Will this cooler make a difference (soundwise)

[Feliks]

Will this cpu cooler make much more difference (in terms of loudness) than my stock cooler? (LGA 1150, Intel i5 4590)

Please just yes or no, answer that question first ^. Secondly if you have a different cooler you want to suggest than feel free but keep it within $18 budget, and it must fit a Mini-ITX (Cooler Master Elite 130) case.
Note: I can get this cooler for $10, part of the reason I want this one. It has pretty decent reviews and I'm not looking for the best cooler, just something slightly quieter than stock which I hear is pretty loud.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Cheap, and quiet. And a very strong performer from a company known for quality products.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UF2DZ6565&cm_re=cryorig-_-9SIA4UF2DZ6565-_-Product

That won't even vaguely fit in his case.

How would you know? Unless I'm mistaken after reading through this thread three times, I see NO mention of any particular case, nor did he specify a particular case in the PSU tier list thread. If there is a restriction due to case size, that ought to be a primary them in this thread but I don't see any mention of it.

And aside from that, the T2 and some of these other coolers being discussed are at LEAST 140mm tall. That Cryorig cooler, which I doubt you're even familiar with, is only 145mm tall, and will fit nearly ANY case made unless it's an extremely thin form factor, a few mini-ITX cases on the smaller side or some proprietary form factors used by a few of the OEMs.


Edit: I see the case model now. Yeah, that only supports up to 65mm coolers, so that cooler in your answer above, the Hyper T2, that is selected as the best answer, needs to be unselected because it will also not even come close to fitting that case. Also, just about every cooler discussed on this page is junk and aside from the T2 and H7, you'd be better off with the stock cooler.

Since those won't fit, I'd look at other options and I'd also consider that you can't cry and skimp when it comes times to pay for what you want. If you choose a specialty configuration like mini-ITX, and select a case with poor CPU cooler support, then you just have to bite the bullet if you want something with adequate performance and reliability. I'd go with this which is only 36 bucks after 5 dollar rebate. It's not as good as a tower cooler would be, but considering your limitations, it's much better at this price point than anything else you're likely to find and again, Phanteks makes quality long term products. Not cheap throw away junk.:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709039

 

[tiny voices]

DO NOT buy any of the sub $15 coolers that look like the stock cooler. They are not any better than the stock cooler and a big waste of money. Seriously pointless.

Get the cooler recommended right above this post. VERY good and about as good as you will do.

 

[Benjiwenji]

Also, just about every cooler discussed on this page is junk and aside from the T2 and H7, you'd be better off with the stock cooler.

Do you think the Noctua NH-L9i is junk? Especially when his main concern seems to be noise.

Edited for a typo

 

[tiny voices]

No it is a great cooler. Where was it mentioned though?

 

[Benjiwenji]

No it is a great cooler. Where was it mentioned though?

I just posted a link for the L9i in the comment right before Darkbreeze's suggestion on the H7.

 

[Darkbreeze]

ALL Noctua coolers are good coolers, depending on your needs and what they are designed to accommodate. However, it IS more expensive. I could definitely recommend a WAY, WAY better cooler that would fit that case and far outperform either the L9i or the PH-TC12LS, but you'll pay 20-30 dollars more for it too. Either of those coolers would do a good job, and you will not find ANY sub-30 dollar coolers that have a low sound threshold. They're going to spin at about 2000-4000 RPM to even do an adequate job on a low TDP chip, which is why they are loud and fail early.

 

[Feliks]

Lol ok... all I was looking for was something a bit quieter than stock. Therefore "a fan that looks like stock" is perfectly fine; if it's quieter it could be built just slightly differently to make it quieter. I'm not concerned about keeping my CPU -5 degrees, having the best brand cooler, etc.

My final question is this: do you think the (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0037AKXKM/?tag=pcpapi-20) will be quieter than the stock LGA 1150 i5 4590 cooler, or not?

If it will not be quieter, than I will stick with stock. I find no sense in spending $30 to cool a CPU that is already going to work with the stock cooler anyways... I didn't need anything that would cool better, just going to be a bit quieter. (Not a $30 "ultra silent" either.. again just a bit quieter than the reputable noisy stock cooler)

Also, if anyone does have a similar Intel CPU and used the stock cooler, can anyone speak to how loud it is? The whole point of me looking for an aftermarket cooler was because I was told the stocks can be very noisy and this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0037AKXKM/?tag=pcpapi-20 has a reputation for being very quiet (check the reviews).

 

[Rogue Leader]

where is this commentary coming from

That commentary came from me, and the consensus of opinions by a handful of experienced members, and is fact.

There is a version of the 4590 that is 65w, so this cooler (if he has that chip) would work fine. That said I agree with your next posts that all of these he wants are low end ones and are junk. However I've seen and used low end ones like that and they are always in my experience quieter than stock (sometimes I build what people give me, if you're paying me and you give me junk parts I'll tell you they suck, but I make them work).

You do need to realize from my point of view he is asking the same question in another thread and giving me bits and pieces of information from that thread. Also later on here I provided him with a cooler that I found a lot of folks used in a lot of builds with this case (otherwise most use a liquid cooler). Also regarding your other post no I was not familiar with the Cryorg, but I can click a link and read a measurement, so I would appreciate you avoiding a condescending tone towards someone who is just trying to help next time.

Still I broke my rule in this thread, because when I see stuff like a ridiculous cooler budget of $18 (similar to when I see people say they have $40 to spend on a PSU) I usually recommend something far better and somewhat out of their price range with the caveat "really, you can spend $800 on all your other parts but can't buck up an extra $xx for an extremely important part that makes the difference between whether your computer runs correctly or is completely useless". Should have done that, and for that I've failed in my advice here.

 

[Feliks]

Also (it's not sub $15 anyways), that cooler seems to have reviews all over mentioning it's quietness.. so how would it be that it's not quieter than stock? (@tiny voices)

I hope everyone realizes I'm not questioning their experience or opinions btw, and I hope you're not going to judge mine. I'll admit I haven't done much with aftermarket CPU coolers, and that is why I am here to ask. (I can read reviews though, and that one does seem to have pretty decent ones).

This would all have been a lot easier if Intel would post it's stock cooler's noise specs :v

 

[Darkbreeze]

If you go to Newegg and Amazon, you'll also see hundreds of positive reviews for the Corsair CX series power supplies, but we know from IN DEPTH reviews from professional sites, and the fact that we see about fifty or more of them per week in threads here, that have failed within 6 months to a year and half, that they are crap. So you take reviews and consider the source. IF it's a professional review from somebody with the experience and knowledge to make that assessment, then it's possibly true. If it's fifty NewEggers or Amazonians, then it's likely not trustworthy information except in cases where everybody is reporting the same problem, in which case, it's probably a problem.


I don't know what version of the 4590 you're referring to Rogue leader, but the Intel site lists only one desktop version that I can find, and it's 85w. Perhaps you're thinking of a mobile version, or else I don't know what it could be.

http://ark.intel.com/products/80815/Intel-Core-i5-4590-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

 

[Rogue Leader]

If you go to Newegg and Amazon, you'll also see hundreds of positive reviews for the Corsair CX series power supplies, but we know from IN DEPTH reviews from professional sites, and the fact that we see about fifty or more of them per week in threads here, that have failed within 6 months to a year and half, that they are crap. So you take reviews and consider the source. IF it's a professional review from somebody with the experience and knowledge to make that assessment, then it's possibly true. If it's fifty NewEggers or Amazonians, then it's likely not trustworthy information except in cases where everybody is reporting the same problem, in which case, it's probably a problem.


I don't know what version of the 4590 you're referring to Rogue leader, but the Intel site lists only one desktop version that I can find, and it's 85w. Perhaps you're thinking of a mobile version, or else I don't know what it could be.

http://ark.intel.com/products/80815/Intel-Core-i5-4590-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

http://ark.intel.com/products/80816/Intel-Core-i5-4590S-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116992&cm_re=i5_4590-_-19-116-992-_-Product

Regarding online reviews, truer words have never been spoken. I do the same thing, look for a common problem, to know that yep thats definitely a problem. Otherwise online reviews are junk.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ok, fair enough, except that, that is the 4590S, not the 4590, which is what the OP indicated he had. I'll give you half points on that one, but have to take off a full point for referencing a separate model number.

Unless of course the OP DOES have the 4590S, in which case he should have indicated that in this thread, and he is fired.


NOTE: I cannot fire anybody, but it feels good to say. Heh.

 

[Rogue Leader]

So I think we can agree we can wrap this up.

Feliks its the consensus of this group that unless you plan to purchase something like the Noctura NH-L9i there is no reason to replace your stock cooler. You will not see any temperature benefits, and more importantly your goal of lower sound will not be met. In short, don't waste the $18, both because its an $18 cooler and therefore not the best quality no matter the online reviews, and its not going to do what you want.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The fact is, that low profile CPU coolers of any worth at all, are generally more expensive than tower coolers that perform the same, or in most cases, better. So I agree that it's unlikely you will find anything that isn't a waste of money for less than the Cryorig or Noctua coolers listed above, at the height you need, unless you go with a liquid cooler, which again is going to be a larger investment for one with any reliability.

 

[Feliks]

I completely agree, especially with the example of the CX Series!

Okay. Put it this way lol, one question at a time.

Will that cooler most likely work as well as stock? <<<

(And also, keep in mind arguably Corsair is a crappy brand, at least with PSUs, while I have heard good things about Arctic Cooling as a brand, including professional sources)

 

[Feliks]

And no, I do not have the 4590S. I have the 4590 and as Darkbreeze stated, if I did have the 4590S I should have stated that in the beginning 😉

 

[Darkbreeze]

Here is what HardwareSecrets had to say about that cooler, and keep in mind, it's likely to not last as long as the stock cooler. The stock coolers may have less than desirable performance, but they're generally built to last, even if they don't have the best cooling performance when compared to reliable aftermarket models. AC however, makes pretty low end crap and I'd put them on par with companies like Raidmax or LEPA.

Conclusions

The Arctic Cooling Freezer 11 LP has a cheap aspect from the start, beginning with its package. This situation isn’t helped by the preapplied thermal compound or by the installation procedure without using a backplate.

The main problem, however, is that the Freezer 11 LP doesn’t provide a good performance. It kept our CPU about 10° C cooler than the Intel stock cooler, which is not too much considering this stock cooler is very "weak". On the other hand, the good news is that the Freezer 11 LP is a very quiet CPU cooler.

The only situation where the Freezer 11 LP can be a good choice is for near-silent HTPCs with low-profile cases and low-consuption CPUs. If this is not your case, you must look for a different product.

Read more at http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arctic-cooling-freezer-11-lp-cpu-cooler-review/8/#rDiZQkJttEiIRTFB.99

At 85w you're looking at almost the same as that units peak capability, and the 90w it's rated for IS peak, not sustained, At anything near that amount of sustained performance, you can bet the cooler will likely be dead due to motor fatigue or bearing failure within four to six months. You could always get lucky I suppose, but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Feliks]

Alright. Thanks guys. Darkbreeze, do you know how loud stock is for most Intel CPUs?

 

[Darkbreeze]

There are really no hard, fast numbers on the stock cooler acoustics that I've found. At idle or mid-load speeds, they're fairly quiet. At full, sustained loads, they're loud. Very loud. But all coolers are loud at full speed, it's just that larger coolers, or coolers with more efficient heatsinks and fans, don't need to run at full speed nearly as often or for as long as stock or cheap coolers do. Most halfway decent 120 or 140mm coolers, and a few of the 92mm coolers, won't every see loads that require them to run at full speed on a sustained basis, short of running stress tests. In cases where they do, they'll still tend to be significantly quieter than the average 80mm stock cooler simply due to the fact that even at full speeds, the RPM limitation is generally lower.

Still, pretty much all fans are irritating at full speed. Which is why using the largest fan and heatsink you can fit into your system is always a good option. It will tend to do the same job at a lower RPM which means less noise.

 

[tiny voices]

They are not loud at all. I have done alot of builds with the current stock intel cooler and they are not very loud. None have been noticeable over the GPU fans in the builds I have done.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Under full load, they're loud. Run Prime95 for about five minutes, once the stock fan has reached about four million RPM (Kidding) you'll see. Still, for any given load, they're louder than a decent 92-140mm unit by sheer fact of the reduced RPM without even factoring in better blade and heatsink designs.

I'll also add that you're going to see higher noise levels in most cases with just about any "top down" cooler over a tower style cooler, because of the way air movement is affected by the deflection of the motherboard. Tower coolers don't have this issue, since they blow horizontally rather than towards the motherboard. But clearly this isn't an option with your system and case.