Why do monitering programs do this?

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Ok so why does BIOS and Task Manager performance tab give me a reading of 3.4GHz while CPU-Z, HWinFO64, Realbench, and ai suite ii programs give me 3.9GHz? I used ai suite ii to give its computer upgrade. It put cpu up to 4.1GHz but the heat was to crazy so I went into bios and hit that default button. Since then its been all screwy. I thought I was reseting to default but all I can find is a reset to optimal defaults in bios.

I would like them all to give me the same cpu speed.

If you can help, please do.
 
Solution
Yes, it is normal. See where in HWinfo it shows the minimum core speed as around 1100mhz and the maximum, and current, at around 3900mhz? That is normal.

Your BIOS snapshot looks normal too.
Desktop. I have a feeling i never should have touched that computer boost in ai suite ii.
Asus Z77-A Intel i3770 @ 3.4GHz
16Gb RAM not quite sure. DRAM frequency? If so then it looks like, according to CPU-Z, 686MHz. I would like this @ 1600 if not higher.
EVGA geforce GTX 1050 Ti FTW
Corsair CX600 I know, a rather shitty psu

Anything else?
 
You can't. Because there's 2 different things being read. You assume that bios titles and other software are reading the actual speed of the cpu, they don't. They read what the cpu IS, not what it's doing. If the base speed of your cpu is 3.4GHz (same as my i5-3570k) then that's what many programs will say it is, a 3.4GHz cpu, they don't read it as the 3.8GHz when turbo is active nor the 4.3GHz its OC'd to. Some programs like Cpu-z will show both, some show the current speed, some show the base speeds.

Usually, F5 in bios will reset the bios to factory optimized default settings, which is the default setting. Things might be screwey if you did not undo the Asus software OC, so the software is thinking one thing, bios says another, and you get conflicts.
 
I was also thinking maybe the cpu reads lower in bios cause its not doing anything, just sitting idle. Then as soon as I load up windows and start doing stuff they start reading 3.9GHz. CPU-Z jumps from 3900 down to 1600 then back up to 3900.

I'll have to try going to default settings in ai suite. Thought I did that. Maybe I dreamed that.
 
No, in the bios the CPU reads full base clock frequency. It does not reflect any turbo boost speeds and it does not reflect any power saving features such as you'd see on the desktop due to Intel speed step or AMD Cool N Quiet. Karadjgne is correct when he says that some applications will only report the base clock frequency while other programs that are meant for monitoring will actually report what the CPU frequency is in an ongoing fashion.

In the bios the CPU speed will report as the base clock frequency or whatever speed the CPU has been overclocked or configured to. In Windows, it will of course raise and lower according to demand. So it is perfectly normal.

I would however recommend that you try to revert any changes you made using AI Suite, IN AI suite, and then uninstall it. Then power off the system, turn the switch on the back of the power supply to the 0 position (Off) or unplug it, remove the CMOS battery from the motherboard for a minute or so, then put it back in (Paying attention to which side belongs up or down, in the same way it came out), plug the PSU back in or flip the switch back on, then power up and go back into the bios to reconfigure any custom fan or boot settings you might need to.

That should get things back to normal again for you.
 
I tried in ai suite to reset to OS settings. The only way i can do it is slide the cpu agjust slider back down to 3.4 as it sits at 3.9. In so doing however it states that system may become unstable. The "OS Default Setting" tab does nothing. What I did to create this mess is go into Auto Tune and pressed "Auto System Level Up!" which I am regretting.
 
There's 3 speeds in a cpu, 4 in a K version. Idle, base, turbo and OC.

Idle is EIST or Intel Speed Step etc. It's a power saving mode where the cpu decides its not doing any work and doesn't need to be running flat out. It's intentions are to reduce power usage and any resultant heat output, thereby adhering to 'Green' or European energy saving standards and hopefully prolonging the useful life of the cpu. In pre-haswell cpus speed step will drop the cpu frequency to 1600MHz.

Base speed is the actual rated speed of the cpu, as set by the cpu and Intel firmware. So for you, that'd be 3.4GHz. This info, the make, model, Lcache sizes and other firmware hardcode are on a list, not changeable or accessible other than for read purposes. Base speeds are guaranteed across all 4 cores at any load and not overheat the cpu with a stock cooler.

Turbo is a factory set OC. It's user enabled/disabled at will in bios. It's basically Intel way of saying the base speed is guaranteed, but we have enough faith in our cpu that the speed can be bumped higher. This may or may not be a viable speed as any OC will raise heat values, so turbo is pc/usage dependent. Turbo is also variable, you'll see 3.9GHz on 1 core, 2-3 will be 3.8GHz and 4 cores will be 3.6GHz as the cpu attempts to balance work loads and core heat output on the chip itself.

OC. Totally a hobby and as such it's upto the pc as to exactly what levels are or are not attainable. There's absolutely no guarantee of anything once you go past Base speeds. There's 2 ways to OC. Manually, by user manipulation of the bios or Software which is generally supplied by the mobo manufacturer. If the pc is capable of OC, limits will be set by 3 things. The cpu lottery, the motherboards capability and user knowledge. Failure of any of the 3 results in failed OC and/or instability. With software OC like the AISuite, a program is written to be applicable to the brands designs. Unfortunately it covers a wide variety of boards, it's not tailored specific to each board. My Asus p8z77-v LE uses the identical AISuite to a p8z77-v Pro, which has far better heatsinking, power control and OC ability. Software bumping the BCLK to 103.5 is no worries for either board, yet pushing the next level up at 105.7 will shut my 'light version' mobo down fast as everything goes beyond tolerances. Software will mess with any and all bios settings which a user will not know of or see changed, so unless you totally back out of the OC carefully, things will get missed and the bios will keep reverting to last known stable save.

The problems you currently face are exactly why manual OC is Always preferred, recommended vehemently etc. Software OC works, but it's more of a sales gimmick than a viable, stable platform for cpu speeds.

Cpu-z and most other programs are one-shot pictures. If you run cpu-z while at idle, you'll get back a speed of 1600MHz. If the pc is working on a load of @10-30% then it'll run at base speeds, so that's what cpu-z will show. Anything above @30% loads will show the full working speed, whether that's turbo or OC values. The only way around that is to either be under torture test when you picture, or in bios disable any and all eco settings such as speed step/EIST, cpu C-states, power phase control etc. This'll mean when the pc is on, it's always at maximum capability, no power savings, no slow down, no sleep states. There will be no idle, no load adjustment etc.
 
Seems like if you simply uninstall AI suite and reset the bios to the optimal default configuration, or completely reset the bios by temporary removal of the CMOS battery as I explained above, everything should go back to normal. If it does not, then you might need to reinstall Windows but I really doubt that will be necessary if you follow the steps and suggestions offered here.
 
Thank you both for the answers.
@darkbreeze I uninstalled ai suite and unfortunately bios gives me reading of 3422MHz while CPU-z, HWinfo still give me 3.9GHz. Im thinking best bet then would be to remove that CMOS battery. Unfortunately I see that it is tucked behind my gpu -_-
So i'll give it a try then let ya know whats going on.

I also made that adjustment in ai suite and took cpu down to 3.4, it doesnt stay there. I'll reboot pc and it'll be back at 3.9. Once I get this figured i'm not touching ai suite again.

Edit for pics. Will have to get one of bios.
http://i63.tinypic.com/qnn1c3.jpg
Hopefully it works.
Here is the BIOS
http://i63.tinypic.com/212zqsj.jpg
 
I don't think you're fully understanding what you are being told. Your CPU clock speed is NOT SUPPOSED TO STAY AT ONE FREQUENCY.

Unless you manually configure your CPU for a specific frequency, AND THEN turn off the Turbo boost features in the bios, AND THEN turn off all of the power management C states in the bios INCLUDING Intel speed step, then your CPU is not going to just sti at 3.4Ghz. It WILL increase to 3.9Ghz or whatever your maximum turbo speed is when it is under a load and it WILL decrease to a lower frequency when it does not need to be used much at all.

These monitoring programs are simply showing you WHAT THE FREQUENCY WAS at the time it took a snapshot of the system specifications and your BIOS is always going to show you ONLY what the base CPU frequency is configured to. If the CPU is at totally default settings, the BIOS is going to say it is a 3.4Ghz CPU. If you were to manually overclock the base frequency to 3.6Ghz or 4Ghz, then THAT is what the bios would should you then. Having screenshots to see what you are talking about, if you are talking about something different than what we are telling you, would be helpful.

In cases where it is relevant and you are seeking help, then in order to help you, it's often necessary to SEE what's going on, in the event one of us can pick something out that seems out of place, or other indicators that just can't be communicated via a text only post. In these cases, posting an image of the HWinfo sensors or something else can be extremely helpful. That may not be the case in YOUR thread, but if it is then the information at the following link will show you how to do that:

*How to post images in Tom's hardware forums
 
Posted pics as edit in last message.
CPUz, HWinfo and realbench

Bios ez mode.

So since turbo mode is auto in adv mode, the cpu will be doing exactly what its doing.?
If so, then I apologize for being a dumbass and wasting your time.
 


If you're going to overclock your CPU, even just a little bit, do it in the bios and spend just a little time learning HOW to do it before you do. It's really NOT all that difficult of a process. It's time consuming at the beginning because there are some trial and error processes you'll probably have to go through followed by some testing, but within a few days you'll know more than you did before, you'll have better personal control of your system and you will have a better performing machine, in most cases.

Your statement is exactly why I started creating this last week, due to a lot of similar statements I see all the time.

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-3761568/cpu-overclocking-guide-beginners-progress-complete.html

It's still a work in progress though, so if, AFTER reading through the tutorial a few times, you are stumped by something, feel free to ask questions. For the most part, anything I don't cover in there will likely have been covered hundreds of times elsewhere in more advanced overclocking tutorials.
 

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