Question Why does my screen get this effect HELP!

[elliott04]

When every my game is in motion ei me moving the camera or cutscenes i get these weird vertical sometimes appear to be diagonal lines/cuts in the screen that make the game look super blurry and not smooth its not screen tearing because i have tried all the vsync options and this issue still persists.
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[Aeacus]

What is seen from the video, is extreme ghosting.

May be monitor issue (e.g refresh rate, input lag) or system issue.

This small test is handy to detect ghosting issues,
link: https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

 

[ohio_buckeye]

Check your refresh rate. I was just setting up a new monitor last night, mine is a gigabyte, but it had an overdrive setting which wants to allow you to let the screen try to process the image more quickly I suppose. Turn that off. My screen also has an overclocking setting where it is a 165hz screen but lets you set the refresh rate to 170hz.

If I used the default gaming mode on the monitor a lot of those types of extra processing methods would have been on. So what I did to fix it basically was

1. In the monitor’s menu, use a custom setting. And turn off any kind of overclocking, overdrive or basically any extra processing that your monitor is attempting to do and let the gpu drivers handle all that.
2. Big thing for me I didn’t realize at first, my previous monitor was a 144hz. When I swapped monitors my system reset the refresh rate to 60hz. So I would try out a game and would get lines on the screen. When I realized it and set the refresh rate to match the monitor after turning off stuff in step 1 the image now is nearly perfect.

It may also be worth going in and looking at your gpu driver and turning off a lot of the extra processing your gpu wants to do. About the only thing I leave on at times is to allow amd’s super resolution setting, which for specific games if my 6700xt has trouble getting the fps I want I can basically turn down the resolution and upscale back to 1440p. Only 1 title I need to do that in at the moment. But it seems to me any extra processing your monitor or gpu does will affect your image.

Not sure what gpu and monitor you have, but for my monitor I went on YouTube and found a video of one that was only a slightly different model where the guy spent like 30 minutes just going through the menu showing different settings and what they did. Here’s the link to his channel he seems to have many of these types of videos up.

https://youtube.com/c/PCMonitorsInfo

Also, if you search, for amd there was another video from someone else where they did the same thing going through gpu settings. I’m pretty sure someone probably has an nvidia video showing the same. So I’d check the stuff above and then try to find some videos if you need to do a deeper dive.

 

[elliott04]

Check your refresh rate. I was just setting up a new monitor last night, mine is a gigabyte, but it had an overdrive setting which wants to allow you to let the screen try to process the image more quickly I suppose. Turn that off. My screen also has an overclocking setting where it is a 165hz screen but lets you set the refresh rate to 170hz.

If I used the default gaming mode on the monitor a lot of those types of extra processing methods would have been on. So what I did to fix it basically was

1. In the monitor’s menu, use a custom setting. And turn off any kind of overclocking, overdrive or basically any extra processing that your monitor is attempting to do and let the gpu drivers handle all that.
2. Big thing for me I didn’t realize at first, my previous monitor was a 144hz. When I swapped monitors my system reset the refresh rate to 60hz. So I would try out a game and would get lines on the screen. When I realized it and set the refresh rate to match the monitor after turning off stuff in step 1 the image now is nearly perfect.

It may also be worth going in and looking at your gpu driver and turning off a lot of the extra processing your gpu wants to do. About the only thing I leave on at times is to allow amd’s super resolution setting, which for specific games if my 6700xt has trouble getting the fps I want I can basically turn down the resolution and upscale back to 1440p. Only 1 title I need to do that in at the moment. But it seems to me any extra processing your monitor or gpu does will affect your image.

Not sure what gpu and monitor you have, but for my monitor I went on YouTube and found a video of one that was only a slightly different model where the guy spent like 30 minutes just going through the menu showing different settings and what they did. Here’s the link to his channel he seems to have many of these types of videos up.

https://youtube.com/c/PCMonitorsInfo

Also, if you search, for amd there was another video from someone else where they did the same thing going through gpu settings. I’m pretty sure someone probably has an nvidia video showing the same. So I’d check the stuff above and then try to find some videos if you need to do a deeper dive.

Hello man thanks a lot for the reply my specs are Gigabyte gaming oc pro 3060ti, ryzen 7 5800x 3D, 32gb corsair vengence pro ram and my monitor is a msi g273qf is what i dont get is that this is a entire new pc and monitor but i was getting the same issue on my old pc and monitor i thought the issue would not persist since im on entire new hardware nothing of the above what you put seems to fix it. its almost like a vertical cuts/smearing ripple effect when i turn in game at a consistent pace it doesnt look like ghosting and it cant be screen tearing im lost on what else to do.

 

[elliott04]

What is seen from the video, is extreme ghosting.

May be monitor issue (e.g refresh rate, input lag) or system issue.

This small test is handy to detect ghosting issues,
link: https://www.testufo.com/ghosting

Ive testing it all for ghosting and nothing seems to fix it i was getting this issue on my old pc and monitor and im now on new hardware completely new pc and monitor so how would the issue continue? could it be a windows setting or app im lost on what to do thanks for the reply.

 

[Aeacus]

i was getting this issue on my old pc and monitor and im now on new hardware completely new pc and monitor so how would the issue continue?

Same game between two PC? If so, it's game issue.

msi g273qf

Deep dive into your monitor specs and it has quite low input lag,
link: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g273

its almost like a vertical cuts/smearing ripple effect when i turn in game at a consistent pace

Well, it doesn't sound like GPU artifacts and i wasn't able to see it in the video you provided either. Even when viewing video frame-by-frame, all what i did see, was extreme ghosting.

Might try with 2nd GPU, to see if issue persists. But if it's the same game, then look within game settings, disable one or two graphical features.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

It looks like your monitor has gsync. You may enable that if you’ve not done so.

Maybe have a look at this guide on the nvidia control panel

View: https://youtu.be/KamA-38gV7w

 

[elliott04]

Same game between two PC? If so, it's game issue.



Deep dive into your monitor specs and it has quite low input lag,
link: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g273



Well, it doesn't sound like GPU artifacts and i wasn't able to see it in the video you provided either. Even when viewing video frame-by-frame, all what i did see, was extreme ghosting.

Might try with 2nd GPU, to see if issue persists. But if it's the same game, then look within game settings, disable one or two graphical features.

Its in every game i play technically its been tested on 2 gpus and still the same

 

[elliott04]

It looks like your monitor has gsync. You may enable that if you’ve not done so.

Maybe have a look at this guide on the nvidia control panel

View: https://youtu.be/KamA-38gV7w

Already watched that and done all of that i dont have a single idea what else to do

 

[elliott04]

Also if you guys want faster communication you can add me on discord its [removed by moderator] might help speed things up if you guys have ideas

 

[elliott04]

Also i get this weird distorted/screen tear line when playing games but i also get it when scrolling through the web or youtube/anything could this be linked to my issue

 

[Aeacus]

Also i get this weird distorted/screen tear line when playing games but i also get it when scrolling through the web or youtube/anything could this be linked to my issue

In an event where this isn't hardware issue, it most likely is software issue. Here, best fix would be clean Win install, since trying to find the software conflict is like looking a needle from a very big haystack.

 

[elliott04]

In an event where this isn't hardware issue, it most likely is software issue. Here, best fix would be clean Win install, since trying to find the software conflict is like looking a needle from a very big haystack.

so would you reccomend a clean install then downloading 1 game launcher and playing a game see if the issue happens?

 

[SkyNetRising]

what i dont get is that this is a entire new pc and monitor but i was getting the same issue on my old pc and monitor

Did you reinstall windows after upgrading your pc?
Or you just reused OS drive from old pc?

its not screen tearing because i have tried all the vsync options and this issue still persists.

BTW - screen tearing is quite pronounced in that video.

 

[elliott04]

Did you reinstall windows after upgrading your pc?
Or you just reused OS drive from old pc?


BTW - screen tearing is quite pronounced in that video.

Everything is fresh on this pc and yeah i know there is screen tearing there but there is also like these vertical lines/blur or ghosting and when im in desktop like scrolling text up and down for exmample i see this tear looking like but its not as clean like the on screenshotted there its more distorted and stuff

 

[Aeacus]

blur or ghosting

In the video above, if you move from left to right and the shadow that appears behind assets, IS ghosting.

Marked some of them with red (but there are far more):

See the assets being drawn twice, like having a ghost behind them? Hence the term "ghosting".

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Also, just because you tried all vSync options, doesn't mean no tearing ever appears. I've found Adaptive Sync to be best for my build.

so would you reccomend a clean install then downloading 1 game launcher and playing a game see if the issue happens?

You can try other games as well, if you like. But on the event it IS software issue, clean Win install will get rid of all software issues.
Once clean Win install is made and you still have tearing/ghosting issue, then we can look towards hardware and what might cause it.

For example, your monitor has DisplayPort and HDMI. Have you tried different port? (E.g when using HDMI, try DP. Or vice-versa.)

Also, from the deep dive of your monitor review (that i linked above), comes this:

The MSI Optix G273 has a decent response time overall, but it's quite a bit slower than most similar monitors. The 'Fastest' overdrive setting delivers the best result overall, but even it has a slow total response time. There's a bit of overshoot in some transitions with that setting, but it's not very noticeable. Lower settings have no overshoot, which is great, but their rise/fall time and total response time is significantly slower, resulting in a much longer blur trail behind fast-moving objects.

What Overdrive setting your monitor is in? Have you tried chaning it?

 

[elliott04]

In the video above, if you move from left to right and the shadow that appears behind assets, IS ghosting.

Marked some of them with red (but there are far more):

See the assets being drawn twice, like having a ghost behind them? Hence the term "ghosting".

--

Also, just because you tried all vSync options, doesn't mean no tearing ever appears. I've found Adaptive Sync to be best for my build.



You can try other games as well, if you like. But on the event it IS software issue, clean Win install will get rid of all software issues.
Once clean Win install is made and you still have tearing/ghosting issue, then we can look towards hardware and what might cause it.

For example, your monitor has DisplayPort and HDMI. Have you tried different port? (E.g when using HDMI, try DP. Or vice-versa.)

Also, from the deep dive of your monitor review (that i linked above), comes this:


What Overdrive setting your monitor is in? Have you tried chaning it?

yeah i have tried them all and i dont see a difference its super annoying

 

[elliott04]

Even when im scrolling up and down on this thread the text becomes unclear and its like i can see screen tear like distortions on the screen

 

[Aeacus]

Even when im scrolling up and down on this thread the text becomes unclear

Same here actually. That's motion blur that i'm experiencing in TH forums. When i scroll down (or up) by 1 notch of my mouse wheel at a time, then this motion blur issue doesn't bother me.

yeah i have tried them all and i dont see a difference its super annoying

If you were to run GPU bench, e.g Unigine Superposition, would the ghosting/tear still be present in there as well? 🤔
Link: https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition

I tested the different tear reducers (vSync, Adaptive Sync etc) out by running Unigine Heaven (predecessor of Superposition). E.g picked one from Nvidia Control Panel, ran the bench, looked the image. Then picked another one, ran the bench again and looked how it fared. I did see a diff, some had considerable tearing/stutter, while others didn't have any.

 

[elliott04]

Same here actually. That's motion blur that i'm experiencing in TH forums. When i scroll down (or up) by 1 notch of my mouse wheel at a time, then this motion blur issue doesn't bother me.



If you were to run GPU bench, e.g Unigine Superposition, would the ghosting/tear still be present in there as well? 🤔
Link: https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition

I tested the different tear reducers (vSync, Adaptive Sync etc) out by running Unigine Heaven (predecessor of Superposition). E.g picked one from Nvidia Control Panel, ran the bench, looked the image. Then picked another one, ran the bench again and looked how it fared. I did see a diff, some had considerable tearing/stutter, while others didn't have any.

Ok so ive used gsync + vsync fast + on options and they both remove the screen tearing horizontally in game but when im in desktop i experience sort of the same thing like a distorted tear line like 3/4 the way up my screen on both monitors i have a dual setup and when im in game i experience no screen tearing but what you might consider ghosting i guess makes the game look blurry but it also looks like there is vertical screen tearing/cut lines in the screen when i turn its super hard to explain what im seeing the go to option is vsync but ive tried it and it does remove the horizontal tearing im experiencing but this vertical stuff is something else can i cant quite pin point what it is and like when im dragging windows ei discord or chrome to other monitor it looks choppy and not smooth when i ran the benchmark you sent me i did it in benchmark mode and it looked smooth and clear but when i put it on game mode and moved around then i noticed the same issue with the vertical cuts

 

[Aeacus]

i did it in benchmark mode and it looked smooth and clear

What stops you to use your monitor in benchmark mode at all times? 🤔 Since you'd be getting smoothness and clarity with it.

and my monitor is a msi g273qf

on both monitors

You said that you have 1 monitor. Now you're saying you have 2 monitors.
Why the conflicting info? Since monitor amount is actually important here. Thus far, everyone thought you had 1 monitor. Dual-monitor setup mixes things up, considerably.

This is not the 1st contradicting event that has happened in this topic.

 

[elliott04]

What stops you to use your monitor in benchmark mode at all times? 🤔 Since you'd be getting smoothness and clarity with it.

what do you mean?

 

[elliott04]

I said ive had the issue on my old monitor and same with my new one and the old pc and my new pc ive tried with one monitor plugged in there is no difference

 

[Aeacus]

when i ran the benchmark you sent me i did it in benchmark mode and it looked smooth and clear but when i put it on game mode and moved around then i noticed the same issue with the vertical cuts

This. You say that you ran your monitor? in two different modes.

I said ive had the issue on my old monitor and same with my new one and the old pc and my new pc

Yes, you said that. But what you did fail to state, is that you're using dual-monitor setup. Since how else you can drag a window from one monitor to another one:

and like when im dragging windows ei discord or chrome to other monitor

 

[elliott04]

This. You say that you ran your monitor? in two different modes.



Yes, you said that. But what you did fail to state, is that you're using dual-monitor setup. Since how else you can drag a window from one monitor to another one:

Yes the benchmark software that you linked me i tested it there are 2 modes benchmark which is like a cinematic movie then there is a game mode and that on you can move around it in was saying when doing the game on where i can move around with my mouse thats when i see the issue

also i just set the pc up downstairs and testing on the TV with a HDMI cable and im getting getting the same issue