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> Please keep the thread civil and absent of flaming. I am
valve declared war against pc gamers worldwide so please
don't blame us for defending ourselves and our rights
its not our fault flames do occur in steam threads but its
cause steam is such a radical change in everything dealing
with pc games
with steam nothing stays the same and that's why nobody can
be indifferent to it... its too much change and too important
and when that happens the discussions are very heated up
you must realize this, steam changes everything in pc games
and those changes are very damaging to pc gamers and pc games
also don't forget for the first time a single player pc game
makes it mandatory you have a net connection for the only
purpose to humiliate you into asking for permission to use
the game... now for someone that doesn't have net connection
how do you expect he will feel about this? do you expect him
to be understanding about valve position or do you think he
should feel angry about it?
online "ask for permission" activation is totally GRATUITOUS!
pc gamers without net have every right to flame valve for it!
> just want to know why Steam is considered evil by some.
i used the word "evil" to describe steam and valve cause its
a system that specifically takes from pc gamers to give to
publishers
that's the philosophy being it
takes from us to give to them
and for me there is malice in valve attitude
they are doing all this to specifically damage us
they really didn't need to do it but they are
for me that is acting in a damaging way against pc gamers so
for me the word "evil" is totally appropriate
> installing a new patch every few weeks really annoys me.
in what pc game do you need to install a new patch every week?
that is insane!
i have installed, played, and finished lots of pc games with
version 1.0
i rarely need patches for my pc games much less WEEKLY PATCHES!
obviously this is valve plan to make you be dependant on patches
making you can't live without patches and being always patched,
why? this way they will always control you, you will always be
in their hands, you will always need to be connected and plugged
into valve
so needing weekly patches is a lie! another lie from valve
i bet they are planing in intentionally crippling the game so you
really have to patch it weekly and stay always connected to them
so they can much better control you
> Since my PC is usually on, the patches get installed while I
so basically its steam which controls your computer
its no longer YOUR computer but rather a valve computer
and btw do you have lots of cash to let your computer on for
8 or 9 straight hours doing nothing? are you whiling to burn that
much money? and don't you know electricity causes the green house
effect and that is damaging us all?
don't you know we are living in a energy crisis with oil going
up at record levels so waste is the last thing you should do
leaving your computer on doing nothing is a total waste!
yes even if in save mode or stand by mode its still a waste
> am at work, thus CS:Source is always "ready to play".
every proper pc game is always "ready to play" out of the box
but with steam based games you must "wait" for valve to say
its "ready to play", so who controls your life? you or valve?
when you buy a normal pc game you decide when to play but you
let valve change all this with steam based pc games!
with steam and valve you will only be ready to play when they
decide!
with steam they decide when its time for you to play not you!
with steam they order and you obey!
do you accept this?
do you accept this humiliation and control over you?
do you accept being a puppet in valve's hands?
> I bought HL2 in a retail box, the good old fashioned way.
i'm sorry if i'm being too harsh but the issues are too much
important for me to be soft
hl2 retail was NOT sold in a good old fashioned way!
hl2 retail is an ABERRATION!
hl2 retail is a LIE!
even vivendi the retail publisher of hl2 stop selling it cause
it could not longer keep on with this disgusting lie and this
clear attack to consumer rights
germany authorities forced changed into the hl2 cover labeling
cause it was so wrong and didn't respect consumer rights
hl2 retail featured steam infection inside the cd and hidden
from consumers!
valve hide steam from customers!
there were hundreds of complain from pc gamers that didn't know
about steam and what it meant when they bought hl2 in a store
valve used hl2 retail to spread the steam infection to the very
healthy and essential retail pc game market to gain with it so
it later could kill it
without retail steam could have never survived
with fair competition with retail, steam WOULD ALWAYS LOOSE!
steam alone can't survive, and that's why they tried to use the
retail market
we demand a STEAM FREE retail market!
no steam in retail market!
if valve wants to impose steam do it only via the internet and
only in electronic distribution and never using the retail
channel which is what they tried to do with hl2
> If buying online was ten bucks cheaper I might have
via steam electronic distribution the price of hl2 was and
has stayed high since the start
valve has already said they will not lower the price cause
maintaining the steam server is too expensive so they need
to feed it with selling their pc games at high prices
cause steam means monopoly it will kill retail discounts
and will bring much higher prices of pc games
via steam electronic distribution there will be no competition
cause with steam its monopoly and so with no competition prices
will stay high and will not come down
hl2 via steam electronic distribution was released 8 months ago
and you see prices staying high and will not drop
what proper retail pc game titles stays with the same price as
release after 8 months? NONE! none except steam infected ones
no competition means higher prices and monopoly
so with steam pc game prices will go up not down
a clear reason why steam is wrong
> considered it but it wasn't it, so for my dollar I want a
> printed manual and a box etc.
if you want a printed manual and a box you must fight against
steam and valve!
steam wants to kill the packaged physical cd/dvd box product
in pc games!
no the hl2 retail thing was not it, it was a lie! lie!
the hl2 that appeared in retail was a total ABERRATION
steam has no place in retail!
steam has no place in a cd!
the retail market has been the best place to buy pc games for
the best prices and in a proper box but always clean of steam
infection
NO STEAM INFECTION IN THE RETAIL CHANNEL!
that's extremely important!
> So, why do others hate Steam?
i already gave you plenty of them
there are dozens and dozens of reasons why steam is so wrong
i already told you some like...
taking away freedom of choice
.. being a system that changes everything in pc games with the
purpose of taking away freedom of choice from pc gamers and
giving publishers more power
net connection mandatory
.. forcing you to have a net connection for a single player pc
game when many pc gamers don't have net connection in the pc
they use for gaming
not thinking about dial-up users
.. with a system so dependant on net connection and so demanding
for bandwidth, dial-up users which have narrow bandwidth and pay
by the minute have been totally neglected and forgotten by valve
humiliating ask for permission
.. forcing you to have to humiliate yourself by asking for
permission to use a product you just have bought which is
what happens with the activation process used in hl2 retail
playing games stoped being anonymous
.. valve forces you to identify yourself before they let you play
a game you have just bought so no longer playing pc games will
be anonymous and your right for privacy is violated
controlling when you can play and not yourself
.. with steam you no longer have the freedom and control to
when be able to play the pc game you have bought but its now
valve who decides when can you play the game you just bought
no patches available in individual files for manual patch
.. steam takes the possibility of being able to patch the game
manually and being able to have patches in individual files
that can be easily distributed and passed along so others
which don't have fast internet access or not at all can also
be able to patch the game
being forced to make huge downloads to play a game
.. when the first time you install hl2 retail you are not only
forced to humiliate yourself by asking permission to use a
product you just bought but also you are forced to download
a huge amount of data that in a dial-up connection can take
long hours to complete and cost alot for those paying by the
minute, and i've seen pc gamers saying they waited as long as
6 hours!
killing the second hands market
.. with steam valve is trying to kill the second hand market
and again taking away choice from pc gamers and taking away
a cheap alternative to buy pc games at low prices
creating a monopoly buy forcing you to buy only from one place
.. with steam you can only buy from one place creating a clear
monopoly in pc games with all the damage that brings to us
killing the retail market
.. being also a distribution system steam wants to kill the
retail market which is the best for low prices and fair
competition and easy access
needing a credit card to pay for pc games
.. making it required a credit card to pay for pc games when
the majority of pc gamers don't have it shows how valve does
give a damn about us
killing pc games as a packaged physical cd/dvd box product
.. forget about what you saw in retail with hl2 which was a
total disgusting lie, the facts are clear, steam wants to
kill pc games as box products so they become downloadable
only which is wrong and damaging to us pc gamers cause its
in a proper box in a proper physical medium that pc games
must always be!
lots of hidden costs to deal with
.. not only the games itself are expensive but steam based pc
games have lots of hidden costs like needing to pay for net
access and needing to pay for a dvd recorder and a dvd blank
medium which doesn't happen with a proper boxed games cause
they are self contained and play instantly out of the box
trying to turn pc games into an expensive elitist hobby
.. with broadband as MANDATORY and with higher prices and the
need to have a credit card, valve using steam wants to make
pc games an expensive elitist hobby when now its a popular
democratic affordable one
the first step for the much feared software as service
.. steam is the first step into making software and with valve
pc games specifically into services making the customer have
ZERO control over the way he uses the software, software as a
service is the dream for publishers cause they will have total
control over consumer and a COMPLETE NIGHTMARE TO US CUSTOMERS
don't know if i'm forgetting some important issue in steam
cause there are so many that sometimes i forget one or two
there would be more to say and write about the damage steam
does but i guess for now its enough to see we all must fight
against it
join us! fight along us against steam!
boycott any steam based pc game!
its the future of pc games that is in stake!
protect your favorite hobby!
long live pc games steam free!
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post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam
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