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[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Funny... I don't remember typing in key-codes when I installed Snow Leopard... or being reminding to activate Snow leopard within 30 days... or having to call a 1-800 number because my Windows won't activate...[/citation]


Why would they require you to enter keycodes or activate the product if you can only install it on their hardware???
That would be like having to call a keyboard manufacturer each time you upgrade the firmware.

Of course, Apple will also tell you that installing OSX on a non-apple machine is as wrong as killing kittens and that jailbreaking will cause an early end of days. I guess an outraged Steve Jobs is the down side of not having to rely on software activation.

 
If the only thing you see about Windows 7 is that it has pretty wallpaper and slide show then your boss should fire you for not doing your job evaluating the OS. Is it something completely new, no, but it is a hell of a lot better than Vista. Stability, speed, ease of use to name just a few. I have had 5 PC and Laptops using Windows 7 and not only is it more stable and faster than Vista, it also faster in many ways than XP. The only issues I have had with 7 have been based upon software that hasn't been updated to work completely with the 7 kernel.

Apple is fine for what it does. But it is incapable of being an enterprise solution. Why, because if they were to make OSX flexible enough to handle the abundance of enterprise level software (Oracle, SAP, Dynamics 10, Peoplesoft,... and lets not forget the enterprise management software from IBM, Cisco, HP and others.. if they were to make it that flexible and useful, then it would be as vunerable as Windows has been. Lets see a MAC run 50,000 Enterprise (no POP3) email clients. It will not because it cannot replace the Windows as the dominate OS for business desktops. Too many MAC people forget that the world is more than making pretty pictures.

Windows 7 is not the cure to all of Microsoft problems, but it is a step in the right direction. No I will not be moving my enterprise to it the first day, but every new PC that comes through my door after November 1st will be running it.
 
[citation][nom]sstym[/nom]Microsoft still enjoys an 88% market share on OSes. I view the current trend of rising OSX shares as positive on several accounts:1- [/citation]

This is of course ignoring the fact that the market share went up substantially when users had the option of dual-booting it with windows. lol!
 
[citation][nom]gmcboot[/nom] Lets see a MAC run 50,000 Enterprise (no POP3) email clients. It will not because it cannot replace the Windows as the dominate OS for business desktops. Too many MAC people forget that the world is more than making pretty pictures.Windows 7 is not the cure to all of Microsoft problems, but it is a step in the right direction. No I will not be moving my enterprise to it the first day, but every new PC that comes through my door after November 1st will be running it.[/citation]

Windows sucks at enterprise too. It's constantly crashing, virus ridden, and very slow. Linux far outperforms Microsoft in that arena. I wouldn't discount Apple in the server arena either, the iTunes cloud is run by Mac OSX xservs, and I'm sure they get hit with more load than a 50k enterprise.
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Funny... I don't remember typing in key-codes when I installed Snow Leopard... or being reminding to activate Snow leopard within 30 days... or having to call a 1-800 number because my Windows won't activate...[/citation]

Why would you have to you can only install it on a mac. (closed hardware), I bet you do remember to deactivate computers in Itunes though dont you. And tell me what are the exact differences between an imac, macbook pro, and an aluminum macbook?. still intels chips all core 2's also. So no real change there. bet the chipset is basically the same. and what for video cards Nvidia based probably the 9400. If it is so easy then buy me a dongle and install it on a machine with ati graphics, tv tuner, nvidia northbridge, and creative soundcard. oh n an amd processor.
 
[citation][nom]tayb[/nom] Can you jump from 32-bit to 64-bit on the fly with Win7? Don't think so...it is easy enough with Snow Leopard. Besides, the Unix core has it all over the vestiges of DOS.[/citation]

remind me why you'd want to do that?
 
[citation][nom]Funny how many editors are comparing certain components of Win7 to Snow Leopard. Task bar is now very much like the Dock, etc. You can buy a dongle and install Mac OS on a PC...no problem.[/citation]

you do know many of those features have been available in windows for many years with add-ons such Rocketdock and various Stardock applications...

the dongle you speak of has been shown to be a farce...

you talk about people making comments without having used any of them, yet... here you are... doing the very same thing... hypocrisy maybe?
 
[citation][nom]gmcboot[/nom]If the only thing you see about Windows 7 is that it has pretty wallpaper and slide show then your boss should fire you for not doing your job evaluating the OS. Is it something completely new, no, but it is a hell of a lot better than Vista. Stability, speed, ease of use to name just a few. I have had 5 PC and Laptops using Windows 7 and not only is it more stable and faster than Vista, it also faster in many ways than XP....[/citation]Every version of Mac OS X has been faster than the previous version.

Apple is fine for what it does. But it is incapable of being an enterprise solution. Why, because if they were to make OSX flexible enough to handle the abundance of enterprise level software (Oracle, SAP, Dynamics 10, Peoplesoft,... and lets not forget the enterprise management software from IBM, Cisco, HP and others.. if they were to make it that flexible and useful, then it would be as vunerable as Windows has been.
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Unless I'm mistaken, all of those vendors have Unix versions of their software. What's the core of Mac OS X? BSD Unix. Porting the Unix versions any of those applications to Mac OS X shouldn't be a big deal. Putting a Mac-like user interface on them may take some work, but getting the core functionality and performance on a Mac should be relatively easy.
 
[citation][nom]HD Boy[/nom]Some Microsoft fans sure know how to raise the level of civil discourse don't they? Well, maybe not so much.This next release of Windows (v7, the Vista service pack) is still the same, tired old code that Redmondites continue to haul out after trying to copy each version of the latest Mac OS release. PCs were set back years with Windows XP security issues, Vista performance issues and the poor Internet Explorer browsing experience that eschews new Web standards for Microsoft's dying proprietary standards. It remains to be seen whether the upcoming version of Windows (v7) actually will prove to be useful and secure, but Mac users already know this: the basic Windows interface, navigation and computing experience remains a complex mess that cannot be fixed by trying to rewrite old code and copy the Mac OS X look-and-feel.So, why trust your business or personal data to OS software that is demonstratively inferior? Macs are selling well for a reason -- a more modern OS custom designed for specific hardware makes for a superior computing experience. Unlike "amabhy" — we kindly invite or frustrated Windows friends to give the Mac a try. Many Mac users will be there with open arms to help you make the transition.[/citation]


I honestly find your post to be quite humorous! You are entitled to your opinion of course, and whether you are a fan of MS's OS or not is no ones business but your own. However, you are claiming that every Win release is just an attempt to "copy" as you put it, Apples OS releases. I think you are incredibly incorrect in that sense. There could be similarities cited, however, doing so is almost as inane as saying they're copying for having a task bar, or icons on the desktop or a launch bar... that's just sounds dumb! Things advance and become the norm, is every automobile manufacturer that installs airbags in their cars copying Cadillac since they were the first to develop and use airbags? Furthermore, you criticize W7 as being nothing more than a service pack for Vista, when MAC's offerings all seem to be service packs as well no? OS X Cheetah (10.0), Puma (10.1), Jaguar (10.2), Panther (10.3), Tiger (10.4), Leopard (10.5), and Snow Leopard (10.6); all of those happen to be service packs as well, and the last I checked SP1,2,3 etc for XP and Vista were all free, how much did Apple charge you again?. Maybe I'm just crazy but OS9 and OS10 are indeed 2 different OS's are they not? OS 10.0 - 10.6 seem to be the same OS with a few updates, no?

Moving on. Every product by any company will (almost) always be inferior to its successor. 95
 
[citation][nom]sstym[/nom]Microsoft still enjoys an 88% market share on OSes. ome up with elegant solutions should their market shares get actually threatened.[/citation]

But...it is below the 90% market share that it has held onto in the past. Pull the business sector out and you will see a rapid decline in home users who are opting for the Mac OS. The same seems to be going on in the public schools...fact is, MS products costs too much. One important factor is that today's kids prefer the Mac OS over Windows, and they will grow-up to buy Mac's.
 
[citation][nom]MrF430[/nom]... when MAC's offerings all seem to be service packs as well no? OS X Cheetah (10.0), Puma (10.1), Jaguar (10.2), Panther (10.3), Tiger (10.4), Leopard (10.5), and Snow Leopard (10.6); all of those happen to be service packs as well, and the last I checked SP1,2,3 etc for XP and Vista were all free, how much did Apple charge you again?. Maybe I'm just crazy but OS9 and OS10 are indeed 2 different OS's are they not? OS 10.0 - 10.6 seem to be the same OS with a few updates, no?[/citation]No.

Mac OS X has had 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, and 10.6. WinNT and descendants has had NT 3.1, 3.5, & 4.0, Win2k, XP, Vista, and Win7. 7 versions of each.

Mac OS X 10.0 is roughly comparable to NT 3.1, each was the first release of a completely new operating system, both were primarily for developers.

Mac OS X 10.1 (free update) and NT 3.5 were notable improvements, but still largely for developers and technology fans, not mainstream users or production environments.

Mac OS X 10.2 and NT 4 were the first versions well suited to a production environment. These had fairly stable servers and were heavily used by IT pros and power users.

Mac OS X 10.3 and Win2k were the first versions well suited for mainstream users.

Mac OS X 10.4 and WinXP had significant improvements in security, managability, APIs and user interface. These were widely adopted by mainstream users.

Mac OS X 10.5 is much like Vista, lots of new features, updated APIs, and a revamped UI. Both have significantly higher system requirements than their predecessors.

Mac OS X 10.6 (nearly free $29) is roughly equivalent to Win7, mostly tuning the infrastructure and performance, not as many new features or UI updates.

Both have gone through significant changes in user interface, API, infrastructure, and security in the intervening versions. Both moved from 32-bit to 64-bit. Both originally ran on CPU architectures other than what the now reguire (Mac OS X was originally PPC only, NT originally supported x86, Alpha, Sparc, and MIPS), and both supported multiple processor architectures in some versions. Both provided a compatibility layer for older software.

Mac OS X 10.0 came out in March 2001, 10.6 is due in September 2009. NT 3.1 came out in July 1993, Win7 is due in October 2009, so the timeline for Mac OS X is significantly compressed vs Windows, but the evolution and versions have been very similar in capabilities in differences.

 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]You are an idiot...little man.Snow Leopard was one of the easiest installs ever. I put it on three different Mac's and not one problem. From what I have read in the media Win7 will be a beast when you go to upgrade any hardware. MS is more concerned with piracy than with paying consumers. They would do well if the learned from the music industry.If MS has no concerns, then why do they continue to inundate us with those lame "I am a PC" ads?[/citation]

I work retail, we sell Mac's and Snow Leopard upgrades... In the 3 days after the Snow Leopard release 10 different people came in with issues upgrading to Snow Leopard involving it staying at the white screen with the gay pride wheel spinning or it would just stay at a gray screen.

Yup.... real easy install...

Also... Snow Leopard prevented SOOO much software from working.. such as Norton, Stuffit, etc. Everything that Win Vista runs will run on 7!

Can you say... APPLE FAIL!!!???
 
Windows sucks at enterprise too. It's constantly crashing, virus ridden, and very slow. Linux far outperforms Microsoft in that arena. I wouldn't discount Apple in the server arena either, the iTunes cloud is run by Mac OSX xservs, and I'm sure they get hit with more load than a 50k enterprise.
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If Apple is SO fantastic then how come not one Forture 1000 company is using it to support their business infrastructure. If MACs and Apples are so flawless, then the business are wasting Billions of dollars just because they are not as smart as .. you. Why are there no enterprise class application made for Macs. Again.. if they beat Windows on every single point, how come no one at Oracle, SAP, Cisco, IBM, Peoplesoft use Apple as their enterprise foundation. If you consider iTunes an enterprise application, then you tell me all you know about running a real network.
 
[citation][nom]amabhy[/nom]I'm sure Windows 7 will kick Apple ass. The RTM was awesome, and everybody's pumped for this release.Snow Leopard can suck my dick.[/citation]
While you suck Microsoft's dick? Gotta love retarded fanboys who have irrational hatred and fear of competition. It's always good for a laugh.
 
[citation][nom]abhik[/nom]remind me why you'd want to do that?[/citation]

Gee...maybe some apps won't run in 64-bit mode..if not then boot into 32 vs. 64.
 
[citation][nom]cabose369[/nom]I work retail, we sell Mac's and Snow Leopard upgrades... In the 3 days after the Snow Leopard release 10 different people came in with issues upgrading to Snow Leopard involving it staying at the white screen with the gay pride wheel spinning or it would just stay at a gray screen.Yup.... real easy install...Also... Snow Leopard prevented SOOO much software from working.. such as Norton, Stuffit, etc. Everything that Win Vista runs will run on 7!Can you say... APPLE FAIL!!!???[/citation]

Well, there are some limitations as to what computers will run SL...gotta be an Intel CPU. People who blow-up the install usually try and force things, or do not let it do it's thing and then they interupt the process. You will always have the ignorant one's who know nothing about computers/software/OS's, and you can always expect them to generate some errors with the simpilest of tasks. Have you tried to install it? Didn't think so.

You are way off on the "SOOO much" software that will not run. Here is the official list on incompatible software on SL You should brush up on your facts a bit.

Any software issues that were related to the install could be fixed by going into the System Preferences and making a couple of simple deletions. The Win equivalent, though much more difficult, would be to go into the Registry.

You do what in retail?...oh, take out the trash.
 
[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]You do what in retail?...oh, take out the trash.[/citation]

He works with Mac users, as was specifically implied in his post.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot...
 
Sorry for my previous posts, I forgot what site I was on. This is the TomsHardware forum, where anything pro-Apple, pro-Linux, or anti-MS gets rated down.

Damn the facts, just rate me down, let's see if I can hit -20.
 
[citation][nom]geoffs[/nom]Sorry for my previous posts, I forgot what site I was on. This is the TomsHardware forum, where anything pro-Apple, pro-Linux, or anti-MS gets rated down. Damn the facts, just rate me down, let's see if I can hit -20.[/citation]
+1.

Er. -1 that is.

COME ON PEOPLE HELP ME TAKE HIM DOWN!!!!!!!!

This argument was won by windows before it even started. Apple is no threat to windows, if anything is it would be linux. Microsoft is at the point where it is almost impossible to beat, they hold all the cards and while they may screw up sometimes they usually get it done right.

When will you fanbois learn? Just because you paid a extra $200 for your computer (EXCUSE ME I MEANT MAC!!!) and got a gay pride mouse icon doesn't make your computer better. Nor does it make your computer able to play games and successfully run with 95% of other computers.

 
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