[citation][nom]CaedenV[/nom]Could we get a re-review? I may be an Intel fanboy (admittedly), but I was really surprised at just how bad bulldozed did, it really didn't seem right. I still think the i7 will beat it, but maybe it will outshine the i5 like it should?[/citation]
take a look at the p4 era when they introduced hyperthreading, they had problems than, and amd is just learning of them now, the difference is, applications now take advantage of threads, when back than, they didn't. so amd will have to learn by fire where intel was able to pull threading till it got its crap together.
[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]Why the hell should Microsoft do anything? Intel CPUs work just fine with Windows 7. Windows 7 was out LONG before Bulldozer came to market. Just another blunder for AMD. The fact you say M$ shows you're an AMD Fanboy. I'm sorry AMD lost the CPU battle..deal with it.[/citation]
you know, ground up, windows 7 was built to take advantage of intels threading solution? i thought it was common knowledge.
amd is going with a different solution, where intel made threading work on one core, amd is trying to make more or less a half core... if that makes any sense, and windows has no idea how to deal with it right now, because i think it fills them like they are full fledged cores, and not threads.
this is the reason i keep, and many other, saying that windows 8 will be the proveing ground for bulldozer, and a revision of bulldozer will show if single core can be fixed or not.
that said, i still think we should move away from single core in most aspects and force threading, but winzip and itunes hold onto single core for some... really stupid reason, and benchmarks are lower than they should be because of them.
[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]otacon72, you remind me of game developers that stubbornly refuse to support multicores, insisting that hardware companies should design around software, not the other way around.[/citation]
it depends, if the hardware is a misstep, dont, but if its in the right direction, go for it... bulldozer is in the right direction, but it sufferes from being the first mainstream of its kind, im sure in labs cpus were already built like this at some point.
[citation][nom]pale paladin[/nom]You are all fools if you don't think that at a root level intel helps M$ optimize W7 for their architecture. The way data is passed and what instruction sets are used for different applications is based on what the x86 chip giant tells them it should be. So in turn Intel's own architecture always has the leg up. That isn't to say AMD should not try to be competitive, it only means that when they are innovative they suffer for it. ie: bulldozer. Then again that is the price AMD, VIA, ... pays for licensing someone else's architecture. They will always be two steps behind even if the innovation they strive for might be better overall it won't be properly optimized. I'm sticking with Intel for a while guys & gals.[/citation]
yes and no. its not the instruction sets themselves that are to blame, but its the implementation i beleive, intel has its own compilers that make things better on theirs and im sure amd does too. but to some extent it needs implementation in the software when something as big as what bulldozer is trying to do happens, where its not just a simple compiler to fix it.