Will 8700k be absolute after Ice lake?

[Pijmzhchus]

I always find it difficult to make investment in pc hardware, because three progress is so fast. I'm asking if 8700k will be absolute after Ice lake launch. Ice lake is going to be 10nm sooooo... idk I'm just curious

 

[samer.forums]

I always find it difficult to make investment in pc hardware, because three progress is so fast. I'm asking if 8700k will be absolute after Ice lake launch. Ice lake is going to be 10nm sooooo... idk I'm just curious

People are still gaming using i7 2600K ... thats 2011 product.

Dont worry much about 8700K it will serve you well for at least 6 years to come.

 

[USAFRet]

Obsolete.

Ice Lake is due out mid-to-late 2018, and will be 10nm, I would probably wait for that if you can.

Wait until "mid-to-late 2018", meaning actual mainstream availability and the v1.1 bug fixes early 2019?
For a minimal boost?

Why wait?

If the OP had a current viable PC of a gen or two old, then yes....wait.
If he's building new? Waiting over a year? Why?



OP....buy what you want, when it is available, at a price you want to pay.
Waiting for 'the next best thing' is a fools game, unless the 'wait' is less than 90 days.

 

[vulcan78]

Additional follow up:

I just so happen to be playing FC4 at the moment, and one of the outposts I've liberated came under attack and I was in the Gyro-copter shooting at multiple NPC's with the grenade launcher. GPU utilization dropped all the way down to 50% here at 60 FPS because of all of the NPC's etc. with my 4930k at 4.5 GHz, and farcry4.exe set to High Priority via Process Hacker. It would have probably only dipped down to 80% utilization or so if I had a 6700, 7700 or 8700k at the same frequency, to say nothing of having the latter at 5.0+ GHz. That's probably the equivalent of 25 FPS or so (with a 7700k at 4.5 GHz, I wouldn't be surprised if an 8700k at 5.0-5.3 GHz wouldn't have even flinched here, i.e. 100% GPU utilization throughout this demanding situation), which would have been infinitely smoother.

And I feel the need to reiterate that when I pointed to the GPU utilization in all of the previous examples, I mean to say that 70-80% GPU utilization UNDER REFRESH RATE, i.e. 90 out of 144 FPS or whatever the hell.

In retrospect, I might have been better off or in the same boat had I elected to upgrade my CPU to 7700k instead up upgrading the 980 Ti to 1080 Ti. The end result is mostly the same depending on the title. Sure, the GPU was probably the better decision for the majority of game the majority of the time but seeing the frames dip down from say 100-120 down to 60 FPS in FC4 because of the CPU is really alarming.

Looking forward to Ice Lake, at 10nm I surmise that it will be at minimum 20-30% faster than Coffee Lake, not "5-10%". But you do whatever you want with your money.

Oh and there's a possibility Intel will listen and use solder instead of crappy TIM next time around, addressing the insane temperatures. They may have to with the exponential bump in core density.

 

[vulcan78]

Obsolete.

Ice Lake is due out mid-to-late 2018, and will be 10nm, I would probably wait for that if you can.

Wait until "mid-to-late 2018", meaning actual mainstream availability and the v1.1 bug fixes early 2019?
For a minimal boost?

Why wait?

If the OP had a current viable PC of a gen or two old, then yes....wait.
If he's building new? Waiting over a year? Why?



OP....buy what you want, when it is available, at a price you want to pay.
Waiting for 'the next best thing' is a fools game, unless the 'wait' is less than 90 days.

No, this form of thinking is because of Intel and it's drip drip iterative refresh cycle on the same architecture, i.e., Sky, Kaby, and Coffee Lake all on 14nm process. Ice Lake is getting a process shrink, I've already listed the visual chart showing that 10nm is 3x as dense as 14nm.

Youre extrapolating what has been incremental "tick" evolution over the past few years with "tock" lithography shrink that's going to happen next year.

It has been mostly the case that yeah, buy whatever is new at the moment because what's around the corner is going to be ho hum. But that wasn't the case going from Broadwell to Kaby Lake (22 to 14nm) and that won't be the case going from Coffee to Sky Lake.

Buying outgoing 22nm architecture right now is kinda like buying Maxwell before Pascal in Nvidia terms, not like buying Maxwell after Kepler (iterative, same process size, 28nm). Everyone picking up Coffee Lake is jumping the gun. Ice Lake is not going to be an iterative evolution, it's going to be a leap, just like we've seen from Maxwell to Pascal on the GPU side of things.

I mean I could see if Ice Lake was due out in 2020 or something, but it's literally do out Q2 2018, Q4 2018 at the latest. If you can't wait 6-9 months for another 20-30% performance for the same $ I don't know what to tell you other than youre stupid and / or impatient and /or wealthy enough to not care and / or uninformed about CPU evolution ("But 6700k is only 5% faster than my 4790k!") Sorry to be blunt.

 

[USAFRet]

Youre extrapolating what has been incremental "tick" evolution over the past few years with "tock" lithography shrink that's going to happen next year.

It has been mostly the case that yeah, buy whatever is new at the moment because what's around the corner is going to be ho hum. But that wasn't the case going from Broadwell to Kaby Lake (22 to 14nm) and that won't be the case going from Coffee to Sky Lake.

No, I'm extrapolating "waiting 14 months"
What does the OP have now? No idea.
When does he need this? No idea.

If he has no PC, waiting over a year for the next one is silly.
If he currently has a system that works well, then sure...wait for the next one. It may be great, it may be a mediocre improvement over current.

 

[vulcan78]

Youre extrapolating what has been incremental "tick" evolution over the past few years with "tock" lithography shrink that's going to happen next year.

It has been mostly the case that yeah, buy whatever is new at the moment because what's around the corner is going to be ho hum. But that wasn't the case going from Broadwell to Kaby Lake (22 to 14nm) and that won't be the case going from Coffee to Sky Lake.

No, I'm extrapolating "waiting 14 months"
What does the OP have now? No idea.
When does he need this? No idea.

If he has no PC, waiting over a year for the next one is silly.
If he currently has a system that works well, then sure...wait for the next one. It may be great, it may be a mediocre improvement over current.

Yeah I kinda agree, looking at my last comment, hate to sound hypocritical but I came very close to purchasing a new 6700k on ebay for $250 (I was snipe out-bidded at the 2 second mark). Later another one appeared for $230 shipped, new, but losing the first auction really forced me to re-evaluate my position. I can spend $500 now and see maybe 35% gains in games that are insanely CPU intensive / responsive to single core speed (not to mention that going from 2133 MHz to 3200 MHz would have introduced huge gains in certain titles, such as Zelda: BOTW running on Cemu, check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKFLE1CVcSs) and I would have been able to stay with Windows 7, as I'm currently not at all interested in Windows 10 and Microsoft shoving telemetry, spying and advertising and forced updates down our throats (to say nothing of all of the driver issues and otherwise, including all of the problems I had trying to run Win 10 on a second SSD in dual boot, eventually I had to dial back the CPU OC from 4.5 GHz to 4.4 GHz just to boot into Windows 10 and then the entire installation became corrupted for some reason shortly thereafter with no recourse but a reinstall, so I just removed the dual boot option) but that would have been $500 ($230 CPU, $135 mobo, $194 memory) and I'm ready to move on from Win 7, I'm hoping I can just figure out how to turn off the telemetry, (I'm technically an above avg. power user with Win 7 so I think I am capable of that). And I'm really excited to see how Ice Lake performs, if it's going to be an octo-core 6700k on 10nm with faster single core speed and 8 cores for DX12 titles and video editing, well, I think that's worth the price difference between $500 and $800 or so. And at that point I will truly be future proof, no 6th gen quad-core processor on a dying OS. And who knows what kind of awesome DX12 titles are lurking around the corner, we already have Star Wars: Battlefront 2 coming in Nov, and I've yet to pick up BF1. Now that Microsoft is not providing updates to newer CPU's they are pretty much dragging us kicking and screaming into adopting their telemetry, spy ware "operating system". With 7700k (and presumably 8700k) you CAN actually get them to work with Win 7, but you have to download the updates on your own and there will be no more support etc.

Anyhow, I just figured I would update my previous posts, I totally understand the temptation to upgrade prematurely. Getting snipe bidded was a blessing in disguise. Now I just have to endure 4th gen single core mediocrity for the next 9 months or so. If I can put aside $100 a month until then I should be good to go.