.shtm

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Maybe youre getting confused here?
Im not saying AMD will recieve any more monies, unless somehow the FTC decides it so, but that wasnt what I was saying.
I was refering solely to whatever the FTC and the state of NY will do to Intel, which could decide on some compensations to AMD, as its within their power to do so, but I never even mentioned this until now

 

[werxen]

Then explain this headline?

The Federal Trade Commission Sues Processor Manufacturer Intel
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/6983/
"Intel has engaged in a deliberate campaign to hamstring competitive threats to its monopoly," said Richard A. Feinstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Competition. "It's been running roughshod over the principles of fair play and the laws protecting competition on the merits. The Commission's action today seeks to remedy the damage that Intel has done to competition, innovation, and, ultimately, the American consumer."

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/12/intel.shtm

What is funny is that whole concept of regulating business goes against all ideas of capitalism. Just some philosophy.

 

[jennyh]

With regulations, the biggest will always win. Always.

 

[werxen]

I think you have it backwards, jennyh.

 

[jennyh]

Yes sorry i meant without lol 😛

 

[randomizer]

I disagree.

 

[werxen]

And...? Is there a finishing thought or just an opinion lol.

 

[randomizer]

Absolutely, you see <Censored by the Australian Government>.

That is why I disagree.

 

[Kewlx25]

I've always been biased positively towards Intel, but AMD has always mad a great product. I've always liked Intel because of their advanced fabs and overclockability, low voltages, and low heat. Ignoring the P4(space heater) atleast.

AMD is doing well with what they have right now and have pushed the K10 arch really far, but the i7 just has more potential being a new arch. I personally can't wait for the Bulldozer because around that time I should be looking at upgrading a few parts and I would love to see a price war around that time. I may even go wtih the AMD at that time because the Bulldozer sounds like it will finally directly compete with hyper threading for reducing power usage while increasing performance

 

[Kewlx25]

and your point is ....
http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=2553
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2152458,00.asp

CPUs are very complex and humans make mistakes. Like you pointed out, Intel is not immune to micro code bugs just like AMD.

Don't you wish people stopped pointing those out?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I've always been biased positively towards Intel, but AMD has always mad a great product. I've always liked Intel because of their advanced fabs and overclockability, low voltages, and low heat. Ignoring the P4(space heater) atleast.

AMD is doing well with what they have right now and have pushed the K10 arch really far, but the i7 just has more potential being a new arch. I personally can't wait for the Bulldozer because around that time I should be looking at upgrading a few parts and I would love to see a price war around that time. I may even go wtih the AMD at that time because the Bulldozer sounds like it will finally directly compete with hyper threading for reducing power usage while increasing performance

Agreed 100%.
Ive owned both, felt satisfaction with both, and Intel currently is in the lead, no doubt, but like you I too look forwards to BD, see how their gpu approach works on die vs the conventional cpu only aapproach Intel is taking, funtimes ahead indeed.
Because of the many times Ive spoken for AMD, it doesnt mean I dont acknowledge how good Intels cpus are, but often when you do speak up for AMD you get labeled.
While Ive also spoken against Intel, Ive never been unable to accept AMDs failures, and sometimes their lower perf increases etc, but try to put it in some kind of perspective for those who just wont look..
Ive spoken against LRB as a gfx solution, for various reasons, and am still skeptical as to its final solution for gpu/game usage, but Im looking forwards to its gpgpu abilities.
My main problem with LRB is, unless it performs in a conventional way well, it wont be a gfx card solution, and unless it performs extremely well in its own particular way, itll never make market, and that means extremes, such as programming, complete libs and engines, design wins for devs, etc with an extreme in perf, a tough nut to crack.
Having said all this, if AMDs future chips are fantastic, I know itll only push Intel harder, and we, the consumers of both products benefit in the end