Discussion Win 11: Whats the rush?

[xenthia]

TPM is a double bladed sword:
It is more secure against hackers and malware, but users will fall under the control of Microsoft!
Microsoft will choose what can be installed on your PC.
They can ban apps!
They might even decide to delete programs that are already installed!
(Think of what Apple did to both Tumblr and Parler).

PS: I hope that I’m wrong...

I think they already had this privilege and ability. Case in point the EMET app which if you wanted to install Microsoft would not let you do it on Windows 10, which simply suggests how easy it has always been for Microsoft to prevent users from installing some software or packages.

While TPM implementation certainly opens Microsoft's hands wider and gives them more room doing such actions, the one additional thing would be that the users are at least now more protected against those who think they are out smarting users by manipulating chips on boards to spy on many users.

 

[xenthia]

I believe that Microsoft’s plan is to make the PC boot and be checked online instantaneously.
Microsoft’s cloud will have the encrypted keys of everyone.
If something’s wrong with the bootloader, they’ll know it.

The whole point of TPM is that the keys are never to leave the chip. Only manifests or verifications leave the chip, unless you manually request the keys, in which case only some parts of the keys are actually retrievable from TPM.

But yes I fully agree with you, over the past years it has been proven that nothing is more dangerous than the cloud. The hackers simply need access to one of your devices or they need access to the cloud to control your whole life, or all it takes is an angry or paid off or about-to-be-fired employee and the hackers control all your devices from the cloud. So yes you are right about the many problems of the cloud and it seems some part of the industry are moving from the cloud to decentralized distributed platforms.

 

[Deleted member 14196]

At this point, I'm really hoping the wine devs keep working hard so one day I can jump ship and never look back. All I need is a runtime environment for my programs.

Well dream on

 

[Pc6777]

Yeah, it’s bad when someone else has the control over YOUR device.

"Your" device

 

[hotaru.hino]

That's why Microsoft should appeal to everyone and have hidden settings for people who don't want to be confined. Or instead of requiring tpm, make it optional and highly recommend it for use cases were security is very important.

The first problem: you can't appeal to everyone.

Other other problem: the moment someone discovers how to use these hidden settings, it'll be plastered all over the internet and anyone who remotely thinks they're an expert will unlock it, do things they don't understand to their computer, and then blame Microsoft for making a crappy OS. There are too many people who think they can make their OS better by mucking with settings and digging into places where they have maybe a glancing understanding of what it is, only to invite themselves to making things worse.

There's an OS for people who don't want any of this: Linux. The only reason to stick with Windows, from what I've seen anyway with a lot of people, is to play games.

Besides that, that's only part of the equation. The various hardware you use have firmware, none of which is either open source or accessible. While I'm sure the folks at System76 have done a lot to alleviate this, there's simply mountains to climb before anyone has "true control" over their hardware.

 

[RyzenNoob]

There isn’t a rush on my behalf, it’s still beta

 

[Colif]

win 10 finished version was approx 1909, last 3 versions have just been bug fixes. So judging by that history, Win 11 will exit beta about 4 years after release... 1 year before win 12 is due to be announced. Its never finished, its always in beta.

Shame win 10 EOL is 2025 or you could just wait a year and get win 12. If that time scale was accurate.

 

[Pc6777]

Other other problem: the moment someone discovers how to use these hidden settings, it'll be plastered all over the internet and anyone who remotely thinks they're an expert will unlock it, do things they don't understand to their computer, and then blame Microsoft for making a crappy OS. There are too many people who think they can make their OS better by mucking with settings and digging into places where they have maybe a glancing understanding of what it is, only to invite themselves to making things worse.

There's an OS for people who don't want any of this: Linux. The only reason to stick with Windows, from what I've seen anyway with a lot of people, is to play games.

Besides that, that's only part of the equation. The various hardware you use have firmware, none of which is either open source or accessible. While I'm sure the folks at System76 have done a lot to alleviate this, there's simply mountains to climb before anyone has "true control" over their hardware.
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i shouldn't be punished because not everyone can "handle" advanced settings that can do damage. in widnows 10 they have gpedit which I use to do some "advanced" stuff, im hoping they also have gpedity in 11 and tools to disable windows defender (for my offline only boot that will never touch the internet).

 

[Colif]

gpedit is only in the pro version on 10, I can't see them removing it from Pro. I expect much of it will be the same underneath the UI changes. Pro will still have way more access.

We don't have any details yet on the differences between Home & Pro. Still not clear if bitlocker is being moved to Home.

 

[Pc6777]

gpedit is only in the pro version on 10, I can't see them removing it from Pro. I expect much of it will be the same underneath the UI changes. Pro will still have way more access.

We don't have any details yet on the differences between Home & Pro. Still not clear if bitlocker is being moved to Home.

I only use pro, and on my offline win boot there is no need to activate beacuase I guess Microsoft gives you the benefit of the doubt if you never connect to activation servers, so as long as I have a gpu with win 10 drivers I will always be able to run 10 and only use 11 for future programs that require 11, even after support ends I can use 10 offline indefinitely or maybe even use it online as long as I'm not dumb and download things/go to untrusted sites. When support ends for 10 I will probably run 10 with vms of 11 and use both for different things. I think the only way to make local accounts on 11 is pro, which is a slap in the face beacuase almost all OEM PC's will come with home and they are going to force almost everyone to make a Microsoft account to promote their garbage app store that almost nobody uses. And Microsoft is buying up big games and studios(Bethesda and Minecraft) to get people on their store, they will force people to use their store to play their favorite games.