Why all the AMD hate, guys?

[werxen]

Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.

 

[cjl]

For that price, it is hard to beat the Athlon II 630, yes. I'll be curious to see Intel's i3 and 32nm i5 line come out soon though - that should be in a similar price range for at least some of the models.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Looks like the 540 does well against eh x3, but the IGP is crap.
Check out driver heaven

 

[verndewd]

for the record this entire fanboi hate thing is simply a programmed societal intolerance , and you are either deconstructing it in your life or youre a subject to it. Its not just an AMD Intel issue, its a global epidemic that takes humanity and throws it into the trash.

 

[Reynod]

/ vern takes humanity out of the garbage ... scrubs it vigorously (of course) ... puts it back into the play pen ... ponders reprogramming with more forceful techniques?

 

[yannifb]

Paging Dr. ******.... Dr. ******

You paged?

 

[Upendra09]

Yes there is a mad rabid fanboi out in the parking lot

 

[yannifb]

Yes there is a mad rabid fanboi out in the parking lot

Im taking care of it.

 

[jimmysmitty]

What is funny is that whole concept of regulating business goes against all ideas of capitalism. Just some philosophy.

I point that out but its shot down. I think certain things need regulation such as banks because thats worse than anything AMD or Intel can do. Thats your very livelyhood. But in other markets it wont work with capitalism.

But then again its not fair that the little guy this and that.

Absolutely, you see <Censored by the Australian Government>.

That is why I disagree.

LMFAO.

We love you random.

Who else here feels 2010 will be a very interesting year for computers?

I do. possibility of Intel advancing 48 core or 80 core desktop CPUs. that sounds really cool.

Not sure if AMD has anything like that planned though. It gets foggy beyond BD>......

Why don't you think BD won't be anything special? Its a completely new arch and looks very impressive. IMO its going to be a lot better than the i7 6 core (there is no 7 core btw) and will probably take the perf crown back for a bit. Its also has a form of SMT, so the OS will see it as 16 cores.

Problem is that BD 1. has not been tested so unless we want to see K10 hype that actually fails, lets not and 2. Intel wont be on its 6 core i7. It will have a new CPU then. A new arch in fact so we can't go saying anything until we see some benchies.

Can't wait for them. And then all the people saying its biased and paid for by intel..... I think 2010 will be just like 2009. Intel paying them, people beating the same drum about LRB and such.....

woah i don't celebrate christmas, this is offensive

Christmas is not only about the religion its based on. Its a time of year to spend time with your family and loved ones, something a lot of people forget about. Most kids worry about gifts. Most adults worry about sales.

it seems these days, family comes last almost all the time.

Looks like the 540 does well against eh x3, but the IGP is crap.
Check out driver heaven

Awwww..... oh wait, this just in:

The average consumer still doesn't give a flying duck about the IGP. It plays DVDs, Youtube, DivX. it runs MS Office, Windows 7, iTunesand the other normal stuff. It plays basic games and even some decent graphical games.

JDJ, you of all need to realize this:

We are enthusiasts. of course we will hate IGPs. The average consumer though, they rarely give a crap about a high end PC with a good GPU. They have the Wii, 360 and PS3 for that.

What we see is not what they see.

 

[yomamafor1]

Exactly. Apparently to a lot of forum users here, they believe IGP performance alone will change the purchasing decision of regular consumers. In reality, regular consumers don't give a rat's arse about IGP performance. Like jimmy said, if the whole platform is cheaper, can run Aero, go on youtube, as well as social sites, they will put their money down. So what if they can run Crysis at 20FPS as opposed to 10FPS at 640 x 480? So what if they can play HL2 at 800 x 600, while Intel's IGP fails horribly? That's missing the point of IGP.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Well, this may or may not be true.
I know this, we will have a chance to find out, and if Intel brings their IGP as their SoC solution vs fusion, time will tell.
If they up their ability be x3, then all this "no one cares" is bull

 

[Upendra09]

hey what happened to TC? I miss his arguments with Jennyh

 

[Hellboy]

hey what happened to TC? I miss his arguments with Jennyh

He realized that computers are boring, got a child and got a life



Hey TC hows the little one comming along.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Well, this may or may not be true.
I know this, we will have a chance to find out, and if Intel brings their IGP as their SoC solution vs fusion, time will tell.
If they up their ability be x3, then all this "no one cares" is bull

The next time you find a busines or normal consumer tha plays hardcore games on a PC that does not have a discrete GPU, let me know. 99% of the people at my work have a PC for the basics. That 1% is me and a few enthusiasts who build their own PCs for gaming. And of that 99%, only a small percentage probably play games on their PC.

The normal consumer is what matters more. Of course the GPU side will appease us because thats what they do, but in IGP land its all about cheap, low power and able to do what the majrity does on a PC: MySpace/Facebook/YouTube.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

That wasnt my point.
My point is, if current IGPs are all good enough as claimed, if we see Intel increase their IGP perf by 3x, then all this talk is wrong, period, since Intel wouldnt do this unless they thought it important, and not for office apps, or all the people that dont game etc.
So, if it happens, those people were/are wrong, and if AMDs solutions comes out well, their IGP SoC, and its a seller, again, those people are wrong.
And, since we know AMD is going to do this, time will tell, thats all

 

[earl45]

That wasnt my point.
My point is, if current IGPs are all good enough as claimed, if we see Intel increase their IGP perf by 3x, then all this talk is wrong, period, since Intel wouldnt do this unless they thought it important, and not for office apps, or all the people that dont game etc.
So, if it happens, those people were/are wrong, and if AMDs solutions comes out well, their IGP SoC, and its a seller, again, those people are wrong.
And, since we know AMD is going to do this, time will tell, thats all

JDJ the fact that intel has 50% GPU market with very meager offerings prove jimmys point.

 

[Mousemonkey]

JDJ the fact that intel has 50% GPU market with very meager offerings prove jimmys point.

The problem is, they're cheap but functional and Intel know that ATi and Nvidia can do a better job if given the chance and have said as much. Hence why the FTC are looking at the Ion Vs Atom issue.

 

[jimmysmitty]

That wasnt my point.
My point is, if current IGPs are all good enough as claimed, if we see Intel increase their IGP perf by 3x, then all this talk is wrong, period, since Intel wouldnt do this unless they thought it important, and not for office apps, or all the people that dont game etc.
So, if it happens, those people were/are wrong, and if AMDs solutions comes out well, their IGP SoC, and its a seller, again, those people are wrong.
And, since we know AMD is going to do this, time will tell, thats all

Intel does want to push into the game market with IGPs. But that doesn't mean I am wrong. Intel needs to increase IGP performance even for meager games like Bejeweled and such since they will start to utilize more GPU power for effects.

I mean if Intel didn't try to increase the power then they wouldn't even be able to run XP decently.

Its like why they increase CPU power even though most quad cores from the C2Q to the Core i7 are highly under utilized and will survive for probably 2-3 more years beyond their normal.

Hardware always stays ahead of software.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

But thats my point. If it runs it good enough, why bother?
When the competition comes out strong, as is rumored by AMDs specs, Intel will either step it up, or create a 2 tier scenario, something we could and should have had all along

 

[werxen]

Either way I think IBM needs to start making consumer CPUs ;(

 

[Scotteq]

Either way I think IBM needs to start making consumer CPUs ;(

IBM have not been a PC company for years now. Their business is the (Highly Profitable!) Business to Business arena, where they leverage their hugely powerful Services arm to get into, and then expand through, medium to large corporations. IBM exist to make millions on Enterprise deals - Writing the software, Providing the Iron to run it all on, and then Parking their Consultants onsite for years and years at a time to keep it all running. All this with an eye, of course, towards taking over ever more of their customer's infrastructure and thereby expanding the relationship until it reaches the deepest levels. The goal is to make large business dependent on IBM to function, and thereby guarantee a FAT revenue stream for decades at a time.

Sam Palmisano believes that International Business Machines should be exactly that, and therefore couldn't care less about end consumers. Judging by the performance of the company, I doubt any sane observer could argue it hasn't been supremely effective.

Wanting IBM to get back into the PC business is no more than wishful thinking. At most, they'll give you the number for the Lenovo dealer nearest you. And perhaps - in exchange for a discount - ask you for the names and numbers of your CIO, your COO, and the VP's who report to them.

 

[verndewd]

Exactly. Apparently to a lot of forum users here, they believe IGP performance alone will change the purchasing decision of regular consumers. In reality, regular consumers don't give a rat's arse about IGP performance. Like jimmy said, if the whole platform is cheaper, can run Aero, go on youtube, as well as social sites, they will put their money down. So what if they can run Crysis at 20FPS as opposed to 10FPS at 640 x 480? So what if they can play HL2 at 800 x 600, while Intel's IGP fails horribly? That's missing the point of IGP.

What I know from running our website is that people dont buy unless you make sure they can see it and you need hype. There is s much critical info passing by the average sheeple cow person that its astounding. Nobody in the masses corral has a true global view. PC world is no different. you arent selling performance as much as you sell the idea of capability , and the concept of performance; and before the question arises, are the masses that apathetic? the answer is yes and more.

If it doesnt stimulate the taste buds or the genitals and other parts of the limbic area , its too much trouble, and getting past that is not worth it. People really are that simple. Learn a trade, bone on a mate, buy stupid crap to do stuff, drink , screw , eat, defocate and sleep. the various layers of pretentious regurgitation of corporate media can be wholly disregarded and mindnumbing mediocrity and insubordination to the spirit of mankind. Top it off with a nice layer of apathy and there are 90% of 7 billion barnyard morons living the exact same variation on a theme in dip shyt major.

 

[Reynod]

vern I sense some of that apathy has rubbed off ... watch out for transference.

Try not to get too involved with the humans.

Your shuttle leaves soon to go back to Magrathea.

They all get wiped out by that asteroid in a few years anyway.

No ... you can't keep any as pets.

 

[Upendra09]

DAMN, what about a fish?

 

[LoneWolf_53]

I don't hate AMD,

If anything, as a company, I rather like AMD (especially ATi). I used to work for ATi and was quite fond of the way they treated their employees. When I ran my own computer business, I ran it as an authorized AMD reseller. I found AMD to be quite the willing company. They would assist with marketing materials (banners, signs etc) as well as marketing and sale strategies.

I found AMD to be quite the good partner. By contrast, Intel was never good to us white and grey box sellers. Intel was too busy pleasing the large OEMs and seemed to ignore us small guys.

But there is a difference, to me, between Corporatism, Favoritism and the facts. The fact is that I am a performance enthusiast. I enjoy building highly overclocked rigs tweaked to perfection. This leads me to be the candidate who is the least able to be biased. I buy what performs best. Brand Loyalty is not something I strive for (in fact it's a nuisance).

What has irritated me is that certain individuals love for a brand (fanbois) have begun spreading lies and misinformation in an attempt to dupe would be buyers into supporting their favorite brand. So you have the willfully ignorant leading the ignorant into acting as mouth pieces, in forums, for all things AMD (there was a time when this fanboyism affected Intel just as well).

I despise these individuals and my fight against them leads me to sound as though I were allied with the Intel camp (this has been the case since around 2006 when the Core 2 Duo was released). Should the performance crown move from Intel to AMD... I can assure you that you will see my purchasing decisions move as well.

I am quite certain that most users are just like me in that regard.

Very well said and I completely agree.

As an avid distributed computing cruncher all I care about in the end is performance.

For quite a while I ran nothing but AMD CPU's and then all of a sudden the people running Intels were hammering me in output performance.

I switched to Intel and the scales moved back to where they'd been before.

If I'm going to use electricity then I want my PC's to produce and if they can't do it efficiently with one brand then I'll simply switch to the other.

I have no brand loyalty in that regard and realistically the fact is we need AMD to survive because in the end the competition between them and Intel benefits us in the form of lower prices.

If AMD folded we'd be paying quite a bit more for an i7 I'm guessing.

 

[NotSoSiniSter]

Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.

I agree with you, but im happy that there is hate, what would happen if AMD went bankrupt and Intel was the only major cpu maker? Unless Nvidia stepped in to save the day, we would all be screwed. AMD is great, there is a certain area where there chips are better to intels in performance to cost ratios.

AMD does not have the best CPU on the market. Thats why everyone "hates" them. They are probably waiting for it to be economically feasible/safe to let out a high end chip that will give Intel the bird. They don't want to take a chance just yet.