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[edogawa]

....I am making more than one point in my comments, I guess that was to hard to grasp

Oh really? Your entire "ease of use" argument is build upon the same premise. You have provided no substantiated evidence in your claim that Linus is more difficult to learn than Windows. Your use of anecdotal evidence seems to rely on nothing but personal use and preconceived notions of what other individuals want based on projections of your own wants and needs.

Nevertheless, your above use of the personal incredulity is a clear attempt to shift the burden of proof of your argument since you can't actually formulate a real rebuttal. Good day, Sir.

(Face Palm)
Are you kidding me? While I am not giving you a detailed report on ease of use, I've already given a few quick examples in my several other posts why Windows is easier for the consumer than Linux.

Anyone here should understand my various points(opinion) on how the common person is incapable of using Linux well if they cannot handle basic functions of Windows or the fact the Windows is so much better with software a compatibility making Windows a better option.

All you've said is my opinion relies on personal experience and use...
What the hell do you think it is? Obviously it is personal experience and use...

Shifting the burden of proof and formulating a rebuttal? I've basically said the exact same thing in all my posts multiple times, but slightly expanding on it.

Instead of spouting nonsense to make yourself sound smart, how about add the the actual argument if you believe Linux is truly easier to use than Windows at this point in time and how compatibility isn't an issue.

 

[JD88]

Are you kidding me? While I am not giving you a detailed report on ease of use, I've already given a few quick examples in my several other posts why Windows is easier for the consumer than Linux.

Anyone here should understand my various points(opinion) on how the common person is incapable of using Linux well if they cannot handle basic functions Windows or the fact the Windows is so much better with software a compatibility making Windows a better option.

All you've said is my opinion relies on personal experience and use...
What the hell do you think it is? Obviously it is personal experience and use...

Shifting the burden of proof and formulating a rebuttal? I've basically said the exact same thing in all my posts multiple times, but slightly expanding on it.

Instead of spouting nonsense to make yourself sound smart, how about add the the actual argument if you believe Linux is truly easier to use than Windows at this point in time and how compatibility isn't an issue.

I don't think you have given any specific examples where Linux is any more difficult to learn than any version of Windows.

The average user doesn't need anything other than Chrome, a media player app, a chat app (Skype and most others work on Linux), and an office suite. All of those are available free on Linux.

Even for advanced users, there are viable replacements. I use Gimp instead of Photoshop and it's fine for my needs. There are also some very nice free video editors with functionality that mirrors those of proprietary software costing hundreds of dollars. All of Google's Android development tools are made for Linux.

Getting the drivers is as simple as selecting the one you need from a list. There is no reason to use the command line at all for most basic activities. I actually installed Ubuntu on my 63 year old father's new laptop. He is a very inexperienced user with no technical knowledge and he likes it better than his old Win 7 machine. I used to have to remote desktop him weekly to take care of some "popup" or to help him find something. I've had to do so once since I installed Ubuntu about a year ago.

No antivirus to worry about, updates are one click for everything on the machine, and the unity dash is way simpler to use than the Win 8 start screen.

The old argument of Linux being only for advanced users is now obsolete.

 

[edogawa]

Are you kidding me? While I am not giving you a detailed report on ease of use, I've already given a few quick examples in my several other posts why Windows is easier for the consumer than Linux.

Anyone here should understand my various points(opinion) on how the common person is incapable of using Linux well if they cannot handle basic functions Windows or the fact the Windows is so much better with software a compatibility making Windows a better option.

All you've said is my opinion relies on personal experience and use...
What the hell do you think it is? Obviously it is personal experience and use...

Shifting the burden of proof and formulating a rebuttal? I've basically said the exact same thing in all my posts multiple times, but slightly expanding on it.

Instead of spouting nonsense to make yourself sound smart, how about add the the actual argument if you believe Linux is truly easier to use than Windows at this point in time and how compatibility isn't an issue.

I don't think you have given any specific examples where Linux is any more difficult to learn than any version of Windows.

The average user doesn't need anything other than Chrome, a media player app, a chat app (Skype and most others work on Linux), and an office suite. All of those are available free on Linux.

Even for advanced users, there are viable replacements. I use Gimp instead of Photoshop and it's fine for my needs. There are also some very nice free video editors with functionality that mirrors those of proprietary software costing hundreds of dollars. All of Google's Android development tools are made for Linux.

Getting the drivers is as simple as selecting the one you need from a list. There is no reason to use the command line at all for most basic activities. I actually installed Ubuntu on my 63 year old father's new laptop. He is a very inexperienced user with no technical knowledge and he likes it better than his old Win 7 machine. I used to have to remote desktop him weekly to take care of some "popup" or to help him find something. I've had to do so once since I installed Ubuntu about a year ago.

No antivirus to worry about, updates are one click for everything on the machine, and the unity dash is way simpler to use than the Win 8 start screen.

The old argument of Linux being only for advanced users is now obsolete.

I agree it's not as bad as it used to be, it's much better, but still I see a lot of people who want to do certain things that require programs for their work or personal life that are not available on Linux, and are typically not very good if they are on it(I have to use my Ceton TV Tuner on Windows and not a Linux Server).

Video editors, VHS to DVD programs, office, art programs, software programs that they have to use for their work, games, video software, the list goes on for things people like to use.

A lot of these people tend to not know about good alternatives sadly, GIMP like you said, that are more than adequate for them. Someone like me needs Photoshop or special encoding tools, but the guy who wants to just do a quick edit or encode does not.

-Saw a guy who wanted to get Photoshop so he could crop photos and do small hue/colour changes among a few other photo tweaks. -.-

Problem I see still too is most of these tasks you said are quicker and easily done on smart phones these days shifting people away from the desktop. So the future is uncertain.

I just wonder what the future for the desktop is with Smartphones and tablets becoming so prevalent doing all these basic functions.

 

[slomo4sho]

I've basically said the exact same thing in all my posts multiple times, but slightly expanding on it.

Isn't that what I just said? Every one of your posts attempt to appeal to tradition and utilize circular reasoning.

Instead of spouting nonsense to make yourself sound smart, how about add the the actual argument if you believe Linux is truly easier to use than Windows at this point in time and how compatibility isn't an issue.

Oh the irony... You are the only one that has made the argument that one is more difficult than the other. I never said Linux is easier than Windows. I said that your claim that Windows is easier than Linux is opinion based on anecdotal evidence. Reading comprehension goes a long way...

I don't think you have given any specific examples where Linux is any more difficult to learn than any version of Windows.

The old argument of Linux being only for advanced users is now obsolete.

Admitting to this would mean that his argument is nothing more than opinion! I am sure he would rather continue with the personal attacks instead of actually disusing the merits of the argument itself.

 

[edogawa]

Really, you started to attack me because I didn't have evidence up to your standards, and for stating my obvious OPINION.

You are over thinking this whole thing, I just stated my opinions and wanted to discuss it with others.

If you are not here to discuss which one is easier than the other or better for the common person, then why are you wasting your time complaining about me posting my opinion based on experience instead of an opinion based on factual evidence?

Instead of complaining about my opinion that weren't backed up with credible sources up to your standards why don't you go do something productive or add to the discussion like "JD88" did.

Stop playing with words to try and prove a useless point. If don't like my opinions based on "anecdotal"evidence go complain to the people on every article related to Apple who keep saying that Apple products like the iPhone are "crap" without providing evidence.

 

[slomo4sho]

Really, you started to attack me because I didn't have evidence up to your standards, and for stating my obvious OPINION.

I am not sure what to say if you think the following is a personal attack with malicious intent:

You keep saying "common person" and then go into discussing issues with the lack of specialty software... Do you have any grasp on the needs of the "common person"? Because if you did you wouldn't keep bringing up the same moot point about productivity software and gaming. Maybe its time you stop projecting your own needs and wants...

You interjected a tangential conversation when I brought up price of other OSs in this discussion about the price of Windows 8.1.

I agree that there are merits to each of the OSs that are currently available and that each do have their distinct disadvantages. These benefits and disadvantages differ based on the user since each user has a different understanding of technology and different needs. Concepts like "ease of use" are very abstract and open to opinion and add nothing to the conversation. You do have a point about the limited availability of software for Linux and this is directly related to the current popularity of the OS. Much like the more developed iOS having a greater number of apps than Andriod or Windows on phones, Linux has a smaller user pool and, as such, the ROI on software development may not be as enticing as Windows or OS X. If there is enough market demand, there will be programmers to exploit the demands by developing the desired software. It is simple economics

 

[edogawa]

Really, you started to attack me because I didn't have evidence up to your standards, and for stating my obvious OPINION.

I am not sure what to say if you think the following is a personal attack with malicious intent:

You keep saying "common person" and then go into discussing issues with the lack of specialty software... Do you have any grasp on the needs of the "common person"? Because if you did you wouldn't keep bringing up the same moot point about productivity software and gaming. Maybe its time you stop projecting your own needs and wants...

You interjected a tangential conversation when I brought up price of other OSs in this discussion about the price of Windows 8.1.

I agree that there are merits to each of the OSs that are currently available and that each do have their distinct disadvantages. These benefits and disadvantages differ based on the user since each user has a different understanding of technology and different needs. Concepts like "ease of use" are very abstract and open to opinion and add nothing to the conversation. You do have a point about the limited availability of software for Linux and this is directly related to the current popularity of the OS. Much like the more developed iOS having a greater number of apps than Andriod or Windows on phones, Linux has a smaller user pool and, as such, the ROI on software development may not be as enticing as Windows or OS X. If there is enough market demand, there will be programmers to exploit the demands by developing the desired software. It is simple economics

I agree that ease of use was a bit to vague, but I kind of expected people here to understand what I meant.

I agree too that it's economics that as the user base grows so will software development. Right now, if we can move gaming at least over to Linux as a starting point(huge base) software development will grow quite a bit.

As much as I do like Linux, I think Windows is still really solid, people don't give Windows the credit it deserves, it has done a great job all these years.

There is also a huge flaw in Linux becoming a favorable operating systems to consumers, marketing. A huge chunk of the consumer base has virtually no idea what Linux is or what distribution to choose.

If a company like Valve released their own distribution and marketed it for gamers well they would grow the Linux base and it being free would be huge plus for gamers wanting to cheapen their next PC build.

Spending that extra 100 dollars on better hardware instead of an OS would be big for gamers for example, and also making the support via the community better(plus PC gamers do more than gaming so it would spread out). So it's rather exciting to think about.

 

[BorgOvermind]

So they decided not to call it windows 9.
They call '7' 7 when it was actually a fixed Vista (7 was ver 6.1 while vista was 6.0).

And let's remember the two reasons people switched from XP: Lack of DX support and the manufacturer deals that packed up Vista and later 7 with the new stuff.

Since 7 has everything one may need, 8 is just a useless prolongation of ...something.

 

[stevejnb]

So they decided not to call it windows 9.
They call '7' 7 when it was actually a fixed Vista (7 was ver 6.1 while vista was 6.0).

And let's remember the two reasons people switched from XP: Lack of DX support and the manufacturer deals that packed up Vista and later 7 with the new stuff.

Since 7 has everything one may need, 8 is just a useless prolongation of ...something.

Meh, if that's how you want to look at it. Ever try using Windows 7 on a tablet format? It ain't pretty... Whereas Windows 8 does everything 7 does on the desktop/laptop while performing very well on touchscreen devices - and presumably motion controlled devices in the future - as well. That functionality isn't necessary for a lot of people, and as such there really isn't a need to upgrade for a lot of non-touchscreen WIndows 7 users, but to pretend like you're just a bit too dense to see why the OS exists and what it is *far* better than Windows 7 at is a bit disingenuous. Unless you really are that dense?...

If you don't like Windows 8, stick with Windows 7. No-one is holding a gun to your head I presume. Windows 8 is great at what it was meant for and it'll work just fine on your desktop too, but you really don't have to use it if you don't like it.

 

[MarioJP]

$199.99 for 8.1 Pro... $19.99 for Apple OS X 10.6... Ubuntu 13.04 is absolutely free... It is funny how the price of the software is inversely proportional to its quality...

Let's see here.. I just wiped Ubuntu 13.04 off my laptop as it poorly optimized and its doing funny things to the way laptop operates and among other things that i dislike Linux in general. Can't install Mac OSX on my laptop because its not a MAC so that's moot. So yes I am definitely putting windows back on and calling it a day. It just feels tightly optimized and the fan operates like it should. Idles when not heavy usage is involved and speed up when the CPU is at max. Not like Linux where the fan randomly speeds up and gets stuck regardless of the CPU usage. Or worst. Does not speed up and my laptop gets very hot. So yes this so called statement of ""It is funny how the price of the software is inversely proportional to its quality... "" Is worth paying for.

Good day to you sir.

 

[68vistacruiser]

I guess I can't comment on whether Windows is actually better or worse that OSX or Linux since I haven't tried those two, but I can tell you this... I don't have a single reason in the world to use either of those two, and millions of reasons to use Windows.