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manolis kokotsakis said:
There are many videos and suggestions for debloat win 10 on youtube . Is a safe thing to do ? I know response of the pc will be faster, but any problem after that ?
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There are many extraneous items running, even in a stock install of Windows, that can be turned off for less overhead. If you are on a 'factory' install on a prebuilt like Dell, HP, etc. you absolutely should do a clean (stock from Microsoft) install and then work on the background apps and privacy settings and so forth.
 
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manolis kokotsakis said:
I learn thats why i ask now before i do anything. I dont risk. I just asked if there is any SAFE way, IF possible.
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Many many utube vids are absolute crap.

"Turn off all this to make your system run faster!!"

Sure...and leave it able to only run the OS. Nothing else.

Leave it alone.
If you see a specific "problem", then maybe we can address that.

But don't just follow some random video of what to do.
His use case is not yours, his parts are not yours, etc, etc, etc.

Leave it be. Windows is smarter than you might think.
 
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manolis kokotsakis said:
I learn thats why i ask now before i do anything. I dont risk. I just asked if there is any SAFE way, IF possible.
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You clearly do risk because you keep doing this over and over again.

The answer to this is no. The answer to your next ten topics asking the identical question in slightly different ways is also no. With the amount of time and energy you've spent breaking your system repeatedly, you could've learned or improved a real skill that might have actually helped you with something.
 
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Colif said:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-4600u-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-30-ghz.html
dual core doesn't help. 2 cores/4 threads.

Your problem isn't really windows, its the CPU. if you ask too much of it, its only got so much it can do at once.
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Your experience in windows won't get any better playing with software. The problem is your hardware is clearly struggling to keep up with your demands on it. You have 12gb of ram so its not storage but CPU can only do so much. Removing processes isn't the answer to getting your CPU to not be maxed all the time.

Only real answer is new hardware really.
 
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I will not do anything, I just asked.
I am not expert , but i clearly understand that Mcrosoft put on the OS many features that users dont need . Even if i have i9 2021, i would look for the same qustions for go a bit deeper to win 10 or 11 functionality.

But because i did many mistakes in the past, i thought ask you first.Thats all.
 
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manolis kokotsakis said:
I will not do anything, I just asked.
I am not expert , but i clearly understand that Mcrosoft put on the OS many features that users dont need . Even if i have i9 2021, i would look for the same qustions for go a bit deeper to win 10 or 11 functionality.

But because i did many mistakes in the past, i thought ask you first.Thats all.
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The fundamental problem that you're not grasping is "don't need" is far from "should remove." That the OS has many features most people don't need is irrelevant because the vast majority of features that people don't need and don't use have essentially zero impact on performance or usability. You have this utter fiction in your head that there are all these things in Windows that you're not using that are holding you back, which just plain isn't true.

My Subaru has a built-in roof rack that I have never used and will likely never use. I don't take a hatchet to the roof of my car to remove it, because it has zero impact on my acceleration, my mileage, or anything. Similarly, I also don't take a crowbar and pry out the glasses holder or the hook for a carseat, neither of which I use, and neither of which have any consequence to having and not using.

If there's something that's holding you back -- other than the fact you keep altering your OS for absolutely no reason -- it's your hardware. Not these features you're not using. You need to get this idea completely out of your head and move on with your life.
 
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manolis kokotsakis said:
Even if i have i9 2021, i would look for the same qustions for go a bit deeper to win 10 or 11 functionality.
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if you had an I9 2021 you would not notice those parts of windows running at all. You could look but it wouldn't make PC any faster turning them off... might just lead you back here with a broken install

Provided the PC also had 16gb of ram (more than you need but 12gb is an odd amount) and enough storage, the i9 has enough cores to easily deal with background tasks that might bring your 2 core CPU to its knees.

2 cores 4 threads vs 8 cores 16 threads isn't even fair. its 4 times more powerful just right there, without taking into account improvements and fact desktop CPU can run over 5ghz all cores, laptops not so much. Its not just a simple matter of more cores.

Cores vs threads explained

12gb of ram makes me think its not even in dual channel.
Dual channel RAM is simply faster than single channel RAM.
In short, single Channel RAM operates on a single 64-bit data channel. Meaning it has 64bits to use at one time. Dual Channel RAM can operate up two 64-bit data channels, doubling it's POTENTIAL speed.
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dual core CPU running with single channel ram shouldn't be compared to an I9 8 core cpu with ram running in dual channel.

At least you have an ssd though it might not be helping as you would expect.

Debloating windows makes no sense regardless of the endless videos about it on Youtube.

If your PC is fast enough you won't notice any improvement turning anything off. If your hardware is holding you back, fixing windows isn't the answer.
 
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Debloating Windows, car comparison:

There's a guy in town advertising he can get you better gas mileage.
You take your car there and leave it.
You have no idea what he will actually do, but you saw on a utube vid that people have gotten good results.
2 Days later, you pick it up.

After driving for a while, you've noticed you're getting 0.8MPG better mileage.

What did he actually do?

Weight is a major factor in mileage:
He removed the door guard beams.
Removed the spare tire and jack.
Removed the whole airbag system.
Removed the back seat.

Engine load debloat:
Removed the AC compressor
Extremely low viscosity oil

Air and rolling resistance:
Remove the side mirrors.
Pump the tires up to 75PSI

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Would you ride in such a car? I certainly wouldn't.
But its getting a teeny bit better performance, right? Nothing you'd actually notice, but...."better".

But that is not far from what these utube debloat things might do behind the scenes.
 
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I used to follow the suggestions on Black Viper

Black Viper's Windows 10 Service Configurations - Black Viper | BlackViper.Com

www.blackviper.com www.blackviper.com

about what services to switch off. I have not done this recently because my computer hardware tends to be faster, and fast enough, but I am tempted.

There seem to be quite a lot of services that are simply inapplicable to my situation but they may make little difference to performance, and I have turned off something that I subsequently needed in the past.
 
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I have used that website in the past but as we have said, if your hardware is fast enough you really don't need to do any of this. There is some evidence removing some of the unessential services (Xbox and Cortana) can speed up other apps. Really depends on what you use PC for as to if the speed gain is worth it. Some people seem addicted to benchmark results.
 
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timtak said:
I used to follow the suggestions on Black Viper

Black Viper's Windows 10 Service Configurations - Black Viper | BlackViper.Com

www.blackviper.com www.blackviper.com

about what services to switch off. I have not done this recently because my computer hardware tends to be faster, and fast enough, but I am tempted.

There seem to be quite a lot of services that are simply inapplicable to my situation but they may make little difference to performance, and I have turned off something that I subsequently needed in the past.
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Not running specific services is a far different thing than "debloating" your system. I too have, in the past, disabled many of the same services that are recommended to be disabled by Black Viper but again, that's an entirely different can of worms. And, you had better know EXACTLY what you are doing before you EVER start disabling anything in services.
 
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Colif said:
I wonder if its a placebo and the act of doing something makes you think its faster. Much like benchmark results aren't always represented by real world behaviour. Getting bigger numbers doesn't always mean its better.
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This I can relate to. that gray stuff between the ears can do funny things.

I was working maintenance at a warehouse all forklifts were set to 5mph per company policy. I had one guy that would bring me his lift every morning and ask me to speed it up. I would tell him I could get fired for it but if he would bring it back at the end of his shift so I could slow it back down I would.

I tell him he can't watch, put in the code, go to performance and bump it up to 6.5mph then let him see the change then I would key it off and rekey it. That way nothing was saved because you had to go to the next step to where it said save changes Y or N so it was still 5mph. At the end of the day he would bring it back and say thanks man I got a lot more work done when actually nothing was changed.

EDIT before the grammar police get me ( @Darkbreeze )
 
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Darkbreeze won't be the person who EVER knicks you for that kind of thing, besides which, I'm not a moderator anymore thanks to the powers that be. But, I DID drive a forklift for a LOT of years at a military food distribution warehouse (Spillman's Inc. in Livermore, CA) and also for the E.R Carpenter company in Manteca, Ca who makes 90% of the material used in carpet cushion and mattresses in the US. Or at least they USED to, at that time. And I can tell you that I understand the frustration of ANY forklift operator who is limited in that way. I used to load three FULL trailers, EVERY hour. At 5mph, there is no way that could happen and this guy is likely dealing with "UOOUOUOU" from both sides of the aisle. I would quit and move to a company who actually understands that you have to have unlimited ability to get <Mod Edit> done, in order to get <Mod Edit> done, on a time table that coincides with the timetable the drivers need to to have happen. Period. So yes, you ARE helping him. And my advice would be, if you can do so, keep doing it, but not if it will get you in trouble.
 
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SWMBO works at one of the large wholesale clubs.

I often joke about getting a job there as a forklift driver.

I can see the interview:
"Do you have any experience driving a forklift?"

'Well, no, not directly. But I did similar with trailers loaded with 40,000lbs of high explosives. Pretty sure I can handle a pallet of mustard.'
 
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