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At first glance this seems like it might be even less configurable than the Windows 10 start menu which itself was slightly less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu.
Pardon the heck out of me.Windows had rounded corners in XP and Vista.
I've been doing the same since even before that.I have been developing windows-based code since NT was in beta and I like XP and W7 the best by far. Since them it has been all downhill with the UI as far as I'm concerned. If I didn't have the ClassicShell I would go nuts with W10. I sure hope it works in W11.
Hundreds of thousands of affected users isn't even a percent of the install base Windows 10 has now. Besides that, how do you expect Microsoft to test potentially hundreds of thousands of configurations for issues? How can you expect Microsoft to test millions of combinations of configurations? I would really love to hear how you plan on having a 100% success rate across a billion different computers.Microsoft's update QA has gone from being bad to becoming a raging dumpster fire with Windows 10. It was only a month ago that Microsoft broke the Outlook app for tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people around the globe with an update. Funny, when Windows 10 was first announced Microsoft said that it would be the last desktop Windows version, which would allow them to focus more on the quality of updates/upgrades. Of course, now we know that even them saying that Windows 10 would be the last desktop version was also a lie.
Maybe they finally integrate ALL control panel options in one location intelligently accessed because we're not all idiots who can't handle settings. I'm still hoping someday my AD manager doesn't keep being removed by every dang windows "feature update". This is on enterprise machines, what a joke.
Okaaay. So my previous statement stands?? You seem to have moved past your original 'blaming the users' stance.Hundreds of thousands of affected users isn't even a percent of the install base Windows 10 has now. Besides that, how do you expect Microsoft to test potentially hundreds of thousands of configurations for issues? How can you expect Microsoft to test millions of combinations of configurations? I would really love to hear how you plan on having a 100% success rate across a billion different computers.
It was stated in one of the flurry of product announcement videos Microsoft put out just before Windows 10 was released. Someone on the dev/technology side stated it and specifically said that Windows updates/upgrades would be better because of it. I don't remember which one and am not going to look for it but I watched it live at the time.Also the whole thing about "The last Windows" or whatever was said by a guy who's sole job at the time was to hype up the product, said in a conference meant for developers and IT professionals, and the only thing the media quoted apparently was simply "the last version of Windows". There was no other context, at least from what I can find, in which to figure out what that actually meant.
I too immediately thought "sure looks like my Linux system at home, docked positioned icons and all". Plus, I can choose between 4 different app launcher/system menus in my Linux distro.Windows had rounded corners in XP and Vista.
I really don't see reason for this OS. Just because some small design changes there's no reason to make a new Windows. For Windows 11 I would expect something drastically different, but just because some silly rounded corners and a few design changes to make a new OS is stupid imo and to be honest I don't even like those design changes. Judging by screenshots it looks very similar to 10, just with a small design change.
I also dislike these rounded corners. Our monitor corners aren't rounded, they're squire and I think these rounded corners don't fit in design. They seem out of place. I also don't like how window is completely separated from the taskbar when you click start. Also, I see that they are trying to mimic Mac OS by placing taskbar in the center. I don't like it either. So, in short, I don't like these new changes at all and don't see the reason to make a whole new OS because of these design changes. Heck, they didn't even complete redesigning of Windows 10 (I'm talking of some areas that are still migrated from Windows 7 like control panel for example).
In short, Windows 11 seems a rushed, copycat of Windows 10 with a slightly different design that they took from Mac OS.
I think you're right that the Windows 11 start menu does look less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. I also don't like the amount of space dedicated to recommended apps and the excessive padding. Microsoft's recommendations do not interest me, period. They're really annoying to dismiss frequently. What Microsoft is doing with start in Windows 11 does look like a step back in terms of usability compared to 10, 7, and previous Windows iterations. It looks like Microsoft wants to push a mashup of Windows 8 and MacOS.At first glance this seems like it might be even less configurable than the Windows 10 start menu which itself was slightly less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu.
I think you're right that the Windows 11 start menu does look less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. I also don't like the amount of space dedicated to recommended apps and the excessive padding. Microsoft's recommendations do not interest me, period. They're really annoying to dismiss frequently. What Microsoft is doing with start in Windows 11 does look like a step back in terms of usability compared to 10, 7, and previous Windows iterations. It looks like Microsoft wants to push a mashup of Windows 8 and MacOS.
However, I take issue with your characterization that the Windows 10 start menu is less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. The Windows 10 start is in a really good place right now. User-customizable columns that can scroll if you want, multiple sizes for shortcut tiles, some live tiles that can actually display useful information (mainly the weather tile in the larger, 5-day display), categories, and program folders that you can still edit and rearrange to avoid the application icon dumping ground found in other operating systems. Seriously: Windows 10's start menu is the most usable UI component Microsoft has produced for Windows.
I love how you say "almost never"Sometimes I wonder what people do to their systems to get them in that state because I've almost never encountered serious problems.
and yet still garbage.However, I take issue with your characterization that the Windows 10 start menu is less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. The Windows 10 start is in a really good place right now. User-customizable columns that can scroll if you want, multiple sizes for shortcut tiles, some live tiles that can actually display useful information (mainly the weather tile in the larger, 5-day display), categories, and program folders that you can still edit and rearrange to avoid the application icon dumping ground found in other operating systems. Seriously: Windows 10's start menu is the most usable UI component Microsoft has produced for Windows.
For me, that weather tile (in large mode) is the only live tile I actively use. I much prefer having the weather info tucked away in the start menu than showing up on the task bar or somewhere else like an old Gnome applet. I only need to look at weather temporarily, once or twice a day. I want weather info out of my way when I don't care about it. That tile is always showing the today and the next 4 days. Not sure if that 5-day forecast is standard or something I configured so long ago I forgot about it.and yet still garbage.
Live tiles? so you open your start menu to look at the weather tile? Even microsoft is retooling that with their new weather/news/applet thing down by the tray.
Personally that's useful, though I prefer even more simply having it in my browser's status tray.. takes a split second to look at it .. and if I have multiple browser windows open, I can look down there at any one of them .. no Windows Key Press to activate the menu for a live tile that won't give you enough information from a glance ... I've got now, tonight, and tomorrow visible .. I even have buttons next to them to allow me to on-hoever get a radar view, an hourly stack / popup, and then a quick access button to the 5 day forcast... does your live tile do all that?
Do you pin programs to start? I do this with all the programs I frequently or infrequently actually use. The more frequent, the bigger the icon/tile. All the infrequent stuff is small. Art programs are in their own tile cluster/category, dev stuff is clustered, and other utilities and stuff are organized there. Maybe this is not something most people do. I'm very happy with the customization though. Sure beats what Windows 10 launched with!Lets look at the all programs menu and is all forced alphabetic line up .. in the previous menu systems (7 and older) just like in Explorer when you show files and folders in detail view .. the FOLDERS were first .. then errant (un-foldered) icons .. and if you wanted say .. microsoft word .. it woudl be under the Microsoft Office folder .. a quick click or highlight .. or if that was too much for you .. simply pin to the start bar, or start menu
Windows 10 ? current? .. every icon folder or not .. alphabettic ... how is that useful? maybe for idiots that aren't use to organzing their icons and apps and documents in an orderly fashion .. so that you could logically find them again .. oh but I forget .. thats why all the non-users or very casual / "i'm not a geek" users could simply use search .. to waste half their live away rather than neatly storing things for file cabinet-esq access later ..
lazy, lack luster, filled with useless glitz that wastes time .. and on a menu.. (sigh)
For me, that weather tile (in large mode) is the only live tile I actively use. I much prefer having the weather info tucked away in the start menu than showing up on the task bar or somewhere else like an old Gnome applet. I only need to look at weather temporarily, once or twice a day. I want weather info out of my way when I don't care about it. That tile is always showing the today and the next 4 days. Not sure if that 5-day forecast is standard or something I configured so long ago I forgot about it.
Do you pin programs to start? I do this with all the programs I frequently or infrequently actually use. The more frequent, the bigger the icon/tile. All the infrequent stuff is small. Art programs are in their own tile cluster/category, dev stuff is clustered, and other utilities and stuff are organized there. Maybe this is not something most people do. I'm very happy with the customization though. Sure beats what Windows 10 launched with!
Personally, I almost never use the alphabetical list. That list is a dumping ground for icons and folders -- the kind of thing I'm concerned Microsoft is going to make more annoying with their new MacOS and Windows 3.1-inspired start window. This is why I find Windows 10 to be in a great spot with regards to the start menu. You can customize the tiles in different sizes, categories, and columns. You can dig through the all programs list if you want to. You can search if you want web results instead of the program name you just typed in -- something for everyone. Just seems like Windows 10's current UI is far more flexible than most other Windows UI implementations and most mainstream Linux implementations. Windows 11 looks like a regression.