Question Will an old 500w PSU be okay for an RTX 4060 Ti + Ryzen 5 5600 ?

[CurableUnwired8192]

Hello everyone. I'm planning to buy a RTX 4060 Ti card, specifically this one. I read on the GPU manufacturer's website that the recommended PSU for this GPU is 500w but my PSU is about 7 years old at this point. I couldn't stretch my budget anymore since I just bought my Ryzen 5 5600 last month with what I saved from my odd jobs (desperately wanted to get out from Ryzen 3 1300X for 2 years!) but my old GTX 1050 Ti suddenly broke on me 2 weeks ago so yeah... that sucked.

The 1050 Ti's DVI & HDMI ports (the ports I use for 2 monitors) don't work anymore but at least the processing part still works since I gave it to my little brother and his computer still recognizes it and can set his Windows computer to utilize that 1050 Ti for games (He has Intel iGPU). I tested the DVI & HDMI ports on my little bro's PC as well and yeah, it doesn't work there as well. I thought it was time to upgrade anyways, even though it was unexpected (PSU was actually the next in list to be upgraded, then GPU), plus it's nice to see little bro finally be able to play his favorite games. Couldn't stand him enduring playing games with < 30 FPS.

I'm not gonna be doing much "intense gaming". I'll still play casual games like gmod, Alien Isolation, Far Cry 4, GTA IV, V, etc. since I stream for fun but I won't be playing games at ridiculous resolutions and ridiculous refresh rates like 4k@144Hz, 1440p@240Hz etc. At max I'll only be playing them at 1080p@60. I also won't be playing the newest and the latest games cos I don't have the resources to buy any more games and I use Arch, btw full-time (for peace of mind of constantly fixing Windows when it decides to break after an update!!!) so multiplayer games w/anticheat are out of the discussion as well. I don't really play lots of multiplayer games anyway.

I'm more on the side of dabbling with machine learning, CUDA, virtual machines, stuff like that though. I specifically chose this GPU for this task so gaming benchmarks might not be relevant and AMD GPU's are out of the question, but I'm kinda worried my PSU will suddenly blow up while I experiment around, train models, etc. cos PSU's old and stuff.

I also know my motherboard is only capable of PCIe Gen 3 but that doesn't matter. What matters is if I'll be able to use my computer with the GPU I'm planning to buy in a stable state, possibly for a few more years while I earn cash for a new PSU without damaging the good, pricey stuff. I just wanna know if using a 7 year old PSU with this rig is advisable in the long run, and if possible please let me know why. If it's not advisable, then I'll prioritize looking for a PSU first. Also while you're at it, please suggest some good PSU brands and their products. It'll help out a lot.
Here's my current specs:

• Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk Max (link)
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (OC'd to 4.6 GHz)
• RAM: 40 GB DDR4@2666 MHz (8+8+8+16; assorted brands)
• GPU: None (Planning to buy this one)
• PSU: FSP HYPER K 500W (link)
• Additionals: 4x HDD, 1x SSD, 1x optical drive (for legacy stuff), 5x 120mm fans

Additional note: As far as I can remember, according to my watt-meter, the whole rig pulled about 270 W max when I was doing Prime95 torture test on all cores & threads while doing Superposition benchmark when it was working last time with the 1050 Ti. I also measured the voltages while doing the torture test and benchmark and I think it was 11.994 for 12v, 3.34 for 3.3v, and 5.07v for 5v, which I know is within thresholds but what do you guys think?

Thanks in advance!

 

[triplex1]

Hello everyone. I'm planning to buy a RTX 4060 Ti card, specifically this one. I read on the GPU manufacturer's website that the recommended PSU for this GPU is 500w but my PSU is about 7 years old at this point. I couldn't stretch my budget anymore since I just bought my Ryzen 5 5600 last month with what I saved from my odd jobs (desperately wanted to get out from Ryzen 3 1300X for 2 years!) but my old GTX 1050 Ti suddenly broke on me 2 weeks ago so yeah... that sucked.

The 1050 Ti's DVI & HDMI ports (the ports I use for 2 monitors) don't work anymore but at least the processing part still works since I gave it to my little brother and his computer still recognizes it and can set his Windows computer to utilize that 1050 Ti for games (He has Intel iGPU). I tested the DVI & HDMI ports on my little bro's PC as well and yeah, it doesn't work there as well. I thought it was time to upgrade anyways, even though it was unexpected (PSU was actually the next in list to be upgraded, then GPU), plus it's nice to see little bro finally be able to play his favorite games. Couldn't stand him enduring playing games with < 30 FPS.

I'm not gonna be doing much "intense gaming". I'll still play casual games like gmod, Alien Isolation, Far Cry 4, GTA IV, V, etc. since I stream for fun but I won't be playing games at ridiculous resolutions and ridiculous refresh rates like 4k@144Hz, 1440p@240Hz etc. At max I'll only be playing them at 1080p@60. I also won't be playing the newest and the latest games cos I don't have the resources to buy any more games and I use Arch, btw full-time (for peace of mind of constantly fixing Windows when it decides to break after an update!!!) so multiplayer games w/anticheat are out of the discussion as well. I don't really play lots of multiplayer games anyway.

I'm more on the side of dabbling with machine learning, CUDA, virtual machines, stuff like that though. I specifically chose this GPU for this task so gaming benchmarks might not be relevant and AMD GPU's are out of the question, but I'm kinda worried my PSU will suddenly blow up while I experiment around, train models, etc. cos PSU's old and stuff.

I also know my motherboard is only capable of PCIe Gen 3 but that doesn't matter. What matters is if I'll be able to use my computer with the GPU I'm planning to buy in a stable state, possibly for a few more years while I earn cash for a new PSU without damaging the good, pricey stuff. I just wanna know if using a 7 year old PSU with this rig is advisable in the long run, and if possible please let me know why. If it's not advisable, then I'll prioritize looking for a PSU first. Also while you're at it, please suggest some good PSU brands and their products. It'll help out a lot.
Here's my current specs:

• Motherboard: MSI B450 Tomahawk Max (link)
• CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (OC'd to 4.6 GHz)
• RAM: 40 GB DDR4@2666 MHz (8+8+8+16; assorted brands)
• GPU: None (Planning to buy this one)
• PSU: FSP HYPER K 500W (link)
• Additionals: 4x HDD, 1x SSD, 1x optical drive (for legacy stuff), 5x 120mm fans

Additional note: As far as I can remember, according to my watt-meter, the whole rig pulled about 270 W max when I was doing Prime95 torture test on all cores & threads while doing Superposition benchmark when it was working last time with the 1050 Ti. I also measured the voltages while doing the torture test and benchmark and I think it was 11.994 for 12v, 3.34 for 3.3v, and 5.07v for 5v, which I know is within thresholds but what do you guys think?

Thanks in advance!

I don't know the power supply you show, but it seems very cheap, I wouldn't use it, get a gold brand and 550-600 watts to be ok

 

[punkncat]

It appears that FSP is a budget PSU with a "white" efficiency rating, which isn't a real efficiency rating. It appears these came available around 2013 which could put the actual age of the unit more than 10yo.

Look at it like this. Using an old power supply, even when it is a quality unit, is a gamble against its failure and the possibility of damaging other hardware as it goes. If you are willing to risk running these several hundred dollars of upgrades on a power supply that was NEVER a quality choice, it really comes down to your possible risk exposure.

If it were me, I would be hunting a new replacement with a real efficiency rating. Zalman GigaMax 600W Bronze is $55 bucks on Amazon right now.

 

[Lutfij]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

7 Year old PSU, unit you should avoid, nope, I would advise on buying a reliably built 650W~750W unit for your build.

Moved thread from Components section to Power Supplies section

 

[LuKaWin10]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

7 Year old PSU, unit you should avoid, nope, I would advise on buying a reliably built 650W~750W unit for your build.

Moved thread from Components section to Power Supplies section

Could he maybe take the Corsair CX750, or the MSI MAG A650BN (I use this MSI one in my old PC build, been using it since September and everything works well). I would really avoid that PSU as that PSU now is pretty much an equivalent to a hydrogen bomb that is bound to detonate any time soon🥶💀. Depends fully on his budget on what power supply he should get. OP can tell us if he has any more money left so maybe, just maybe, he finds a good PSU for his price range.

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

Could he maybe take the Corsair CX750, or the MSI MAG A650BN (I use this MSI one in my old PC build, been using it since September and everything works well). I would really avoid that PSU as that PSU now is pretty much an equivalent to a hydrogen bomb that is bound to detonate any time soon🥶💀. Depends fully on his budget on what power supply he should get. OP can tell us if he has any more money left so maybe, just maybe, he finds a good PSU for his price range.

I could buy a PSU with a max budget of £100/$130 and downgrade to a RTX 3060 12 GB, which would suck, but I guess that's better than sitting on a C4.

Thanks man!

 

[triplex1]

I could buy a PSU with a max budget of £100/$130 and downgrade to a RTX 3060 12 GB, which would suck, but I guess that's better than sitting on a C4.

Thanks man!

I could buy a PSU with a max budget of £100/$130 and downgrade to a RTX 3060 12 GB, which would suck, but I guess that's better than sitting on a C4.

Thanks man!

If you have to go down to 3060, better get a rx7600xt with 16gb and you'll be ok

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

Welcome to the forums, newcomer!

7 Year old PSU, unit you should avoid, nope, I would advise on buying a reliably built 650W~750W unit for your build.

Moved thread from Components section to Power Supplies section

Yeah. I was thinking of that as well. Gotta get some headroom for some upgrades down the line too.

Thanks!

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

It appears that FSP is a budget PSU with a "white" efficiency rating, which isn't a real efficiency rating. It appears these came available around 2013 which could put the actual age of the unit more than 10yo.

Look at it like this. Using an old power supply, even when it is a quality unit, is a gamble against its failure and the possibility of damaging other hardware as it goes. If you are willing to risk running these several hundred dollars of upgrades on a power supply that was NEVER a quality choice, it really comes down to your possible risk exposure.

If it were me, I would be hunting a new replacement with a real efficiency rating. Zalman GigaMax 600W Bronze is $55 bucks on Amazon right now.

Thanks for your reply. Guess I'll have to avoid FSP.

As for your suggestion, I don't think they sell those in my area. I'd prefer if I can buy a PSU physically along with the GPU by Sunday (don't really have an account on Amazon). I asked the telephone guy at the store I'm planning to buy stuff on and they have these PSU brands available:

• BeQuiet!
• Cooler Master
• Corsair
• Antec
• SeaSonic
• MSI
• Thermaltake
• DeepCool

 

[triplex1]

• Cooler Master
• Corsair
• .......as Gold

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

If you have to go down to 3060, better get a rx7600xt with 16gb and you'll be ok

I'd really go with AMD if they have some kind of CUDA equivalent capability available on their GPU's, but I do CUDA stuff. I also use NVENC cos I stream (for fun).

I have heard of ROCm though but I read support is not widespread compared to CUDA and it's only available on select AMD GPU's (I think?). It is promising but I have a specific project that requires CUDA so yeah.

 

[triplex1]

If you find it for that money, buy it and let it be bigger, you don't mind that

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

If you find it for that money, buy it and let it be bigger, you don't mind that

I can afford this one but the store I'm buying from doesn't have Corsair RM850x in stock (probably cos it's popular choice), but they have Corsair RM850x Shift. I'm thinking they're the same but the Shift variant has its cables on the side?

Also will this fit in my case, given that this is a bit larger (160x150x86mm) than my current one (150x140x86mm)?

EDIT: I just discovered this won't work since the PSU's side will be blocked when I put it in the case. Also Corsair's website says my case isn't compatible with the Shift variant PSU so yeah... Corsair RM850x Shift isn't compatible and RM850x is out of stock.

Anyone got some more suggestions?

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

Corsair CX750, or the MSI MAG A650BN

The store I'm buying from only has this particular Corsair CX750 model in their stock but it only has 3 SATA power connectors, which is half of what I have on my mobo (6). I need at least 5 which the MSI MAG A650BN has. I'm gonna look around the web and see reviews for the MSI one.

 

[LuKaWin10]

I could buy a PSU with a max budget of £100/$130 and downgrade to a RTX 3060 12 GB, which would suck, but I guess that's better than sitting on a C4.

Thanks man!

Yep. These C4s are really dangerous, after years of use they become worse than a used Diablotek one. And don't go with the RTX 3060, go with the RX 6750 XT or the 6700 XT. Raw performance is better, even NVIDIA outed from adding ray tracing to 30-series cards. So I'd take one of.... those two haha. For your budget, a great PSU may be the Corsair RM750e, or a Seasonic Focus GX-750 W. Maybe the MSI MPG A750GF 750 W, or practically the EVGA SuperNova G6 750-W. It is all your preference, you could even ask others on what they say/prefer. I personally have an MSI MAG A650BN in my old PC, so that my old Eurocase PSU does not blow up after running Minecraft for 2 mins lol. And the PSU is good, so yeaaa.

 

[LuKaWin10]

The store I'm buying from only has this particular Corsair CX750 model in their stock but it only has 3 SATA power connectors, which is half of what I have on my mobo (6). I need at least 5 which the MSI MAG A650BN has. I'm gonna look around the web and see reviews for the MSI one.

Yep, check them out, I even showed you few more, so if you need any more opinions just ask, I'm here to help!

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

don't go with the RTX 3060, go with the RX 6750 XT or the 6700 XT. Raw performance is better, even NVIDIA outed from adding ray tracing to 30-series cards. So I'd take one of.... those two haha.

I've been scouring the web for a replacement GPU this whole week and yeah AMD GPU's are really great for their price... if it's all about gaming. The thing is, I do CUDA stuff as well. I have some software that solely rely on CUDA even when I was still using the really weak and slow 1050 Ti for those kind of tasks. I dabble around with them. It'd suck if I won't be able to use those software with a new GPU. Plus the 12 GB means I can do more stuff without the dreaded OOM.

Raytracing is a nice addition but I wouldn't use it if it tanks game FPS lol. At max I'll only be playing at 1080p res @ 60Hz refresh rate.

I really wish AMD has an equivalent solution to CUDA. Heard of ROCm but support isn't widespread and I think not all AMD GPU's are capable of ROCm. I could be wrong though.

Yep, check them out, I even showed you few more, so if you need any more opinions just ask, I'm here to help!

I've been up all night searching for reviews but thought I might just go 850 - 1000W if I'm going to forgo the 4060 Ti. I'm thinking of fitting my total budget of £399/$518/€480 for two parts (GPU & PSU) so I've got these PSU's on the list instead:

• SeaSonic FOCUS PLUS 850 Gold [SSR-850FX]
• Corsair RM850e (2023) [CP-9020263]
• Corsair RM850 [CP-9020232]
• MSI A1000G PCIE5 [MPG A1000G PCIE 5]
• NZXT C850 (2022) [PA-8G1BB-US]

a great PSU may be the Corsair RM750e, or a Seasonic Focus GX-750 W. Maybe the MSI MPG A750GF 750 W, or practically the EVGA SuperNova G6 750-W

I'll add these on my to-search list as well. Thanks!

 

[triplex1]

• SeaSonic FOCUS PLUS 850 Gold [SSR-850FX]
• Corsair RM850 [CP-9020232]

one of the two, whichever you get cheaper

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

one of the two, whichever you get cheaper

Good news. I called and they have those two PSU's in stock. Hope nobody buys them all before I can lol.

Now for the GPU, I got these on my list. Seems all of them are within remaining budget of £283/$367/€340:

• Zotac GAMING Twin Edge OC RTX 3060 12GB
• Gigabyte GAMING OC Rev 2.0 RTX 3060 12GB
• Gigabyte GAMING OC RTX 3060 12GB
• MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12G OC
• Palit Dual GeForce RTX 3060 12GB
• Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC Rev 2.0 RTX 3060 12GB
• Zotac GAMING AMP GeForce RTX 3060

I assume it's all about brand at this point but I dunno anything about these brands because it's my first time buying a GPU for myself.

If anyone knows about how these brands go when it comes to GPU's, please share your opinions. I'mma continue researching reviews for these GPU's later. Not good staying up late lmao.

 

[triplex1]

Good news. I called and they have those two PSU's in stock. Hope nobody buys them all before I can lol.

Now for the GPU, I got these on my list. Seems all of them are within remaining budget of £283/$367/€340:

• Zotac GAMING Twin Edge OC RTX 3060 12GB

you also visit Zotac's website with register and get a 5-year warranty, don't look at the rest

 

[LuKaWin10]

I've been scouring the web for a replacement GPU this whole week and yeah AMD GPU's are really great for their price... if it's all about gaming. The thing is, I do CUDA stuff as well. I have some software that solely rely on CUDA even when I was still using the really weak and slow 1050 Ti for those kind of tasks. I dabble around with them. It'd suck if I won't be able to use those software with a new GPU. Plus the 12 GB means I can do more stuff without the dreaded OOM.

Raytracing is a nice addition but I wouldn't use it if it tanks game FPS lol. At max I'll only be playing at 1080p res @ 60Hz refresh rate.

I really wish AMD has an equivalent solution to CUDA. Heard of ROCm but support isn't widespread and I think not all AMD GPU's are capable of ROCm. I could be wrong though.


I've been up all night searching for reviews but thought I might just go 850 - 1000W if I'm going to forgo the 4060 Ti. I'm thinking of fitting my total budget of £399/$518/€480 for two parts (GPU & PSU) so I've got these PSU's on the list instead:

• SeaSonic FOCUS PLUS 850 Gold [SSR-850FX]
• Corsair RM850e (2023) [CP-9020263]
• Corsair RM850 [CP-9020232]
• MSI A1000G PCIE5 [MPG A1000G PCIE 5]
• NZXT C850 (2022) [PA-8G1BB-US]

I'll add these on my to-search list as well. Thanks!

Ohhh, I understand. Yep, CUDA stuff seems interesting.


These PSU options are good, as said by triplex1, those are my suggestions also.


For the GPU, go with any of them. Whatever you like aesthetically since practically they're the same. My honest opinion is taking the MSI or the Gygabyte one. But it is ur option, whatever suits your price, take it. If you experience issues; warranty always exists as a great solution to your problems!

Good luck, and no problem!

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

you also visit Zotac's website with register and get a 5-year warranty, don't look at the rest

Ohhh, I understand. Yep, CUDA stuff seems interesting.


These PSU options are good, as said by triplex1, those are my suggestions also.


For the GPU, go with any of them. Whatever you like aesthetically since practically they're the same. My honest opinion is taking the MSI or the Gygabyte one. But it is ur option, whatever suits your price, take it. If you experience issues; warranty always exists as a great solution to your problems!

Good luck, and no problem!

Alright. I'll be buying parts tomorrow. I'll let y'all know which ones I've got.

Thanks guys!

 

[mikemid]

you can try to test your psu by a multimeter

 

[LuKaWin10]

Alright. I'll be buying parts tomorrow. I'll let y'all know which ones I've got.

Thanks guys!

No problem man, and hope you enjoy. Stay us updated, and during this weekend I will try answering questions

 

[CurableUnwired8192]

No problem man, and hope you enjoy. Stay us updated, and during this weekend I will try answering questions

Hey all. Sorry for the late update. Been busy this week but yeah I got all the parts.

For the GPU, I bought the Gigabyte GeForce RTX™ 3060 GAMING OC 12G (rev. 2.0). The Zotac one wasn't available so I bought this instead. This GPU almost didn't fit in my case but s' all good cos my case can accommodate 310mm long GPUs but actually there's only like a quarter of an inch left..

From the looks of it, it's not sagging or slightly slanted so that's good. I read that RTX 3060's don't sag but idk. It's my first time installing a lengthy GPU.

As for the PSU though, I'm kinda confused. I got a Seasonic GX-850 with a "Safety Model Name" of SSR-850FX. I'm thinking GX-850 and SSR-850FX are the same. Right now I'm stress testing both the CPU & GPU to make sure it pulls as much as power as it can and so far it hasn't blown up so I guess that's fine. It's pulling about 350 - 360 W according to my wattmeter.

you can try to test your psu by a multimeter

I did test the old PSU when I was stress testing my PC with my old GPU back then and I think the voltages for the old PSU were 11.994 (or was it 11.94) for 12v, 3.34 for 3.3v, and 5.07v for 5v, which I know are all within thresholds.