Discussion Why do you dislike Windows 11

[Corwin65]

I've been running Windows 11 on my laptop now for about a year.
I have not had a bad experience myself with it.

I am trying to understand all these threads where people hate it and want to go back to win 7 or 10 because it's horrible.

Would some of you give specifics other than "I hate it".

I just want to see if I'm missing something.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Colif]

Why not just stick with Windows 10?

OS: DirectStorage games will work on both Windows 10 and Windows 11, but there are additional optimizations in the IO stack available to Windows 11 users, so that is our recommended choice for the best improvements.

from the article in this post

 

[alceryes]

from the article in this post

Microsoft has also said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows and, when it was released, said that gaming is faster on Windows 11. Both of these statements turned out to be inaccurate.

Again, I would wait until third party reviews confirm or refute the IO stack performance difference. Both Windows 10 and 11 run on practically the same kernel, other than the 'shiny new paint job' there's very little difference under the hood.

 

[Grobe]

I throw myself in here, even if it's only for a laptop on my workplace.

For both W10 and W11 - the nature of the start menus has made me from having most of app shortcuts via start menus before as when W7, but now I've organized it all in a 2D layout on the desktop. I don't want to see suggestion for x-box and other built-in ads. Ok, that is not really a problem, just annoying features/ads.


But the one "feature" in W11 (is a small chance it is a Dell-thing, or that only Dell has this activated initially since I haven't heard any other complain about the same) that I actually have wasted couple of work hours to figure out is this: On that Dell laptop, there are a LAN adapter, but in the lan adapters list there is also this virtual network adapter (don't remember it's exact name now, but brand is Microsoft). The factory default is that both network adapters are active, I didn't assume this would be a problem.

This is until one day I had to connect to some industry equipment via RJ45/CAT6. Initially I used the very simplified UI in W11 to set IP address on the computer. After I was cable connected, I confirmed by sending ping to the equipment I was about to configure.
But - no matter how many errors and tries, the software kept failing to connect to the device - even after flowing all instructions point to point from the manufacturer. So weird. So I wasted at least a couple of hours of no progress. Turned off Firewall didn't help either.

Until I went into control panel --> network adapters. I then found that the IP address I entered in the simplified UI in W11 actually only transfered to the virtual network adapter. Because in the simplified UI you actually cannot see what exact adapter name is affected by users changes.
The physical network adapter was still on "auto" for IP address, so no wonder the software wasn't able to communicate with the equipment.

So after deactivated virtual network adapter and set IP address on physical network adapter, the software had no issues contacting the equipment. Problem solved.

One of the features of this virtual network adapter is that setting a static IP address on it, make it possible to ping other network devices. And it would probably have worked for most home users on cable connection, but as soon you throw in other software that does other than regular network traffic, that may not work.

 

[hotaru.hino]

Microsoft has also said that Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows

I just wanted to pick on this since I keep seeing it: https://www.pcworld.com/article/394...ows-11-if-windows-10-is-the-last-windows.html

It was said by a "Product Evangelist" at some developer's conference on a whim, and extra context is probably needed to even understand what was meant. My take is it's the last version of Windows to be developed on the traditional model Microsoft used in the past: spend 3-5+ years on a major OS release, with a service pack or two to address mid-life upgrades that could be done.

It was also never an officially stated policy.

 

[alceryes]

I just wanted to pick on this since I keep seeing it: https://www.pcworld.com/article/394...ows-11-if-windows-10-is-the-last-windows.html

It was said by a "Product Evangelist" at some developer's conference on a whim, and extra context is probably needed to even understand what was meant. My take is it's the last version of Windows to be developed on the traditional model Microsoft used in the past: spend 3-5+ years on a major OS release, with a service pack or two to address mid-life upgrades that could be done.

It was also never an officially stated policy.

It was spoken by a developer who was scheduled to speak at a Microsoft conference - at that point he IS Microsoft. Also, when the industry reached out to Microsoft, specifically on the comment about Windows 10 being the 'last version', Microsoft purposefully did NOT deny it.
Here's an article (published around the time of the statement) that spins the story differently than the one you posted -
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
There are dozens of such articles around the wwws.

My point is that Microsoft has stated things, in the past, that turn out to not be true. Microsoft has a reason for touting Windows 11 and saying things to get you to upgrade/move to Windows 11. It may turn out the the IO stack has some reworking making it faster, but I will wait for unbiased reviews on the subject. Especially since IO is pretty close to the kernel and, as you know, Windows 10 and 11 kernels are practically the same.

 

[hotaru.hino]

It was spoken by a developer who was scheduled to speak at a Microsoft conference - at that point he IS Microsoft. Also, when the industry reached out to Microsoft, specifically on the comment about Windows 10 being the 'last version', Microsoft purposefully did NOT deny it.
Here's an article (published around the time of the statement) that spins the story differently than the one you posted -
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows
There are dozens of such articles around the wwws.

My point is that Microsoft has stated things, in the past, that turn out to not be true. Microsoft has a reason for touting Windows 11 and saying things to get you to upgrade/move to Windows 11. It may turn out the the IO stack has some reworking making it faster, but I will wait for unbiased reviews on the subject. Especially since IO is pretty close to the kernel and, as you know, Windows 10 and 11 kernels are practically the same.

Not denying something doesn't imply that it's true or that the public's interpretation of what was said is also true.

Again we don't have much context into why that phrase was said and as far as I know, nobody pressed the person who said it what they really meant.

Also the article you linked bolsters my interpretation of what "the last version of Windows" means: Microsoft was abandoning the traditional way they were developing Windows. Not that Windows was going to remain from then on out "Windows 10" or the version number was going to remain the same. The article even says Microsoft says the comment wasn't about future branding.

And really, version numbering is a crapshoot anyway. Linux's policy on when the major version number gets incremented is literally whenever Torvalds feels like the minor number has gotten far enough

 

[alceryes]

Not denying something doesn't imply that it's true or that the public's interpretation of what was said is also true.

Again we don't have much context into why that phrase was said and as far as I know, nobody pressed the person who said it what they really meant.

Also the article you linked bolsters my interpretation of what "the last version of Windows" means: Microsoft was abandoning the traditional way they were developing Windows. Not that Windows was going to remain from then on out "Windows 10" or the version number was going to remain the same. The article even says Microsoft says the comment wasn't about future branding.

And really, version numbering is a crapshoot anyway. Linux's policy on when the major version number gets incremented is literally whenever Torvalds feels like the minor number has gotten far enough

This could go down an endless rabbit hole. 😀
It also bolsters the interpretation that Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with a 'fresh coat of paint'. Thus, getting back to my original point, I wouldn't believe the 'IO stack is faster in Windows 11' statement until it's shown to be true by unbiased reviewers.

 

[Colif]

windows 10 was just win 8 with a new coat of paint. It didn't stop people buying it.
New paint job on top every few years, incremental change under the hood that people don't notice until they look back.

 

[PsychoPsyops]

The security changes will persist and will always annoy people, as the fight with hackers is always evolving and never ending.
The GUI changes will persist and always always annoy people, as such is business. Also, many prominent companies have reached the Engineer's Dilemma.

The Engineer's Dilemma, which can be applied to both software and hardware products, is when a product or service becomes practically perfect in what it is designed to do, but is inevitably and continuously altered and tweaked over and over in order to keep selling the product or service that sells so successfully and to justify the engineer's jobs so that they are not intermediately laid off.

It is frustrating and the modern world will have to give in in order to utilize certain features and aspects, such as security and performance, that come with these unwanted changes, but such is life in capitalism.

 

[hotaru.hino]

This could go down an endless rabbit hole. 😀
It also bolsters the interpretation that Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with a 'fresh coat of paint'.

Yes we could go down forever. And also if you're going to make that argument, then I will posit every Windows since Vista is just Vista with a new skin.

Thus, getting back to my original point, I wouldn't believe the 'IO stack is faster in Windows 11' statement until it's shown to be true by unbiased reviewers.

And that's fair, but that has nothing to do with the whole "Last version of windows" argument

 

[Colif]

Yes we could go down forever. And also if you're going to make that argument, then I will posit every Windows since Vista is just Vista with a new skin.

But people loved 7 as it wasn't vista... lets not tell them

 

[Oasis Curator]

Rounded corners.

I saw a version of Windows from the Boeing documentary on Netflix that was really plain and flat.
I really liked that.

 

[alceryes]

windows 10 was just win 8 with a new coat of paint. It didn't stop people buying it.
New paint job on top every few years, incremental change under the hood that people don't notice until they look back.

From a kernel file versioning standpoint, the latest Windows 8.1 was version 6.3.9600.17031, whereas the very first release of Windows 10 was 10.0.10240.16384 . Windows 11 still shares the first part of the Windows 10 version number (10.0) and is just incrementing from there. There were some significant changes under the hood (kernel) between 8 and 10.

 

[Colif]

I know it changes underhood but most people wouldn't notice.

 

[palladin9479]

windows 10 was just win 8 with a new coat of paint. It didn't stop people buying it.
New paint job on top every few years, incremental change under the hood that people don't notice until they look back.

There was significant kernel level changes, Windows 10 kernel is much better then Windows 7, which was already pretty good. Windows 10 had a GUI that was designed for tablet / phone / kiosk usage as every industry "expert" declared "The Desktop is Dead" and that the entire world was going to be doing everything with tablets. Microsoft then packed their new tablet OS with a ton of data extracting features so they could then sell data and advertisements to third parties, all that wonderful Google money.

Once we could reliably disable that data collection and replace the tablet GUI with something more functional for desktop uses, it become wonderful to use. Windows 11 is just more of the same from Windows 10, except different data collection services and slightly different GUI. Once Windows 11 code is stabilized and third party tools work reliably, then it'll become more useful.

As for Windows Vista vs Seven, Windows Vista had some really big kernel memory management issues that could be alleviated, thought not completely fixed, by disabling ready boost and super fetch. Those issues were fixed with Windows 7, typical growing pains of a new memory management methodology.