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At first glance this seems like it might be even less configurable than the Windows 10 start menu which itself was slightly less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu.
 
I have been developing windows-based code since NT was in beta and I like XP and W7 the best by far. Since them it has been all downhill with the UI as far as I'm concerned. If I didn't have the ClassicShell I would go nuts with W10. I sure hope it works in W11.
I've been doing the same since even before that.
And I really really don't care what the corners look like. Or indeed the rest of the OS.

New Windows version takes maybe a week to get used to, and then move on.
 
oh for f's sake MS...

WIN8 got HOW much rage at you changign start menu to be more tablet/touch friendly???

So bad you changed it to normal taskbar in 8.1 and kept it in 10.

WHY did you think changing it to be ouch friendly/tablet liek again would work this time??????


A desktop user who doesnt use touch wants a vertical start bar.
 
Microsoft's update QA has gone from being bad to becoming a raging dumpster fire with Windows 10. It was only a month ago that Microsoft broke the Outlook app for tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people around the globe with an update. Funny, when Windows 10 was first announced Microsoft said that it would be the last desktop Windows version, which would allow them to focus more on the quality of updates/upgrades. Of course, now we know that even them saying that Windows 10 would be the last desktop version was also a lie.
Hundreds of thousands of affected users isn't even a percent of the install base Windows 10 has now. Besides that, how do you expect Microsoft to test potentially hundreds of thousands of configurations for issues? How can you expect Microsoft to test millions of combinations of configurations? I would really love to hear how you plan on having a 100% success rate across a billion different computers.

Also the whole thing about "The last Windows" or whatever was said by a guy who's sole job at the time was to hype up the product, said in a conference meant for developers and IT professionals, and the only thing the media quoted apparently was simply "the last version of Windows". There was no other context, at least from what I can find, in which to figure out what that actually meant.
 
As long as they have better scaling options, I don't really care how they re-arrange the UI... That being said I'm still a fan of XP's UI: fast, clean and just with enough customization to change it how you please.

I wish they went back to simple designs with less bloated/shiny crap no one really needs. Less is more!

Regards.
 
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Maybe they finally integrate ALL control panel options in one location intelligently accessed because we're not all idiots who can't handle settings. I'm still hoping someday my AD manager doesn't keep being removed by every dang windows "feature update". This is on enterprise machines, what a joke.

The problem was and still is that old programs looks setting at the different place than modern programs, so they have to use two locations for comoability sake… or they have to ditch compability… and they don`t do that.
 
I really don't see reason for this OS. Just because some small design changes there's no reason to make a new Windows. For Windows 11 I would expect something drastically different, but just because some silly rounded corners and a few design changes to make a new OS is stupid imo and to be honest I don't even like those design changes. Judging by screenshots it looks very similar to 10, just with a small design change.

I also dislike these rounded corners. Our monitor corners aren't rounded, they're squire and I think these rounded corners don't fit in design. They seem out of place. I also don't like how window is completely separated from the taskbar when you click start. Also, I see that they are trying to mimic Mac OS by placing taskbar in the center. I don't like it either. So, in short, I don't like these new changes at all and don't see the reason to make a whole new OS because of these design changes. Heck, they didn't even complete redesigning of Windows 10 (I'm talking of some areas that are still migrated from Windows 7 like control panel for example).

In short, Windows 11 seems a rushed, copycat of Windows 10 with a slightly different design that they took from Mac OS.
 
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And when I d/l it, and decide it's not much different from (as screwed-up as) Win10, and then get Classic Shell again, what will be different for me? What's the Win11 upgrade value-added gonna be? Not too much I expect.
 
Hundreds of thousands of affected users isn't even a percent of the install base Windows 10 has now. Besides that, how do you expect Microsoft to test potentially hundreds of thousands of configurations for issues? How can you expect Microsoft to test millions of combinations of configurations? I would really love to hear how you plan on having a 100% success rate across a billion different computers.
Okaaay. So my previous statement stands?? You seem to have moved past your original 'blaming the users' stance.

So your current argument is that "because the task is monumental we should give Microsoft a pass and say that it's okay for them to produce crappy, bug-ridden updates." Is this right? If so, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that front.

My point is precisley because Microsoft is in the position they are in that they should put much more emphasis (and money) into QA. For starters, the update/upgrade 'Insider Ring' should be promoted more (maybe even give something to those who participate to get many more on board) and its trial length should last twice as long. Of course, that wouldn't have stopped the latest Microsoft Outlook issue because that updated wasn't even previewed before release!

As far as testing goes, they can greatly expand the test-user base and length of time a certain update (or group of updates) is tested. This would definitely help to avoid the most severe bugs. Also, let's go one step further than your 'billion different computers' and say a billion different configurations on a billion different computers. This is where AI could really help out. I'm not saying it will be easy or cheap, but Microsoft has the money and has (or can hire) the manpower to make it happen. Microsoft Windows is the dominant personal computer operating system by a huge margin. In my eyes, Microsoft owes its users a finished product with each Windows update/upgrade. In its current iteration, Windows update just makes me feel like a beta tester.

A good example of how to do it right would be Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019. I get all of the security and critical updates to make my OS as secure (actually more secure) as the very latest Windows 10 release and I suffer none of the feature update bugs that plague users twice a year. Of course, Microsoft is now changing how the LTSC versions work, their interoperability with Microsoft Office, and their length of support so even that option is becoming less attractive because Microsoft doesn't seem to want users to just have an operating system that works.

Also the whole thing about "The last Windows" or whatever was said by a guy who's sole job at the time was to hype up the product, said in a conference meant for developers and IT professionals, and the only thing the media quoted apparently was simply "the last version of Windows". There was no other context, at least from what I can find, in which to figure out what that actually meant.
It was stated in one of the flurry of product announcement videos Microsoft put out just before Windows 10 was released. Someone on the dev/technology side stated it and specifically said that Windows updates/upgrades would be better because of it. I don't remember which one and am not going to look for it but I watched it live at the time.

I'm not downing Microsoft Windows as a whole. I built my whole career on Windows desktop and server products. I'm just saying that Microsoft could do better - way, waaaay better.
I'm also not going to derail this thread anymore. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
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I really don't see reason for this OS. Just because some small design changes there's no reason to make a new Windows. For Windows 11 I would expect something drastically different, but just because some silly rounded corners and a few design changes to make a new OS is stupid imo and to be honest I don't even like those design changes. Judging by screenshots it looks very similar to 10, just with a small design change.

I also dislike these rounded corners. Our monitor corners aren't rounded, they're squire and I think these rounded corners don't fit in design. They seem out of place. I also don't like how window is completely separated from the taskbar when you click start. Also, I see that they are trying to mimic Mac OS by placing taskbar in the center. I don't like it either. So, in short, I don't like these new changes at all and don't see the reason to make a whole new OS because of these design changes. Heck, they didn't even complete redesigning of Windows 10 (I'm talking of some areas that are still migrated from Windows 7 like control panel for example).

In short, Windows 11 seems a rushed, copycat of Windows 10 with a slightly different design that they took from Mac OS.

Our phone screens are rounded now. Monitors could very well go in that direction. But that's not the point.

The interface design choice is not the issue, it's Microsoft's inability to make it consistent. Microsoft has NEVER made a complete UI design, ever. There are still icons in Windows 10 from Windows 3.1 days. They have transparency some places, and other places that should have it, don't. Right click on the start menu looks radically different than right click in explorer. This list goes on. Apple has always done a much better job in flushing out UI design on their products.
 
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At first glance this seems like it might be even less configurable than the Windows 10 start menu which itself was slightly less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu.
I think you're right that the Windows 11 start menu does look less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. I also don't like the amount of space dedicated to recommended apps and the excessive padding. Microsoft's recommendations do not interest me, period. They're really annoying to dismiss frequently. What Microsoft is doing with start in Windows 11 does look like a step back in terms of usability compared to 10, 7, and previous Windows iterations. It looks like Microsoft wants to push a mashup of Windows 8 and MacOS.

However, I take issue with your characterization that the Windows 10 start menu is less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. The Windows 10 start is in a really good place right now. User-customizable columns that can scroll if you want, multiple sizes for shortcut tiles, some live tiles that can actually display useful information (mainly the weather tile in the larger, 5-day display), categories, and program folders that you can still edit and rearrange to avoid the application icon dumping ground found in other operating systems. Seriously: Windows 10's start menu is the most usable UI component Microsoft has produced for Windows.
 
I think you're right that the Windows 11 start menu does look less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. I also don't like the amount of space dedicated to recommended apps and the excessive padding. Microsoft's recommendations do not interest me, period. They're really annoying to dismiss frequently. What Microsoft is doing with start in Windows 11 does look like a step back in terms of usability compared to 10, 7, and previous Windows iterations. It looks like Microsoft wants to push a mashup of Windows 8 and MacOS.

However, I take issue with your characterization that the Windows 10 start menu is less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. The Windows 10 start is in a really good place right now. User-customizable columns that can scroll if you want, multiple sizes for shortcut tiles, some live tiles that can actually display useful information (mainly the weather tile in the larger, 5-day display), categories, and program folders that you can still edit and rearrange to avoid the application icon dumping ground found in other operating systems. Seriously: Windows 10's start menu is the most usable UI component Microsoft has produced for Windows.

Can't change tiles. That's literally the kindergarden / grade school entry level of customization. No, the Windows 10 start menu is a joke when it comes to customization. At least Windows 8 let you use whatever image file you wanted for the tiles (with some effort), Windows 10 removed that over half a decade ago and has never given that option back.
 
Sometimes I wonder what people do to their systems to get them in that state because I've almost never encountered serious problems.
I love how you say "almost never"
One point that the previous poster mentioned was Defender .. I would guess then you didn't have any servers you maintain, that were except by the good graces of god microsoft you didn't have 8 or more GIGs of hard drive space lost, simply because a DLL was updated by your god .. and Defender started creating millions of files in its Scans\History folder that were 700 to 1400 bytes in size .. but oh .. occupying a 4k block as minimum.

I don't get people like you .. you jump into a forum, post <Mod Edit> assuming the users did it to themselves but yet still have the gall to say "almost never"

almost never means you HAVE had something happen .. you don't believe you caused it or maybe you do .. and you assume everyone else causes their OWN Problems with Microsoft?

Wake up and smell what you're shoveling sir.
 
However, I take issue with your characterization that the Windows 10 start menu is less configurable than the Windows 7 start menu. The Windows 10 start is in a really good place right now. User-customizable columns that can scroll if you want, multiple sizes for shortcut tiles, some live tiles that can actually display useful information (mainly the weather tile in the larger, 5-day display), categories, and program folders that you can still edit and rearrange to avoid the application icon dumping ground found in other operating systems. Seriously: Windows 10's start menu is the most usable UI component Microsoft has produced for Windows.
and yet still garbage.
Live tiles? so you open your start menu to look at the weather tile? Even microsoft is retooling that with their new weather/news/applet thing down by the tray.
Personally that's useful, though I prefer even more simply having it in my browser's status tray.. takes a split second to look at it .. and if I have multiple browser windows open, I can look down there at any one of them .. no Windows Key Press to activate the menu for a live tile that won't give you enough information from a glance ... I've got now, tonight, and tomorrow visible .. I even have buttons next to them to allow me to on-hoever get a radar view, an hourly stack / popup, and then a quick access button to the 5 day forcast... does your live tile do all that?

Lets look at the all programs menu and is all forced alphabetic line up .. in the previous menu systems (7 and older) just like in Explorer when you show files and folders in detail view .. the FOLDERS were first .. then errant (un-foldered) icons .. and if you wanted say .. microsoft word .. it woudl be under the Microsoft Office folder .. a quick click or highlight .. or if that was too much for you .. simply pin to the start bar, or start menu

Windows 10 ? current? .. every icon folder or not .. alphabettic ... how is that useful? maybe for idiots that aren't use to organzing their icons and apps and documents in an orderly fashion .. so that you could logically find them again .. oh but I forget .. thats why all the non-users or very casual / "i'm not a geek" users could simply use search .. to waste half their live away rather than neatly storing things for file cabinet-esq access later ..

lazy, lack luster, filled with useless glitz that wastes time .. and on a menu.. (sigh)
 
and yet still garbage.
Live tiles? so you open your start menu to look at the weather tile? Even microsoft is retooling that with their new weather/news/applet thing down by the tray.
Personally that's useful, though I prefer even more simply having it in my browser's status tray.. takes a split second to look at it .. and if I have multiple browser windows open, I can look down there at any one of them .. no Windows Key Press to activate the menu for a live tile that won't give you enough information from a glance ... I've got now, tonight, and tomorrow visible .. I even have buttons next to them to allow me to on-hoever get a radar view, an hourly stack / popup, and then a quick access button to the 5 day forcast... does your live tile do all that?
For me, that weather tile (in large mode) is the only live tile I actively use. I much prefer having the weather info tucked away in the start menu than showing up on the task bar or somewhere else like an old Gnome applet. I only need to look at weather temporarily, once or twice a day. I want weather info out of my way when I don't care about it. That tile is always showing the today and the next 4 days. Not sure if that 5-day forecast is standard or something I configured so long ago I forgot about it.

Lets look at the all programs menu and is all forced alphabetic line up .. in the previous menu systems (7 and older) just like in Explorer when you show files and folders in detail view .. the FOLDERS were first .. then errant (un-foldered) icons .. and if you wanted say .. microsoft word .. it woudl be under the Microsoft Office folder .. a quick click or highlight .. or if that was too much for you .. simply pin to the start bar, or start menu

Windows 10 ? current? .. every icon folder or not .. alphabettic ... how is that useful? maybe for idiots that aren't use to organzing their icons and apps and documents in an orderly fashion .. so that you could logically find them again .. oh but I forget .. thats why all the non-users or very casual / "i'm not a geek" users could simply use search .. to waste half their live away rather than neatly storing things for file cabinet-esq access later ..

lazy, lack luster, filled with useless glitz that wastes time .. and on a menu.. (sigh)
Do you pin programs to start? I do this with all the programs I frequently or infrequently actually use. The more frequent, the bigger the icon/tile. All the infrequent stuff is small. Art programs are in their own tile cluster/category, dev stuff is clustered, and other utilities and stuff are organized there. Maybe this is not something most people do. I'm very happy with the customization though. Sure beats what Windows 10 launched with!

Personally, I almost never use the alphabetical list. That list is a dumping ground for icons and folders -- the kind of thing I'm concerned Microsoft is going to make more annoying with their new MacOS and Windows 3.1-inspired start window. This is why I find Windows 10 to be in a great spot with regards to the start menu. You can customize the tiles in different sizes, categories, and columns. You can dig through the all programs list if you want to. You can search if you want web results instead of the program name you just typed in -- something for everyone. Just seems like Windows 10's current UI is far more flexible than most other Windows UI implementations and most mainstream Linux implementations. Windows 11 looks like a regression.
 
For me, that weather tile (in large mode) is the only live tile I actively use. I much prefer having the weather info tucked away in the start menu than showing up on the task bar or somewhere else like an old Gnome applet. I only need to look at weather temporarily, once or twice a day. I want weather info out of my way when I don't care about it. That tile is always showing the today and the next 4 days. Not sure if that 5-day forecast is standard or something I configured so long ago I forgot about it.


Do you pin programs to start? I do this with all the programs I frequently or infrequently actually use. The more frequent, the bigger the icon/tile. All the infrequent stuff is small. Art programs are in their own tile cluster/category, dev stuff is clustered, and other utilities and stuff are organized there. Maybe this is not something most people do. I'm very happy with the customization though. Sure beats what Windows 10 launched with!

Personally, I almost never use the alphabetical list. That list is a dumping ground for icons and folders -- the kind of thing I'm concerned Microsoft is going to make more annoying with their new MacOS and Windows 3.1-inspired start window. This is why I find Windows 10 to be in a great spot with regards to the start menu. You can customize the tiles in different sizes, categories, and columns. You can dig through the all programs list if you want to. You can search if you want web results instead of the program name you just typed in -- something for everyone. Just seems like Windows 10's current UI is far more flexible than most other Windows UI implementations and most mainstream Linux implementations. Windows 11 looks like a regression.

Tiles are uncustomizable. Resizing a square brick doesn't count. You can't change the images. You can't drag and drop anything to the start menu program list. The right click on anything is extremely limited.

Windows 8, as bad as it was, at least allowed a workaround to customize the tiles. Microsoft removed that 6 years ago and hasn't changed it since.